Derby: MUM TOLD SON TO KILL HIS SISTER, JURY HEARS

**A mother allegedly told her son that she would take the blame if he took his “unruly” sister into the cellar and killed her.

Usman Khalid did not carry out Rubina Shaheen’s alleged command but, a jury was told, he threatened to kill Mehwish Kiran during a six-hour period in which he is accused of hitting her with a spoon and a rolling pin, and wielding a kitchen knife.

Miss Kiran had run away from home a number of times before she was “physically assaulted, verbally abused and humiliated” in the early hours of April 6 last year, Derby Crown Court heard yesterday.

The schoolgirl, who was then 15, told the jury that she would smoke cannabis and hang around with older men who were drug-dealers and so was bringing shame on her Pakistani family.

That night, she was told to return home to St Thomas Road, Normanton, by 10pm but did not turn up until about midnight. As usual, she refused to tell her family who she had been with.

Miss Kiran, who admitted that she did not want to “bring shame on the family” by giving evidence, told the jury that her brother grabbed her as she went in and ripped her top.

While she was in the bathroom upstairs, Khalid (20) allegedly forced his way in and smashed her mobile phone on the floor, the court heard.

Miss Kiran told the jury that, when she went downstairs, Shaheen (45) twice ordered Khalid: “Take her down to the cellar. You kill her and I will take the blame.”

But Khalid allegedly replied: “Just give me half an hour” and “she’s going to talk tonight or she’s going to die.”

Miss Kiran said that her brother then took a spoon from the kitchen and forced her dental brace out with it, making her mouth bleed.

Khalid is then accused of getting a curry spoon, a rolling pin, a tin-opener and a knife.

His sister told the court that he hit her with the spoon a number of times and twice with the rolling pin, once so hard on her back that it made her scream.

She said that, at one stage, he had the knife in his hand and said: “Are you going to tell me their names or I swear I’m going to kill you?”

By 6am, Miss Kiran was able to go upstairs to bed after she lied and gave the names of two girls.

She told the court that her mother, who had earlier called her the Urdu word for a prostitute, had been upstairs all the time.

Miss Kiran, whose father lives in Pakistan, left home soon afterwards.

Shaheen denies child cruelty, while her son denies making a threat to kill, criminal damage and causing actual bodily harm.

The trial continues.**

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What do you guys think??? How would you treat that girl in such a situation??

Re: Derby: MUM TOLD SON TO KILL HIS SISTER, JURY HEARS

How and why did she turn into such a child is my first question?

Re: Derby: MUM TOLD SON TO KILL HIS SISTER, JURY HEARS

Prolly coz of the very same treatment she was sick of? If they abused her this much now, whos to say they dint inflict that sorta abuse before?

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beating her up like this is not gonna help anyone....they should be seeking some serious family counseling......what will others think attitude is just plain retarded. God help them

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^^School???

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and by doing all this the family saved the “honor”?

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Beating, abusing and threatening solves nothing…

Islam has a great solution to dealing with such kids as this girl…It’s called Aaq…

May Allah :swt: protect all noble Muslim homes from such vileness…Ameen…

Re: Derby: MUM TOLD SON TO KILL HIS SISTER, JURY HEARS

Laj what is Aaq?

Re: Derby: MUM TOLD SON TO KILL HIS SISTER, JURY HEARS

perhaps shunning? or abandonment (total cutoff)?

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Oh I dunno, i've never heard that term used..

but abandoning ur own child.. thas pretty harsh too..and at the age of 15 or so she IS a child.. its diff if the "child" is 25, 35 3 etc..

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You are right Sara but what do you do in this situation????? You can't abondon, you can't bash, don't even tell me that talking to her nicely will solve all the problems because she is a "DRUG ADDICT" and don't you guys think the parents had tried all these things before they had to bash her????

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^ any knowledge on why father is in Pakistan?

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Most shocking part is the mother telling her son to kill her own daughter.

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She's a slut and a shame to her family but killing her isn't the right thing to do..

It's hard in this situation, the best they could have done is be patient and told her nicely to give up on her wrong ways and if she persisted then shunning her and cutting her off would be the best thing to do, I know that would be hard for the family but it's better than setting a trend of accpeting such girls in the community and spreading her disease to other girls in Paki/Muslim community.

You know I think prents are to be blamed in a lot of these cases, they give bayhadd aazaadi to their kids and no rehnumai because mommy is too busy being a varking vaman, the mother is usually resposnible "jaani jaaney den na abhi bachey hain", they think it's cool to bring them up like gorey but when it comes to the age of 15-20 they suddenly want them to turn Paki and go ahead with an arranged marriage to a freshy or something when it's too late because the kids personality for the rest of his life has been made, 5-15 is the most crucial time in a childs life you make them or break them, after that their personality has been made and very little can change that.

I know families like these, a Punjabi family comes to mind, daddy spends 2 hours on each Namaz but daughter walks around with slits in her top, her grandma says to her "ithey aa putar tujhe kameez si du", "no grandma it's meant to be like that stupid" and her father feels no shame in have her dress like that and come home freely late at night "oh we trust our daughter" and just recently she legged it with a gora because they suddenly decided she had to marry her cousin from lalukhet or some other freshy place. In this case the girl is not to blame at all because when she was young her parents didn't forbid her from the wrong or encourage her to do right, they just wanted her to grow up like goria so how's it her fault?

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well yes, a lot of parents bring up their child in a very wrong way and thereafter complain about the child not being nice:rolleyes:…they have to understand it’s THEIR fault …cause the child education is parents responsabiliy! so if the girl is a slut…it’s because her mom made her be a slut!
and if she’s addicted to drug ..it’s their fault…who knows what her borther smoke anyway :rolleyes:

and why the dad has left her mom alone in UK :rolleyes:…to marry a young girl in pak :rolleyes:…or cause he was tired of his biwi…this family seem totally retarded anyway…poor children i pity them…we never choose to be born in good or bad family…but we often end up as good / bad as our parents

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I would first take her to pakistan and then take care of things :o

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Things were seriously wrong in this family a long before this incident happened.

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i think her parents should disown her. kick her out of the house and let her live with her drug dealer friends. i’m sure they’d throw her in a gutter sooner / later where she belongs.

parissenoor: where in the report its mentioned that her father left them to marry some1 else in pak? if ur assuming things then thats wrong. my parents don’t live with us. does that mean they too are going after young girls / guys to marry? :rolleyes:

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Both are better off each other. If the child is this head-strong at such young age, she can learn lessons the hard way (already is) and her psycho mom telling her son to kill his sister (inspired by variuos 'honour killing' stories maybe?) should be dealt with seperately. Very sad read though! that Kid is still just a kid.

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and what is this aaq???

if u r talking about that pakistani cultural thing where parents tell off their disobedient kids by refusing them right to inheritance, then that has no place in Islam…

any child, good or bad, has right over inheritance as Quran has put it…