Describe your Dowry

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That bride's side do not give any dowry but want large sums as Mehr.

Is it fair?

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The mehr is a gift from the groom to the bride (to the bride, not the bride's family!). She is allowed to ask what she likes for it. But we know from hadith that the best mehr is the one that is easy for the groom to pay. What you ask should vary according to what the groom is able to afford. For some paying $1,000 would be difficult and yet for others paying $50,000 would be easy. So brides should be reasonable in what they ask and expect and should consider their husband's financial situation. Also the mehr should not be seen as an insurance policy to protect against divorce. Many people put huge amounts for mehr because they think the guy will not divorce the girl if he knows he has to pay this amount! This is a joke. Mehr is not to just be paid at time of divorce. Husband should pay it to his wife as soon as they get married, or if she agrees, at a later time. Its her money and once they are married she has every right to get and use it. He should not forget about it and hope she will forget about it, nor should he try to pressure her to "forgive" it on the wedding night. Unfortunately these are all things that are common in desi communities

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I'd like to pay the mehr on my wedding day, and I expect/want no dowry. However she must bring her shoes and clothes with her.

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hazaron khuwahishain aysi kai har khuwahish par damm nikLAi.. :hinna:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=279596

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I got gifts from my parents (clothes,jewellery) and that's all :)my in-laws had no issues with that Alhamdoillah.

a small apartment and a car :)

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yep the girl is moving away from her family, so in effect there daughter is leaving the house to be with her husband - but the bride's family shouldnt go overboard, I don't agree with the concept of dowry and don't know why the hell pakis have adopted it into their culture*.*, it is illogical, the wife moves from her own family but they still have to give money to her in laws??
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In old days, "Land" was the biggest asset people had. They did not want to give the Land as inheritance to girls coz in that way it will go to another family, to make up for that they used to give lot of dowry and gifts on every occasion.

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K i dont agree that it's good when its forced. but if a family wants to and is in a position to and able to give it....idk ppl shouldn't be hating. i got a few joray, not like 20-30-100 like other girls usually get.. and my mom gave me her jewelery. In-laws never asked for anything but parents still gave and they gave good.

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not sure if anyone correctd you but themehr is not for the girls family plus there is a very small percentage of guys who even pay the mehr upfront. khair thats another topic.

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Unlike many in-laws who 'don't' ask for the dowry my in-laws and hubby explicitly forbade us not to bring anything! So nothing in dowry as such but some joras and jewelery for myself and hubby. Although my parents sent along gifts(i.e joras) for hubby's family and extended family (uncles+aunts) I have asked my bros not to take even that when they get married. Bros totally agree, as it will be quite cruel cos I have a large number of uncles+aunts mashAllah.

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My older sister married an arab, most arabs dont this dowry thing, it kinda works the other way round, the guys side usually gives the dowry.

Hmmm I think there were exchange of gifts...hmmm I dont really know....maybe I should pay more attention!

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I had told my in-laws that I was not going to take any dowry. They still gave some clothes and small gifts to their daughter. Knowing their situation, I in fact paid for the wedding expenses to them in advance without my family knowing about it. I told them that I believed in the Islamic tradition where man picks up the tab of the wedding cost. I think my father-in-law was very appreciative of it.

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Hold on a second...... DOWRY? Isnt this a hindu tradition? Unless the author of this thread is a Hindu - Muslims dont use the concept of dowry. In Islam, there is only MEHR, which is given to the bride at the time of marriage OR given at the time of (if they, god forbid, do end up divorcing)- if thats how the family works. MEHR amount given to female is negotiable. Men dont get anything from the females side.

yes my dear in theory its like that but many pakistani Muslim feel obliged to follow traditions that are not always in accordance with Islam....

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I had told my in-laws that I was not going to take any dowry. They still gave some clothes and small gifts to their daughter. Knowing their situation, I in fact paid for the wedding expenses to them in advance without my family knowing about it. I told them that I believed in the Islamic tradition where man picks up the tab of the wedding cost. I think my father-in-law was very appreciative of it.

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^ Nice! May Allah fill your marriage with many blessings, Ameen

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Hold on a second...... DOWRY? Isnt this a hindu tradition? Unless the author of this thread is a Hindu - Muslims dont use the concept of dowry.
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Unfortunately what Muslims are supposed to do does not always equal what Pakistanis end up doing. In Pakistan it is very common for inlaws to expect and in some cases even demand a full dowry, not just clothes and jewlery for the bride, but everything for the new home like bed, sofas, dining table, tv, washing machine, fridge, car..you name it. When my husband's cousin got engaged a few years ago in Karachi, her inlaws told her mom that for her dowry they wanted her to "bring" an apartment

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^ how dignified is THAT!! :)
so what if its expected.....END IT!! END the traditions that sound and are full of shame...
guys' families become so 'chawal' its like they are waiting for this opportunity for someone to buy them 'stuff'.........its their responsibility to provide...i mean its the husband's responsibility to provide ALL the things mentioned above that qualify as 'dowry'
seriously people talk to your parents..and put some sense into them..its ok to tell your parents when they are wrong/unfair ....come on people!!! arrghhh

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Yes you are right, Islamically speaking it is the husband's duty to provide for the new house, not the wife's obligation to bring all the furnishings from her parents! I hope people will break away from these traditions and realize that gifts that a bride's parents give should never be asked or demanded or expected. Its really sad that they take such a happy and beautiful thing like a wedding and turn it into such a period of stress and madness that the bride's family feels obliged to give a dowry worth tens of thousands of dollars, man times it being way more than they could ever afford

From the New York Times in 2003

Dowry Too High. Lose Bride and Go to Jail.

By JAMES BROOKE

OIDA, India, May 16 — The musicians were playing, the 2,000 guests were dining, the Hindu priest was preparing the ceremony and the bride was dressed in red, her hands and feet festively painted with henna.

Then, the bride's family says, the groom's family moved in for the kill. The dowry of two televisions, two home theater sets, two refrigerators, two air-conditioners and one car was too cheap. They wanted $25,000 in rupees, now, under the wedding tent.

As a free-for-all erupted between the two families, the bartered bride put her hennaed foot down. She reached for her royal blue cellphone and dialed 100. By calling the police, Nisha Sharma, a 21-year-old computer student, saw her potential groom land in jail and herself land in the national spotlight as India's new overnight sensation.

"Are they marrying with money, or marrying with me?" Ms. Sharma asked today, her dark eyes glaring under arched eyebrows. In the next room a fresh wave of reporters waited to interview her, sitting next to the unopened boxes of her wedding trousseau.

After fielding a call from a comic-book artist who wanted to bring her act of defiance last Sunday night to a mass market, she said, "I'm feeling proud of myself."

"It Takes Guts to Send Your Groom Packing," a headline in The Times of India read.

Rashtriya Sahara, a major Hindi daily, said in a salute, "Bravo: We're Proud of You."

"She is being hailed as a New Age woman and seen as a role model to many," the newspaper Asian Age wrote next to a front-page drawing of Ms. Sharma standing in front of red and green wedding pennants while flashing a V sign to cameras and wearing a sash over her blue sari with the words Miss Anti-Dowry.

"This was a brave thing for a girl dressed in all her wedding finery to do," said Vandana Sharma, president of the Women's Protection League, one of many women's rights leaders and politicians to make a pilgrimage this week to this eastern suburb of Delhi. "This girl has taken a very dynamic step." India's new 24-hour news stations have propelled Nisha Sharma to Hindi stardom. One television station set up a service allowing viewers to "send a message to Nisha." In the first two days, 1,500 messages came in.

Illegal for many decades in India, dowries are now often disguised by families as gifts to give the newlyweds a start in life. More than a media creation, Ms. Sharma and her dowry defiance struck a chord in this nation, whose expanding middle class is rebelling against a dowry tradition that is being overfed by a new commercialism.

"Advertisements now show parents giving things to make their daughters happy in life," Brinda Karat, general secretary of the All India Democratic Women's Association, a private group, said, referring to television commercials for products commonly given in dowries.

"It is the most modern aspects of information technology married to the most backward concepts of subordination of women," Ms. Karat continued in a telephone interview. Last year, she said, her group surveyed 10,000 people in 18 of India's 26 states. "We found an across-the-board increase in dowry demand," she said.

Much of the dowry greed is new, Ms. Karat added. In a survey 40 years ago, she noted, almost two-thirds of Indian communities reported that the local custom was for the groom to pay the bride's family, the reverse of the present dominant custom. According to government statistics, husbands and in-laws angry over small dowry payments killed nearly 7,000 women in 2001.

When Ms. Sharma's parents were married in 1970, "my father-in-law did not demand anything," her mother, Hem Lata Sharma, said while serving hot milk tea and cookies to guests.

For the Sharma family, the demands went far beyond giving the young couple a helping hand.

Dev Dutt Sharma, Nisha's father, said his potential in-laws were so demanding that they had stipulated brands. "She specified a Sony home theater, not a Philips," Mr. Sharma, an owner of car battery factories, said of Vidya Dalal, the mother of the groom, Munish Dalal, 25.

Sharma Jaikumar, a telecommunications engineer and friend of the Sharma family, said as the press mob ebbed and flowed through the house: "My daughter was married recently and there was no dowry. But anyone can turn greedy. What can be more easy money than a dowry? All you have to do is ask."

With Mr. Dalal in jail for 14 days, pending formal charges of violating India's laws against dowries, the groom's family has disappeared. Before going underground, they charged that Ms. Sharma had had an affair with a student at her university and that she had a "mark" on her back, implying that she had contracted a disease.

Mr. Sharma bought two sets of each electrical appliance. One was for the couple. The other was for the groom's older brother, who had headed the household after the death of their father. The demand for $25,000, carefully timed to hit Mr. Sharma when he was at his most vulnerable, was to go to the groom's mother.

A believer in arranged marriages, Mr. Sharma found the groom by placing a classified ad in two of Delhi's elite English-language newspapers, a common practice here.

Today he recommended that fathers of brides check the bona fides of prospective in-laws. His potential son-in-law was not a computer engineer, he said, but a computer instructor. The mother was not a vice principal of a private school, but a gym teacher.

That fact came home to him on Sunday night when Mrs. Dalal slapped him across the face for refusing her demand for cash.

"The slap was so tight that she made me realize that she really is a physical training instructor," Mr. Sharma said today, rubbing his left cheek at the memory. "The finger marks of her slap, later, after four hours, figured in my medical legal examination."

"Then Savitry Devi spit on my face," he continued, referring to the groom's aunt. "This was dowry cum blackmailing. I wanted to call police and dial my mobile, but it was snatched by somebody."

Instead, his daughter called the police.

When the police came, Mr. Sharma said, they spent an hour calming the wedding party, giving the groom and his family ample time to escape. To make a show of action, they detained the musicians' bus. Mr. Sharma intervened, and the musicians were freed.

Three hours after the brawl, when Mr. Sharma was registering his complaint at the police station, a television crew from the Aaj Tak news channel happened to be at the station. "With the pressure of the media people, the police went to the boy's house and arrested him," Mr. Sharma said.

Today the Sharmas had no regrets about their expensive wedding collapsing in chaos.

"People say now it will be very difficult to marry my daughter again," Mr. Sharma said. "But I thought, if trouble is starting today, tomorrow may be worse. It could be killing. I thought, let the money go."

Unfazed by the loss of her fiancé, Ms. Sharma said that since Monday she had received 20 to 25 marriage proposals, by cellphone, e-mail and letter.

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Did not ask/want for anything... but car payment/loan (wouldn't consider that as dowry though) came from the other side which is okay now that its paid off. :D