Destiny of a false prophet?

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If someone claims to be a prophet and he’s not a prophet, following is what Quran says about him:

69: 45. And if he (ie., Muhammad s.a.w) had forged and attributed any sayings to US,
69: 46. We would, surely, have seized him by the right hand,
69: 47. And then, surely, WE would have cut his life-vein,
69: 48. And not one of you could have held Our punishment off from him.
69: 49. And verily, it is a reminder for the righteous,
69: 50. And, surely, WE know that there are some among you who reject OUR Signs.
69: 51. And, verily, it will be a source of regret for the disbelievers.
69: 52. And, surely, it is the absolute truth.
69: 53. So glorify the name of thy Lord, the Great.

Why then, in case of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib, Allah didn’t show His anger?

Allah says: 17: 82. And proclaim: `Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Verily, falsehood is bound to vanish.

If he was a false prophet, why is it that his message has reached corners of the earth through MTA (Muslim TV Ahmadiyys) - a fulfillment of his prophecy “I shall cause thy message to reach corners of the earth”? - Why does Allah keep on fulfilling his prophecies if he is false?

When Allah says: 6: 22. And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against ALLAH or treat HIS Signs as lies ? Surely the unjust shall not prosper.

Why we see Ahmadis prosper and there numbers increase everyday.

When Allah says: 6: 94. And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against ALLAH, or says, It has been revealed to me,' while nothing has been revealed to him; and who says, I will sent down the like of that which ALLAH has sent down ?’ And if thou couldst only see, when the wrongdoers are in the agonies of death, and the angels stretch forth their hands, saying, `Yield up your souls. This day shall you be awarded the punishment of disgrace because of that which you spoke against ALLAH falsely and because you turned away from HIS Signs with disdain.’

Why then Allah doesn’t show agonies of death to Ahmadis and there leaders? Why is it that after more than 100 years there jama’at is still prospering?

When Allah says: 11: 19. And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against ALLAH ? Such shall be presented before their Lord, and the witness will all say, `These are they who lied against their Lord.’ Now, surely, the curse of ALLAH is on the wrongdoers,

The curse doesn’t seem to be on Ahmadis. They’ve even got ‘Khilafat’ in their Jama’at.

As in the above verses Allah has clearly stated if anyone makes false claims on Allah, it is Allah who will takecare of that person and gives him punishment and will show His glory to the mankind by showing that false claimant’s misery in this world. But in case of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, Allah seems to keep silent. Why?

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moving gradually from Mujaddid to Messiah to Propeht and finally to God tells us what state of mind he was in. I think no prophet died of Cholrea as it is discussed in other thread. Also that all of his prophecies turned out to be untrue and as per his own words 'I will be judged by my prophecies'. These two points are enough for me as a sign of Allah's unhappiness.

Its not just Mirza look at the new gustakh of the last century 'Gohar Shahi'. He had a similar end.

An opimum addicted cannot be a prophet. Atleast this what me and an ordinary muslim with little knowledge can say. Rest is known to Allah.

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Mr. Smooth_guy

And in the very same 'other' thread, historical evidence was given that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, the Promised Messiah al-mahdi didn't die because of cholera. I think you forgot to read those posts.

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*Originally posted by smooth_guy: *
moving gradually from Mujaddid to Messiah to Propeht and finally to God tells us what state of mind he was in. I think no prophet died of Cholrea as it is discussed in other thread. Also that all of his prophecies turned out to be untrue and as per his own words 'I will be judged by my prophecies'. These two points are enough for me as a sign of Allah's unhappiness.

Its not just Mirza look at the new gustakh of the last century 'Gohar Shahi'. He had a similar end.

An opimum addicted cannot be a prophet. Atleast this what me and an ordinary muslim with little knowledge can say. Rest is known to Allah.
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-== About Gradual Revealment and Prophethood ==-

Prophet Mohammad first said: "Don't give superiority to any of Allah's prophets." (Bokhari, 4.26 & 9.52)

  • However gradually he changes his stance: "I have been given superiority over the other prophets in six respects." (Muslim, Babul faza'il)

We now believe in him as afzalul anbiya.

The above sayings of the prophet, in your words, "tells us what state of mind he was in." This amounts to blasphemy and defemation of prophet Mohammad, the punishment of which, in your religion, is death.

-== Of Prophets Disease & Death ==-

Some Excerpts from the most renouned books of Seerah"

Aisha, may God be pleased with her, narrated the incident of the prophet, on whom be peace, coming to her house:

"The apostle went out walking between two men of his family one of whom was al-Fadl b. al-Abbas. His head was bound in a cloth and his feet were dragging as he came to my house."... "Then the apostle's illness worsened and he suffered much pain." (Ibne Hisham : 243)

She later narrates about his death:

" Aayeshah RadiyallahuAnha relates that at the time of the death of Rasulullah Sallallahu `Alayhi Wasallam, she gave him support with her chest, or she said with her lap. He asked for a container to urinate in. He urnated therein. Thereafter he passed away."
(Ash Shimail of Tirmdhi : 369 )

If I paste the words you and your friends have used for Mirza Saheb dying such a death, and relate it to the above Hadith, then you will be charged with such a big blasphemy that any muslim reading this thread, if he sees you in person, will feel no hesitation in breaking your skull.

I do not want to continue writing any firther because the words you have used for Mirza Saheb for certain reasons, if hold true for prophet Mohammad for exactly similar reasons, then this would account to hurting the feelings of all muslims reading this thread, and unlike you I do not want to do that.

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The Ahmeddiya movement growing is a figment of your imagination...Even if it is, it is a sign that Munafiqeen are growing (As prophecied)...The unbelievers love you, because you are like them and follow them to wherever they lead you...Like the Mirza following the Brits around everywhere...

An why didn't Mirza sahib die as a result of his blasphemes? Because, even if Pharaoh were alive today, he would be dealt with later on in the Aakhira...

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
The Ahmeddiya movement growing is a figment of your imagination...Even if it is, it is a sign that Munafiqeen are growing (As prophecied)...The unbelievers love you, because you are like them and follow them to wherever they lead you...Like the Mirza following the Brits around everywhere...

An why didn't Mirza sahib die as a result of his blasphemes? Because, even if Pharaoh were alive today, he would be dealt with later on in the Aakhira...
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Thank you for the info God!

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:hehe:…YW

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When the deen got completed by the Prophet Muhammad (saw), what need remained to have new prophets and things?

Quran was revealed and the Seerah of the Prophet (saw) is there. What more are you guys looking for?

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*Originally posted by Islamabad: *
Quran was revealed and the Seerah of the Prophet (saw) is there. What more are you guys looking for?
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We're looking for the same thing prophet Jesus is gonna climb down from the sky to bring for you! Its that easy.

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*Originally posted by Paaga| |nsaan: *

We're looking for the same thing prophet Jesus is gonna climb down from the sky to bring for you! Its that easy.
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Newflash: He is not bringing anything...;)

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**Armughal,

Read Lajawab's post below and learn to respect the religious personalities of other individuals, if you expect others to show the same respect towards yours.

I trust this will be the last time I warn you about this issue.

If you have any questions - feel free to PM me.

--Samarra.**

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Awww, come on mughal...They hold him in high regard...

Think of it this way, if a Christian mocks your prophet, would you mock his? If a fake prophet was from some other religion, he would have insulted your prophet in return...

You don't have to accept other's beliefs, but you must respect them...

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atleast, some1 is in the position to understand how to respect, :mash: :k:

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *

Newflash: He is not bringing anything...;)
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so did Hz Mirza Sahib(as), only reform Islam, not bring anything new, it´s different, if some1 understand, that he brought something new!

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*Originally posted by Mr OuiJa: *

so did Hz Mirza Sahib(as), only reform Islam, not bring anything new, it´s different, if some1 understand, that he brought something new!
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How can you say he didn't bring anything new? Didn't he take surah from the Quran and add something in it? When you make an addition, it's a change, isn't it? What right did he have to change the word of Allah? Did he think he could do a better job than Allah?

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right now I dont have the quotes of Hz Masih Maood :as: book, in which he(as) himself said, that one who only change or dont believe in ONE DOT of Holy Quran is for me out of Islam!!!

But proof your point too, how you come to this statement, I would like you see the quotes from yur side!!

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.. so whatabout revelation Mirza got from Allah as u believe.. how u regard that revelations.. is that message new … and as u regard Mirza as mirror of Holy Prophet (PBUH) where u turn for guidence.. if u still read Quran then what about new revelations..

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Sir tell me onething, as according to you when Hz Isa :as: will come down, what you think, Allah(swt) wont have a talk(revelation) with him?? I mean the guy was 2000 years in the sky (who knows where), and now he is back and no communication with Allah(swt)?

The revelation to Hz Masih Maood :as: has nothing to do with addition in Holy Quran!! the revelation is a simple way to tell him(as) from Allah(swt) YOU ARE THE PROMSIED MESSIAH AND MAHDI, ONLY then he(as) was able to claim, otherwise who would lie against Allah(swt) and I hope you know well what will happen with those who lies against Allah(swt)!!

Sadya said that he did addition in Holy Quran, and I wanted to know which addition!!

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If the revelations as u claim just told him that he was Mahdi (u never mentioned Messenger of Allah) then how u regard Mirza's books.. are they in same esteem Quran, Bible, Torah as I heard from a qadiani? I knowthe whole base of ahmadis is based on the assumption that Jesus (AS) wont come back so u use words in mock way about his descent as u have used here.. jus read Surah Maryam before u say anything about Jesus (AS) whom muslims and chritians keep so near to their hearts..

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Re: Destiny of a false prophet?

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*Originally posted by zakiahmed: *
If someone claims to be a prophet and he's not a prophet, following is what Quran says about him:

69: 45. And if he (ie., Muhammad s.a.w) had forged and attributed any sayings to US,
69: 46. We would, surely, have seized him by the right hand,
69: 47. And then, surely, WE would have cut his life-vein,
69: 48. And not one of you could have held Our punishment off from him.
69: 49. And verily, it is a reminder for the righteous,
69: 50. And, surely, WE know that there are some among you who reject OUR Signs.
69: 51. And, verily, it will be a source of regret for the disbelievers.
69: 52. And, surely, it is the absolute truth.
69: 53. So glorify the name of thy Lord, the Great.

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These were said for Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) not any prophet.. how can Quranic verses be applied on Mirza!!! How many muslims in the worls today bless him and vice versa? hes cursed million times more than hes blessed everyday.. I hope he would had been far better if he had only claimed some mahdi than a messenger of Allah...