One POV is most people on this forum are Pakistanis…one way or another…by birth or by origin. Most people do identify and consider themselves Pakistani in some way. I dont think people necessarily want to look down on Pakistan…more so identify problems and question reasons behind them. When its a discussion between Pakistanis…its not the same as an outsider coming in and critisizing a nation they know nothing about. They consider themselves Pakistani and therefore feel its okay to bring up topics or issues they find happening in Pakistani society. At least thats how I feel…I dont talk negatively about Pakistan to anyone…sometimes with another Pakistani I may discuss things I find wrong but thats not considered bad mouthing the country.