Derby: MUM TOLD SON TO KILL HIS SISTER, JURY HEARS

Re: Derby: MUM TOLD SON TO KILL HIS SISTER, JURY HEARS

Whatever she is, only because she was ignored when she shouldn't be. Usually parents dont pay enough attention to children and when they turn up like this, they bash them.

In a western society, parents do need to talk to their children for almost everything. But again, some children dont listen. I remember a druggie 15 years old paki boy how the drugs can harm him and he shouldn't be smoking and using drugs & he listened to me eagerly and in the end he promised that he may not stop smoking but will definately stop using drugs, no he didn't. I worked on that boy for almost 1 month and realised its useless, he was always promising me that he will but he never did.

The result, he got nabbed by police got prosecuted for keeping drugs, has got health problems. Kicked out by parents blah blah blah.

These stories not only exist in UK, but all over the western world. The best bit is to work with the child in his/her grown age and parents at least should try to make their children better citizens and I am sure it will work.

In this particular girls case, its already too late, she needs professional help, her mother or brother even if they did beat her did a wrong because beating wont change anything. They should seek professional help.

Re: Derby: MUM TOLD SON TO KILL HIS SISTER, JURY HEARS

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Re: Derby: MUM TOLD SON TO KILL HIS SISTER, JURY HEARS

Nurturing of a child begins from the womb. A fetus can take anything in at that time.

I bet her [daughter] negative behaviour is due to various reason of her households. She must have been neglected by her parents or when she was leading towards the astray path she should have been corrected.

RoadRunner science can go to hell as far as i am concerened. Science is not going to help us answer in our Qabar. Mah aur Baap dono se pooch ho gi - regarding how they raised their kids. If they taught them lessons of Islam and so on. How can one sleep at night knowing their child is going on the wrong path...

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Yes, you of course know more than science has proved as fact. You blaming the mother is as stupid as those illiterates who blame women for producing only male heirs.

The mother may not have done anything exceptionally different to other mothers, but it's the independency of every human being which is controlled by their upbringing, their genes, their friends etc etc, that will determine how they turn out.

Re: Derby: MUM TOLD SON TO KILL HIS SISTER, JURY HEARS

roadrunner i see alot of stupidity on your side. I am not blaming only women ... its both parents.... father left the house, brother beats her up, mother tortures... imagine what type of a life one can possibly live.

You can sit there and do your scientific theories let me know if they help out in answering Allah - astagfirullah...

Re: Derby: MUM TOLD SON TO KILL HIS SISTER, JURY HEARS

Double post. But anyway, the important point is, perhaps the father is to blame, perhaps the mother is, or perhaps neither is to blame and perhaps it's the 15 year old.

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Roadrunner...
OK you seem to justify the womans attitude by saying she lost her head...I said the mum is to blame and i have a right to say that considering that she was willing to beat her daughter...Asking your son to kill your daughter isnt saying things out of anger...if that was the case surely she should have stopped her son?...
And as for kids being independent...you are right...but it is the parents role to create a relationship between her and her kids...if the home environment was good then the girl might actually come home...and even when problems occur it is the parents role to deal with the problem...beating your daughter isnt going to make her any better is it...And thats why i am blaming mum...Shes done a poor job and should take the blame...

And btw from the original post i got the impression that she was hardly drugged out...smoking weed hardly classes you as a crackhead...go check the Bengalis on heroin in Tower Hamlets then you will see a drug that can make you a nightmare....

And even then...being addicted to something is a condition...they need help not to be killed...White people seem to be concerned about their children whilst Asians are more concerned about the stupid honour and what will the rest of the community will say...Surely the priority is the wellbeing of your child...

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Allah does many things so that others can learn.
It’s like asking why Allah permits natural disasters when innocent lives are taken…all for lessons to be learned.

btw…I always avoid saying things like “why Allah gives them Aulaad”…I’m afraid that one day Allah may answer me in ways that I would not appreciate.

Re: Derby: MUM TOLD SON TO KILL HIS SISTER, JURY HEARS

I'm not justifying anything. I dont know the facts, I'm saying this is not necessarily the mother's fault.

The son did not kill the daughter in response to your last sentence. It was probably a figure of speech. I'm sure you've said the word "kill too" and didnt mean it.

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And as for kids being independent...you are right...but it is the parents role to create a relationship between her and her kids...if the home environment was good then the girl might actually come home...and even when problems occur it is the parents role to deal with the problem...beating your daughter isnt going to make her any better is it...And thats why i am blaming mum...Shes done a poor job and should take the blame...

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Beating the daughter is probably wrong. However, everything else was probably tried and something perhaps tipped them over the edge.

The parents do create a relationship with the kids, but some kids are more impressionable to people on the outside (friends, drug dealers etc), this is all down to genes, nothing to do with the parents.

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And btw from the original post i got the impression that she was hardly drugged out...smoking weed hardly classes you as a crackhead...go check the Bengalis on heroin in Tower Hamlets then you will see a drug that can make you a nightmare....

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I have no wish to see Bengalis in Tower Hamlets. A crackhead is a crackhead, if she's smoking drugs and hanging out with druggies, she's a druggie.

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And even then...being addicted to something is a condition...they need help not to be killed...White people seem to be concerned about their children whilst Asians are more concerned about the stupid honour and what will the rest of the community will say...Surely the priority is the wellbeing of your child...
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I agree, she needs help, and shouldnt be killed. She should be turned over to the police, and sentenced to years in prison, and undergo rigorous therapy to cure her.

Again, you're generalizing about honour. A lot of Asians will take the white approach and just disassociate themselves from the teenager.

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Are you intentionally blocking out the the bit where i said i dont think its right, or are you just a retard?

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How would you like to be beaten up by some one twice your strength.
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I dont know if this happens any more, but back in the day (about 10-12 years ago) we used to get the smackdown layed on us at the mosque, with sticks and everything.

Didnt care for it much but it was a part of life and we got over it.

Re: Derby: MUM TOLD SON TO KILL HIS SISTER, JURY HEARS

His best course of action would have been to poison her slyly like James Bond...

:p Its a crazy world.

Re: Derby: MUM TOLD SON TO KILL HIS SISTER, JURY HEARS

You know muzna you are right …I have no right to sit here and question that… i dont even know how much gunnah i got for saying it…

Thanks :~)

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excuse me now tell me who is retard...anywasy i dont like to degrade ppl by calling them names...so i take that word back

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I dont understand your post. Try using punctuation next time.

By the way, that quote backed up what i said earlier (read the bit where it says "Im not saying it was right") so what point are you trying to make?

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the point is that even though you dont think it is right, you still wanted the brother to adnonish the beating properly. i bet the brother is ten times stronger than the sis and only a retard will ask such actions from the brother.

and your point about being hit by school teachers was absurd...being hit by school teacher and domestic voilence are not the same things.

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A beating is a beating. And it wasnt always the "molvi" who beat us up, sometimes the older kids were left in charge.

Looking back the beatings that we got were really severe. Kicking, punching, thrown around, hit with sticks, you name it.

I would rather be beaten up at home by someone i know, than at the mosque by 2-3 people who dont care about me at all.

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hmm thats sad if the beatings were so bad why didnt you switch schools...but i guess in pakistan switching wont have helped, they basically all have the same attitude.
And believe me it hurts more when a family member abuses you ...a person who is suppose to nuture you, love and protect you will cause more anguish than some stranger.

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I agree with zapp. Plus the mother shuoldve beaten her up, not the brother.

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Why do you keep refering to it as school? Im talking about the mosque. And it wasnt in Pakistan, i am from England.

Kids here are sent to the mosque in the evening where they read the Quran. And i did leave the mosque pretty soon and got home tuition instead.

Going back to the girl, i think she has over hyped her ordeal abit. She didnt receive a severe or sustained beating. She is just trying to get back at her Mother and Brother.

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ok baba not a school..and by the way how do you know she is over reacting, were you there in the house while she was being beaten, if not, than dont judge unless you know the full details.

instead of admiting that you were wrong , now you blaming the girl for making it all up :(