the shameful death of mirza ghulam ahmed is a good proof on the flase claims he made....
besides the guy is well known to be a fraud and a British slave....
he worked only for the cause of the British government....
Degas
As much I know from the Jamaat,we never saw the books of Hz Masih Maood :as: compare to Holy Quran, our belief is all books of him(as) are ONLY from the teaching of Holy Quran.
I still dont have answer about the addition in Holy Quran by Hz Masih Maood :as:.
We respect Hz Isa(as) deep in our heart, but we dont believe that he still alive, cuz if some1 should be alive then only our master and nabiyon ka serdar AnHz Mohammad(saw), ONLY he deserve such a status, cuz he has a big responsibility!!
armughal
If u have real facts about us, then deal like a man, dont paste LIES which have no ground, but if u like to lie, then plz lie like this, no1 can catch it 
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Really? So even one who chanes one dot of Holy Quran is out of Islam?
Then why did Mirza sahib take a surah out of Quran and make additions in it?
There was an old discussion somewhere, I’ll see if I can find it.
Here is an example of an addition:
quote from a booklet called “Final rejoinder to Mirza Tahir” written by Muhammad Yusuf Ludhianvi:
"A Qadinai must mould Quran and Hadith to his own will and wish. In your Qadiani Quran, new “aya” were added by the arch-liar, Mirza Qadiani e.g.
ienna anzalnahoe kareeba mmienal qadiaan.
Tazkirah p. 74
Mirza’s another flabbergasting addition in the Holy Quran was
shaatan tazabihan
to precede and rhyme with
fabie ayyi allaa ie rabbie koema takaziebaan
in Surah “Ar Rahmaan” .
What a rustic homily from Mirza to confuse and averawe his followers! This ambigious addition (meaning two goats will be slaughtered) with the Quranic Ayat gives the impresssion as if this too is an aya of Surah Ar Rahmaan which is tantamount to ridiculing the Holy Quran."
If anybody would write a book and take a surah in it from Quran, and add even a word to it, would that be permissible? What right would anybody have to that?
If anybody believes in different interpretations, ok, understandable. We’re all humans and have our different views. But running after someone like Mirza Sahib who made additions in Allah’s word!
Why allah gave him so much chance?
The answer is simple. Allah gives more time to the kafirs and allah says in koran i think he loosens up his grip on the kafirs and let them do whatever they want.
And at some point some where, allah punishes them so hard that they become a lesson to the whole world
Isn't that true The son of Elijah Muhammad the founder of Nation of islam, absolutely rejected his father as a prophet and embraced the real islam?
I guess such examples are enought to prove that allah do turn them in to a lesson at some point in their life time for the whole world.
This also can be learned the way Abu bakar crushed all the false prophets who appear after the departure of our beloved prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
To Sadya:
This allegation you repeated above was already answered in one of the other discussions but instead of answering that you again repeated the same one over here. Why don't you go that original thread and answer it over there instead of repeating the same rhetoric.
Ahmadi believe that there couldn't be any addition in the Holy Quran. Allah has himself made a promise that he would save it from any additions or deletions.
Hazrat Mirza Ghulam never changed anything in the Quran. Please go to Ahmadis website www.alislam.org and read the Quran presented over there and the come back with the verses changed by the Promised Messiah.
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To Sadya:
This allegation you repeated above was already answered in one of the other discussions but instead of answering that you again repeated the same one over here. Why don't you go that original thread and answer it over there instead of repeating the same rhetoric.
Ahmadi believe that there couldn't be any addition in the Holy Quran.
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No sir, this was never answered before. Wether or not there can be found any Quran today with changes in it, the fact remains that in his own writings, Mirza Sahib took this Surah out of Quran, and made an addition in it. So to you it would be acceptable that someone would write a book, and then put in it a Surah taken from the Quran, and add something in it? So it's permissible in your own book, but not in Quran itself? That means I could write a book tomorrow, and take a Surah out of Quran, put it in my book and make an addition in it? That would not be a sin????
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when mirza claimed to be god, he atleast thought he had the right to change god's words....
(yes, he did claim on more than one occasion that God has entered him)
OK, if it wasnt answerd, then I will try my lil part on it to answer.
about this “ienna anzalnahoe kareeba mmienal qadiaan.”
I dont know how Ludhyanwi Sahib and many other Mullahs come to the point that thru this statement Hz Masih Maood :as: make an addition in Holy Quran.
This was a VISION(Kashaf) to Hz Masih Maood :as:, he never claim that this vers is in the Holy Quran, but he claimed he SAW A VISION about this.!
Visions are reallity, so u cant say this is now a addition, as Br. Fateh said, go to our website and see it, better search for the word qadian and you will see if we have our own Holy Quran ot not!
armughal
I thought u read the books of Mirza Sahib :as: too, but what I see, you only read Mullahs rubbish, which no1 needs.
If according to u Hazrat Mirza Sahib :as: claim to be a God, I wonder what about when Allah(swt) said to AnHz Mohammad :saw: when he :saw: faught against Kufar, that this wasnt him, it was ALlah(swt) who faught against Kufar!!!
ok, but what about Surah Ar Rahman? You said yourself even changing one dot is not permissible, but in his own writings Mirza sahib took this Surah and added this line.
i will check this and write about this.
but i need the ref, where u got this addition, i mean in which book he wrote this!!
To all those who are saying Hazret sahib added ayyets in holy quran. For them i have a question..
Give me the refrence not from MULLAHS book or the people who are against us but from the writings of Hazret Mirza sahib (as).
the books are listed there and www.alislam.org the Quran is there by our Muslim community. So before going around spreading hatred. Read them. Quran speaks of ainul yaqeen and yaqool yaqeen. So hearing something is different then reading the originality.
In going through the above mentioned website of ahmadis I noticed again that to me it just reveals a reformer deeds and nothing to revolusionalize the need of another messenger from God.. I have noticed that it shows everywhere Mirza had so much love for Islam then:
- He was not even Hafiz from what I read?
- He didnt performed Hajj? Even poor people at that time took great pains to reach Mecca..
no ahmadi to answer that simple question? I just did what he sais toi go to his website.. I may be mistaken but did he performed hajj or was he hafiz quran?
Degas, Hafiz???? Did Prophet Mohammad know how to read or write?
If you are looking for silly points, there're plenty.
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Degas, Hafiz???? Did Prophet Mohammad know how to read or write?
If you are looking for silly points, there're plenty.
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Just yes no would suffice but u r trying to compare .Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) with Mirza?
But Mirza is so called a scholar with so many books written by him.. how could he debate his points without well versed in Quran as Ahmad Deedat did so magnificiently... and what about Hajj? a basic faith element! Prophet Myuhammad performed several Hajjs.. Or Mirza claiming such a close champion of Islam could go to Mecca and Medina as millions of humble muslims do.. I know a lot of poor people sacrificed so much at that time and even went to Hajj on foot...
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no ahmadi to answer that simple question? I just did what he sais toi go to his website.. I may be mistaken but did he performed hajj or was he hafiz quran?
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It seems these are the only criterias to be pious. You can find many Hafiz Quran and many who performed Haj among muslims, yet they still find themselves enslaved in the lust of evil deeds.
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Just yes no would suffice but u r trying to compare .Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) with Mirza?
But Mirza is so called a scholar with so many books written by him.. how could he debate his points without well versed in Quran as Ahmad Deedat did so magnificiently... and what about Hajj? a basic faith element! Prophet Myuhammad performed several Hajjs.. Or Mirza claiming such a close champion of Islam could go to Mecca and Medina as millions of humble muslims do.. I know a lot of poor people sacrificed so much at that time and even went to Hajj on foot...
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Mr.
Haj was banned on him by Saudi govt. And its a duty upon every person to abide by the law.
Hazur (SAW) at the time of 'sulah hudebia' also came back without performing haj when they were denied access to Mecca. At that time it was revealed on him that don't perform haj. Same rule applies here...
First thing…Allah and his Prophet :saw: didn’t want him to step on the land of Hijaz. Second thing…‘chor kabhi us ghar mein mehman ban kar nahi jaata jahan woh chori kar chuka ho’…kiya moonh deikhata Mirza…even to show off to the world. Third thing is …that he should have been restricted by Britishers…because he was appointed for sub-continent…and he had to do his job there. Forth thing is that he was scared that if goes out of India…he might be killed…so why risk his life for Hajj.
Thanx for sharing info…
But later on it was prophet :saw: who entered into Mecca as a conquerer…and performed Hajj…the Hajj best of the best in the history of Mankind…unfortunately…Mirza didn’t get a fraction of this honour…instead he never been able to see Mecca and/or Medinah.