Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@Mr.Popat

You said it is relating to 4 individuals but fail to show me a single instance in which human being had lived outside of the Earth, ofcourse without any proper measures. It is naive to think that Adam and 3 other individual (according to you) were the only ones told to live on Earth. Rest of them are free to be living anywhere else.. this was not proved by you. Humans do tend to live ON Earth.. anywhere outside, they DIE!.. why should I not use that verse to mean every humanbeing then ? It is easy to say that the verse contains exceptions.. i asked you to make exceptions in the verse and tell me what you can come up with. Yet you did not take this question seriously either. Just saying it has exception is not good enough :). None of the verse you provided which disproves my understanding of the verse.
Wrong. People cannot live in heaven. You telling me that if Adam lived, so can anyone else is false idea to begin with. You need to first see if the verse if only limited to 4 individual or for everyone. If it is for 4 only, then we should be able to live outside the Earth. The verse was said after Adam came to Earth. So, no, doesnt make sense.

Popat – You present yourself as a rationalist modernist, but that is all a facade. You claim that you follow the Quran, Hadith and Ijmah Sahabah but that is all lip-service.

I did a search and now I understand your difficulties and the reasons you are stubbornly and doggedly going in circles – you are constrained by philosophy of Ahmadiyat – No wonder whatever is explained to you by using the language of the Quran and authentic ahadith you doggedly stick to your line completely ignoring the Quran and ahadith.

And yet keep claiming that you are following the Quran and ahadith!!!

I wanted to know what ticked you so did some research on the Net and wanted to see how Ahmadis translated the Quran verses and explained them – The results as follows:

I have taken translation of ayahs 7:24 and 7:25 – (By Ahmadi reckoning 7:25 and 7:26 respectively.)

25. God said, “go forth, some of you will be enemies of others. And for you there is an abode on the earth and a provision for a time” – Note 961
26. He said therein you shall live and therein you shall die and therefrom shall you be brought forth. – Note 962

Translation and Notes can be viewed at the following link:

The Holy Quran

Notes:

961 The verse shows that Adam was commanded to emigrate from the land of his birth because enmity and hatred had sprung up between different members of his community. This constitutes further evidence of the fact that the “garden” which Adam was commanded to leave was not Paradise. It appears that Adam emigrated from Mesopotamia, the land of his birth, to a neighbouring land. The emigration was perhaps a temporary one and he may have returned to his native land not long after. Indeed the words, provision for a time, contained a veiled hint at them emigration being a temporary one. Adam is warned in this verse to be careful in the future. For it was in his native land he was to live forever.

Above is all pure speculation, nothing definite. Usage of following words/phrases “This constitutes further evidence” “It appears” “was perhaps” “contained a veiled hint” shows pure speculation – nothing backed by ahadith.

962. Taken in general sense the verse hints that no human being can ascend to the Heavens in his physical; body. Man must live on earth and die.

“general sense the verse hints” It just hints nothing definite.

Popat Do you really believe the following, if so, can you give reference from Quran or ahadith?

It appears that Adam emigrated from Mesopotamia, the land of his birth, to a neighbouring land.

Brother pysah Very interesting notes: read the following Notes 957 957A 958 959 960

The Holy Quran

**Popat **

962. Taken in general sense the verse hints that no human being can ascend to the Heavens in his physical; body. Man must live on earth and die.

See the Ahmadi Tafseer states that “General sense the verse hints that no human being can ascend to the Heavens in his physical”

Yes, that is in general sense - but what we have been talking about is not in general sense but in exceptional circumstances when Divine Will is involved -Miracles of Allah - general sense goes out when Divine Will takes over - And Nothing is impossible for Allah (swt)! All He has to say is “BE” and it is DONE. You cannot put limitations on ABILITY of Allah to suit your arguments.

What He wishes - It is DONE.

As for what Hz. Isa Ibn Maryam (as) eats - That you leave it Allah (as) Allah is the Razzaq and He will and is taking care of Isa Ibn Maryam (as) - All that is in Allah’s Domain - you don’t need to worry about that.