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Ghulail i saw the argument btw u n pcg and u seem to be lacking any point and like to argue just so you can say something so anything u say really has no weight 
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:)…waisai seriously, forget the arguemnt btw me and pcg, r u sure u didnt understand what i said…as in the difference btw an Islamic scholar who is simply in a great position to be a ‘source’ of Hadith and Sunnah, and a woman who has been educated in the knowledge of thier times?..why r hiding behind pcg
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A woman should definitely get an education and be able to stand on her two feet before she marries. Agreed! :k:
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Please do not forget that she must also have been knowledgeable about other stuff as well. One does not become scholar without having outside knowledge, otherwise the credibility of issuing fatawa is not very strong.
Yes, the keyword is Islamic scholar, but he also stated that she wasn’t knowledgeable about other matters, which I strongly disagree with.
Anyway, I do not wish to get into any sort of argument over this matter. Just my personal opinion, which could very well be wrong, as I do not have anything on hand right now to prove otherwise.
May Allah (SWT) forgive me if I’ve stated anything wrong.
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Are u kidding me? Do you know anything about what the world was in 500-600 A.D?
First tell me this Ghulail - what "worldly knowledge" was out there that Aisha absolutely knew nothing about?
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i agree. but i think she should try for something besides the art or home ec degree.
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^ Do they still teach home economics? :-|
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pcg it doesnt matter what wordly knowledge was out there....i dont need to even talk abt that to show yr point is moot.....Hazrat Ayesha (R) was not an educated woman the way u mean it, that really is enuff..
secondly, if u r this dumb to think there were no educational institions then (madrassahs taught both religious and other stuff).... then frankly u r just plain cute...:)
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pcg it doesnt matter what wordly knowledge was out there....i dont need to even talk abt that to show yr point is moot.....Hazrat Ayesha (R) was not an educated woman the way u mean it, that really is enuff..
secondly, if u r this dumb to think there were no educational institions then (madrassahs taught both religious and other stuff).... then frankly u r just plain cute...
Again, this cute shute crappy approach of yours. Hide behind your mockery. You dont have an argument. How can you say Aisha was an uneducated woman or a bad example of an educated woman, when there was no such thing as a university-attending chic at the time?
Education does not NECESSARILY mean going to college and getting a degree. Look, you probably have a degree, and you're stupid.
At that time, the more educated person was the one who had travelled a great deal and seen a lot and met a lot of people - the one who experienced life (and yes, that's a form of education as well). Rebuilding a society with its own moral code, etc is a big deal. Its not the job of dunces like yourself. At that time, there was no Harvard to produce leaders. Leaders searched for knowledge on their own.
LIkewise, you can't reduce Aisha to just someone who narrarated hadith. There is a great deal of responsibility on her shoulders and she was definitely a leader of her time. She was on hell of an accomplished woman, and she was educated, because at that time, the definition of education was experience-based education. She led a war, and advised leaders, etc. Don't tell me she wasn't educated. Bull crap.
Another great example is Khadija (R) herself. She ran her own business. Now dont tell me that doesn't require some training and education.
Now run along now and go play on the highway.
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islamic values .. yea ?
think again .. i just dont wana get started on that TRUST ME !!! yall know how to refer PROPHETS family n him but are u even close to be followin their teachings ? enough said !
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pcg .. time to take a nap hunny .. or shud i say bathing in a puddly lol
n in that era PPL KNEW nickeling and astrology was out there in kinda bogus shape but yea it was still out there and the basic knowledge of wat ur MODERN ENGINEERING geners from was known by people too but hazret Ayesha knew none of them and ofcorse it dont dialates or shortens any part of her SIGNIFICANCE held in islamic world.
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wud u like to name any of the women went through ur so LOGICAL EDUCATION term ?
n does islam even appreciates ur MODERN univ and schools ?
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Hazrat Ayesha (R) was a leader of her time? led a war? advised leaders? leaders searched for knowledege on thier own? seen a lot and met a lot of people?
cutie, she was all this…and not educated
there were educational institions around and she did not require qualifications from them to be what she was…
u just refuted yrself there…u dont need a univ/institutions education to be all that…
drew out the profile of a typical uneducated aurat (read without univ education) and mentioned qualities that plain represent character as education..
u r no longer just cute…paaoon pai kulhari joa maar di hai…ab toa khoobsorat ho gaee ho…
as for Hazrat Khadija (R) she was 40-45 when she married Prophet Mohammad…he then became a prophet some years later…she was prob 45 then…her early rearing and behavior comes outside the fold of Islam…
PS: we have a leader here…she buys her own lunch! 
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Yes there were educational institutions around the world - tell me, smartass, can you name a few? :)
Furthermore, even the men in Saudia Arabian society in which Ayesha lived did not go off and get educated in Greece. There was empire building to do at home first. They were smart, unlike Pakistanis of today.
Khadija is a perfect example, for even though her rearing and behavior came from outside the fold of Islam, it was still accepted within the fold of Islam. If you dont agree with that, tell me of some Islamic proof in which the Prophet admonished his wife for having her own career? If he didn't like it, why did he even work for her?
This is getting better and better. Ghulail, you're making yourself look like a total idiot, and you have no clue. Now THAT is cute. :)
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I tend to agree with you PCG here. You have put it in a best possible manner.
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feeling crunchy yet, ghulail?
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n in that era PPL KNEW nickeling and astrology was out there in kinda bogus shape but yea it was still out there and the basic knowledge of wat ur MODERN ENGINEERING geners from was known by people too but hazret Ayesha knew none of them and ofcorse it dont dialates or shortens any part of her SIGNIFICANCE held in islamic world.
You and ghulail are saying the same thing actually. I'm amazed that people like you two exist. I thought your type was the stuff that un-based western criticism of the muslim world is based on. I guess not.
Mr. Shizzle-your-Nizzle-Bombastic-confused-paki, refer to my above response to ghulail on education.
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This whole issue is blown way out of proportion - being educated had a different then and it has a different meaning today. Thats it - there is nothing else to this argument.
Nobody is right or wrong here - different people with different opinions. Geez some of you guys just bash each other, what are you guys solving? - 'the cuban missile crisis'. Please stop being so bitter towards each other its not a court room drama...
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so first u try to broaden the scope of the word…redefine the word education to make it expereince-based and what not, and when that fails u want to narrow it down to harvard education?
so if they did not go off to greece to get educated, it meant arabs werent educated?..cutie pie, there is something called ability to read and write and do basic math and some astrology? nahin? woh kisi koa nahin aati thi arab lands mai..
and whats this? ‘admonish’ Hazarat Khadija (R) for having ‘her own career’…darling jaan, he was employed by her, and he would go and admonish her for having a career?
earliest years, the Prophet barely had a following and relied on her economically and he would have gone and admonished her for it…jaanlaiva argument hai.
besides, Islam was revealed piecemeal over a period of 20 yrs, in which she was present for only the first decade…any ayats regarding womens status cud easily have been revealed after her death…so again theres a loophole for u…
alas nobody found me this cute before…
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so if they did not go off to greece to get educated, it meant arabs werent educated?..cutie pie, there is something called ability to read and write and do basic math and some astrology? nahin? woh kisi koa nahin aati thi arab lands mai.. BANG ON TARGET !!!
now BYTE ME 
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so first u try to broaden the scope of the word....redefine the word education to make it expereince-based and what not, and when that fails u want to narrow it down to harvard education?
Are u kidding me? Have u read anything of what I wrote? I agree with Cat-woman's df.
so if they did not go off to greece to get educated, it meant arabs werent educated?....cutie pie, there is something called ability to read and write and do basic math and some astrology? nahin? woh kisi koa nahin aati thi arab lands mai..
Very few people at the time knew how to write. Very few. Even most guys did not know. And the fact of the matter is, that even the Prophet didn't know how to write, but he encouraged people to go as far as China to gain knowledge. He went to the few scribes who did know how to write scripture. At the time, they were writing verses on cow-hide, and barks of wood. If the Prophet was against gaining knowledge, he would have used the oral tradition, wouldn't he? He would have ostracized the few scribes there were. Really, this is such a stupid statement that I should not even waste my time arguing against it.
and whats this? 'admonish' Hazarat Khadija (R) for having 'her own career'....darling jaan, he was employed by her, and he would go and admonish her for having a career?
earliest years, the Prophet barely had a following and relied on her economically and he would have gone and admonished her for it....jaanlaiva argument hai.
Wow. So are u saying that the Prophet kept his true feelings towards women working and having some education and know-how so that he could keep his job. Are u saying the Prophet was matlabi? Man, you're a real nutjob.
besides, Islam was revealed piecemeal over a period of 20 yrs, in which she was present for only the first decade....any ayats regarding womens status cud easily have been revealed after her death....so again theres a loophole for u....
So then he wuold have said something along the lines of "dont try to be like khadija". Instead his wife's memory still lived in him and his people. He had nothing but praise for her. Again, your point is totally beqaar, especially since there was no revelation that said women should not be educated.
alas nobody found me this cute before...
Probably because you're not? You're more like a splinter in the heel.