Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@Mr.Popat

I do not want to take every single hadith, explain it to you, and then in the end you tell me wait a minute!, Jesus is not dead. Then we come back to the same topic. So how about we first sort this issue first. Then only do we need ahadith to expand our understanding of who is it that we really should be waiting for.

I will show you what the Quran says – I have no opinion other than what the Quran states : - Jesus is not dead

@Mr.Popat

No. Not going against Quran. Look my friend.. ill give you a very simple example. We all know based on our experience and based on the history of humankind that we smell from our nose, eat from our mouth, hear from our ears, see from our eyes. Now, if someone was to tell you that there is this person who is some part of africa or in south pole or where ever, where this man eats from eyes, see from mouth, hear from nose and smell from ears.. then whoever claims that must prove it by making a video of him, or do whatever means to make people believe. The burden of proof lies on the person who claims such a person exist. Not on the one who have always been believing how a human being is like.

The above is irrelevant – if the above was really true and was shown and proved to true then it would be classed as a miracle as it was against the norm.

Clearly everyone can see that you haven’t given a definition of a miracle – even though I had challenged you to give a definition of Miracle.

Below I have got it from the Net – the definition to be quite precise would you agree?

*Miracle in the Qur’an can be defined as a supernatural intervention in the life of human beings. According to this definition, miracles are present “in a threefold sense: in sacred history, in connection with the Islamic prophet Muhammad himself and in relation to revelation.” The Qur’an does not use the technical Arabic word for miracle (Muʿd̲j̲iza) literally meaning “that by means of which confounds, overwhelms, his opponents”. It rather uses the term Ayah (literally meaning sign). The term Ayah is used in the Qur’an in the above mentioned threefold sense: it refers to the “verses” of the Qur’an (believed to be the divine speech in human language; presented by Muhammad as his chief miracle); as well as to miracles of it and the signs( particularly those of creation).
In order to defend the possibility of miracles and God’s omnipotence against the encroachment of the independent secondary causes, medieval Muslim theologians rejected the idea of cause and effect in essence, but accepted it as something that facilitates humankind’s investigation and comprehension of natural processes. They argued that the nature was composed of uniform atoms that were “re-created” at every instant by God. Thus if the soil was to fall, God would have to create and re-create the accident of heaviness for as long as the soil was to fall. For Muslim theologians, the laws of nature were only the customary sequence of apparent causes: customs of God.
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Islamic view of miracles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What Is a Miracle? - Koran

*What Is a Miracle?

Some Muslims search for a scientific explanation for miracles, but scholars argue that the laws of nature are Allah’s creation, and He has the ability to break them as He pleases to create miracles. This means that the laws only appear fixed to us, but can be changed by Allah’s command as He requires.
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@Mr.Popat

Whatever Quran told us as miracles are miracles. Allah says that you will not see any changes in His sunnah. What Allah said that he will NOT do it, trust him in that. He will NOT. Question is not how I define miracle. Question is if Allah had granted such a miracle to anyone early, and more importantly, if Allah even approves of it? His laws as ive said it earlier are absolute. We define miracles exactly how any other muslim define it as. That is not the question. Miracles do happen. But 1) There are verses in Quran indicating Jesus death. 2) Allah did not let any messenger go to heaven physically alive. 3) Allah says ‘therein shall you live’.
You forget all this and emphasis on ‘miracle’. When did i deny miracles? What im denying is the fact that this ‘miracle’ will not happen because Allah disapproves of it in Qur’an. If such a thing does happen, then nauzubillah Quran have wrong verses in it. Nauzubillah.

So a miracle takes place when Allah (swt) breaks what is norm. Allah is bound by no laws and no law binds Him He is free of everything – Allah can do what his likes. By saying that Allah’s laws are absolute, you are binding Allah to them yet He free of them!!!

“Verily, His Command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is!”[Yaa-Seen 36:82]

Allah (swt) makes the Miracles to show His Power is Omnipotent and that He is NOT bound by any laws.

Allow me to give you some examples.

Humans procreate when the male and female ‘meet’.

Creation of Hz. Adam (as) without parents was a miracle!
Creation of Hz. Hawwa (ra) from Hz. Adam (as)was a miracle!
Creation of Hz. Isa (as) without father was a miracle!

These won’t be repeated again.

Do you think any woman who is pregnant can claim that is pregnant yet a virgin?

Example 2

How can ye reject the faith in God?- seeing that ye were without life, and He gave you life; then will He cause you to die, and will again bring you to life; and again to Him will ye return. (The Noble Quran, 2:28)"

The above ayah means:

1. Allah (swt) gives life
2. Everyone born will taste death once
3. Allah (swt) will give life again

You agree that above is Allah’s rule/law?

Now what about those who Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (as) brought to life – once they had died – with Allah’s Will.

These people:

1. Were alive
2. Then they died
3. Brought to life – by Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (as) – with Allah’s Will.
4. Then died again when Allah Willed
5. Allah will give them life again.

This is against the norm. Thus Miracle

Example 3

Allah (swt) has willed the water to flow to the lower level

But for Hz. Musa (as) the sea parted making a valley in the water with ‘cliffs’ of ‘standing’ water either side!

This is against the norm of water’s behavior. Thus Miracle

Example 4

Ayahs below show that Allah (swt) has set laws for the planetary system.

Indeed, Allah holds the heavens and the earth, lest they deviate from their orbits. And if they should ever deviate from their orbits, no one could hold them [in place] after Him. Indeed, He is forbearing and forgiving. (35:41)

( It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon.They swim along, each in an orbit.) ( Quran - Surat al-Anbiya, 33)

Splitting the Moon

The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder. [54:1]

But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, “This is (but) transient magic.” [54:2]

Allah (swt) split the moon to challenge the Quraish of Makkah thus defying the gravitational forces at works to keep the Earth, Moon and other planetary objects in place.

This is against the norm. Thus a Miracle