Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@Mr.Popat

that’s quite a lot that you wrote there, Ibn Sadique. Thanks for your time. I thought i will just stop at that point.. but you raised some points worth my response. I will write tomorrow inshAllah. Hope you read my reply with clear mind.

Popat Yes I did write a lot but now have out done me. So that you know that I read you post with clear mind I am going to respond to all that you wrote. I was really stretched for time but then I did it. It was an effort.

@Mr.Popat

You are not rejecting ahmadiyyat. I dont know who had put this in your head. I’m talking in accordance to Quran and ahadith. You are forcing yourself to keep Isa a.s alive so to always have a thing against jamaat. Accept what the Quran and ahadith is pointing to…not to have anything against jamaat..but to have salvation in hereafter. I dont care what Muslims belief is regarding Isa a.s. I’m telling you what Quran and ahadith is point to. You either accept the word of Allah and his messenger or you accept your scholars on no solid grounds.

Popat – You sound confused.

Allow me to repeat myself for the umpteenth time:

@Ibn_Sadique

First of all Quran explains itself
Secondly we use the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw) to understand the Quran
Thirdly we use the Ijma As-Sahabah (How Sahabah (raa) understood the Quran as taught to them by the Prophet (saw).
Fourthly, Qiyas and Ijtihad .

You have to understand the Quran by the criteria given above. That is the accepted ‘formula’ among the Muslims. Outside this criterion is sheer speculation and guess work.

The Qur’an makes it abundantly clear that the function of the Messenger is not merely that of a deliveryman who simply delivers the revelation from Allah (swt) to us. Rather, he has been entrusted with the most important task of explaining and illustrating the same. This is a point mentioned in a number of verses in the Qur’an:

*[And We have revealed unto thee the Remembrance that you mayst explain to mankind that which hath been revealed for them, and that haply they may reflect.] (16:44)

[And We have revealed the Scripture unto thee only that thou mayst explain unto them that wherein they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.] (An-Nahl 16:64)*

Therefore, Hadith explains, clarifies, and removes ambiguities about the Qur’an. Hence, once we reject the Hadith, we may never be able to figure out the whole meaning of the Qur’an.

I don’t want to understand any other way than the above criterion.

The Quran encourages Muslims to ponder and reflect over the ayahs of the Quran; that does not mean we use limited human rationality (Compared with Wisdom of Allah (swt)) and pseudo-intellectualism to understand and explain the Qurannic ayahs.

If we did that, results will be disastrous – Like Hz. Adam was born in Mesopotamia; Mr. Iblis was a man and a trouble maker.

The problem lies here:

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad states:

“The basis for our claims is not Hadith but Quran and that Wahi which comes to me. Yes, in support we also present those Hadith which are according to Quran and DO NOT CONTRADICT MY WAHI. Rest of the Hadith, I THROW THEM AWAY LIKE A WASTE PAPER.” (Roohani Khazain vol.19 p.140)
His main Criteria is that AHADITH SHOULD NOT CONTRADICT HIS WAHI!!!

So his Wahi takes precedence over the sayings of the Blessed Messenger of Allah (saw)!!!

You (Ahmadis) interpret Quran, ahadith and Sunnah in the light of “WAHI” received by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad; We Muslims stick to what Prophet Muhammad (saw) had stated, anything beyond that is false to us - therein in lies the problem between us.

So I reject Ahmadiyyat and accept Islam as conveyed by Prophet Muhammad (saw) for my Salvation.

@Ibn_Sadique

Understandably, Ahmadiyah need Hz. Isa (as) to be dead; then only someone else can ‘come’ in for him – That’s the main game plan. Dead Hz. Isa (as) serves Ahmadiyah philosophy to be legitimate.

Let me repeat myself yet again

@Ibn_Sadique

All of the time you are interpreting the verses to meet your sect’s needs even though it doesn’t meet the following the following criteria

1. Interpretation should not clash with other verses of the Quran. The Quran indicates very clearly that it does its own explanation (tafsir) which is very clear and easy to understand. As the few ayahs clearly indicate.

*“And We have revealed the Book to you which has clear explanation of everything, and a guidance, mercy and good news for those who submit.” (Qur’an 16:89)

“Shall I then seek a Judge other than Allah? When it is He Who has revealed to you the Book fully detailed?” (Qur’an 6:114)

“The words of your Lord are complete in its truth and justice. Nothing can change His words – He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing. If you obeyed most of those on earth, they would lead you away from the path of Allah. They follow nothing but speculation – they are merely guessing.” (Qur’an 6:115-116)

We have explained (things) in various (ways) in the Qur’an, in order that they may receive admonition, but it only increases their flight from the truth. (17:41)

And We have explained to mankind, in this Qur’an, every kind of similitude, yet the greater part of mankind refuse (to receive it) except with ingratitude …](17:89)

And verily We have coined for mankind in this Qur’an all kinds of similitude, that perhaps they might reflect …](39:27)

We have explained in detail in this Qur’an, for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude, but man is in most things contentious. (18:54)

2. Secondly one should understand the Quran as the Prophet (saw) explained it. (No pseudo-intellectual speculations or misinterpreting the verses allowed)*

The Qur’an makes it abundantly clear that the function of the Messenger is not merely that of a deliveryman who simply delivers the revelation from Allah to us. Rather, he has been entrusted with the most important task of explaining and illustrating the same. This is a point mentioned in a number of verses in the Qur’an:

*[And We have revealed unto thee the Remembrance that thou may explain to mankind that which had been revealed for them, and that haply they may reflect.] (An-Nahl 16:44)

[And We have revealed the Scripture unto thee only that thou may explain unto them that wherein they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.] (An-Nahl 16:64)*

Therefore, Hadith explains, clarifies, and removes ambiguities about the Qur’an. Hence, once we reject the Hadith, we may never be able to figure out the whole meaning of the Qur’an.

3. Thirdly we use the Ijma As-Sahabah to understand any verse.

The onus is on you to prove that Ijimah As-Sahabah is in your favour – You will never find even an iota in your favour.

4. Fourthly, Qiyas and Ijtihad: Here nothing is in favour for your beliefs.

Misinterpretation of Quranic ayahs, twisting the ahadith, attributing incorrect narrations to the Companions (may Allah be pleased with them all) and using pseudo rationality and bogus logic doesn’t work in Islam.

Islam is faith of purity and righteousness; so it cannot be polluted with falsehood.