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zero percent agree.
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What is the proof that democracy is the best method of governing? Instead of jumping the band wagon, we should analyze what works for us.
As for the original question regarding the claim “present regime in Pakistan claims it has put the country on democratic track”: Hitler’s information (propaganda) minister’s popular quote “we are going to lie until they believe”.
The claim is wrong, but not sure if this good or bad!
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For Pakistan and many other developing countries the much touted democratic system doesn't work. It makes the countries unstable, and subjects them to poverty.
However there is a path to democracy that goes through economic reforms and development of a strong and secular classes among landowners and businessmen.
For Pakistan, we do have secular landowner class. However our business class is rabidly religious. The result is the enormous funds for the Maulvi parties.
Another group of Pakistanis that is totally absent is "conservative economists". Our academia and journalists are 100% leftists when it comes to economy.
The day we get the right balance among these different groups, democracy will survive, nay thrive. Until then, we have to be content with regular bouts with Military rule.
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Good comparison.
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However there is a path to democracy that goes through economic reforms and development of a strong and secular classes among landowners and businessmen.
For Pakistan, we do have secular landowner class. However our business class is rabidly religious. The result is the enormous funds for the Maulvi parties.
Another group of Pakistanis that is totally absent is "conservative economists". Our academia and journalists are 100% leftists when it comes to economy.
The day we get the right balance among these different groups, democracy will survive, nay thrive. Until then, we have to be content with regular bouts with Military rule.
100% agreee
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You understood me wrong. I meant to ask why is everyone going democracy, democracy?
I see democracy as being and individualistic society. This is my experience, having lived in the west. Individualism does not flow with our local culture, and much more importantly our religion.
Would you like to leave your parents in Retirement Homes at the age they need you the most. Same question would you like to be left at that home alone, at old age. How about: the State has more right on children than parents. In democracy everything is competition. Thus when you are competing for money, one does not have the time to earn the ajar (reward) of taking care of parents.
We should not just jump the band wagon.
Analyze the West. The so called successful democracy. I feel it to be a failed state.
Is it not true that in democracy…
A better liar is chosen leader? (aka good speaker)
One has no moral obligations? Money money money….
One never has contentment? Greed
All in all, Rome was democracy, it failed. Why?
Last but not least, it bothers me the most that in democracy one is choosing without having enough knowledge. If people are choosing then why are there secret organizations. What do you buy without research?
Request, think outside the box without influence of current media. What do you see around you?
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon says, “Democracy is nothing but the Tyranny of Majorities, the most abominable tyranny of all, for it is not based on the authority of a religion, not upon the nobility of a race, not on the merits of talents and of riches. It merely rests upon numbers and hides behind the name of the people.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
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Democracy is in accordance with the teachigs of Islam. Islam is in fact quite secular in its essense and in Islamic society every individual is free to practice his relgion. Imperialism amd dictatorship are against the teachings of Islam.
The only solution is free and fair elections.
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Have non agency interfered elections regularly and democracy can work..the problem is the ruling fauji dominated elite think they know best..unfortunately they keep messing it up but are not willing to let civilians do their job properly.
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the pakistani police pee in their pants to anyone except the poor. thsi is nt soemthign to be proud of. if an army officer commits a crime and he cant be arresrtted then what is the point of laws? imagine if an army officer decided to do qabzah on your land or beat up your father or did something nasty with your sister? how woudl you feel if he was not arrested? whatw ould you think whent he police say to you we caught do anything because he is a big man.
i wonder if you would be saying that again in such a cocky manner if it affects you directly.? it might not yet but it might do one day soon. would you be so willign to fly the army's flag then?
You worry about your own sister getting nasty things done by an army office. Firstly most of them are trained well and are not like any other idiots, and yaeh they have their own military rules. Remember what happened in the old polytechnical college in pindi, students wrecked havoc, did all sorts of badmaashi till the army came and took over it. This is what we would want with the likes if you or any other uncontrolled citizens.
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In this world you either lead, follow, or get out of the way. Pakistan for obvious reasons has chosen to follow the good ole USA.
The problem is that Tribal Waziri in particular and their tribalistic cousins on the other side of the border can't lead, have no brains to follow, and aren’t smart enough to "get out of the way".
The result is that this whole tribal belt is sitting in the middle of the road like a "single-pusly gaa-ay" (Bharati cow with ribs showing) while $hitting stuff suitable for cow-patties.
Guess what, when you just sit in the middle of a busy road, you will be run over by every Toms dick and harry. So this tribal @$$ has been ruled by Ruskies, Americans, Dutch, French, and the list goes on.
Poor tribal bhainse (water buffalo) wants to throw $hit on USA and Pakistan now. In response to these bhainsee actions, US Pak have joined to milk (and impregnate) the poor thing.
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Well the situation is simple. Musharraf is dictator and puppet in the hands of US. All his policies are simply US dictation. The case of Wazirastan is no exception. Killing the fellow countrymen on US orders is mind boggling disgusting. I am surprised by the persons who support dicator. What happens if the General dies. Nothing. His real democracy will be buried along with him. Sooner he leave better it would be.
Pakistan needs to strengthen democratic institutions.
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Afghans can never lead, don't have brains to follow.
So they will continue to be crushed by on-coming traffic. Just like hapless cows on the GT road.
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So they will continue to be crushed by on-coming traffic. Just like hapless cows on the GT road.
Hey brainy please enlighten us how Afghanistan and Pakistan can come out of all this chaos. By the way the topic is democracy in Pakitan.
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Pakistan can have stable government under military as it is now.
Or
Pakistani politicians can change their "confrontational" ways and provide a stable government.
As for Afghanistan, they have to let go of pro-Bharatis and Kabuli Kommies. Until that happens, Afghanistan will remain unstable. I fear for a long time. As they don't know how to follow Pakistan.
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Or
Pakistani politicians can change their "confrontational" ways and provide a stable government.
As for Afghanistan, they have to let go of pro-Bharatis and Kabuli Kommies. Until that happens, Afghanistan will remain unstable. I fear for a long time. As they don't know how to follow Pakistan.
Who will succeed General Musharaf? Next chief of the army staff? So Pakistan was made for army to rule not the people. For your kind inofrmation Pakistan came into being through democratic process.
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Hahaha, but on the contrary, Afghanistan and India have striked strategic partnership with USA and NATO-gainst whom…I don’t know–they say strategic emphasis of NATO and the West after the Cold War has shifted from the northern flank (strategic deployment was in northern Euorope to deal with any threat from USSR during Cold War era) to a southern flank that stretches from Middle East to China via a “corridor” in South Asia—the strategic line from Sinkiang to Arabian Sea and Indian Ocean via Baluchistan scares all USA+NATO, Afghanistan, India, and even Iran and Russia.
After Afghanistan, Taleban/fundamentalist/terrorist phenomenon “was” “relocated” to Waziristan but it seems from there also it would’ve to make a retreat to its “actual home” and “strategic, tactical, material, logistic, and ideological support center”.
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People are ruled by their peers.
Most of the people in Pakistan belong to Marshal origins so they love military style rule.
Most of the people in Bharat belong to banya or Munshi (business) origins, so they love to be ruled by pro-Munshi leaders.
Most of the people in China belong to industrial origins, so they love to be ruled by guess what? Factory managers.
Pakistan can have elected leaders but they have to be military style strong man. Unfortunately our political leaders behave more like Bharati Munshis so they get kicked out every 2 years. Our leaders must change their style to match with Pak people and they will be successful.
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Or
Pakistani politicians can change their "confrontational" ways and provide a stable government.
As for Afghanistan, they have to let go of pro-Bharatis and Kabuli Kommies. Until that happens, Afghanistan will remain unstable. I fear for a long time. As they don't know how to follow Pakistan.
An undemocratic Pakistan is such a bad example to follow, why are you wishing it on your co-religionist brothers? Is there any limit to your ill-will towards Afghanis?
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As long as Bharati ill is infesting Afghanis, there is no need to wish them any worse.
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I am sure antiobl Bhai jaan, not one Afghani in million shares your views. But then then you don't want them to think for themselves, I forgot. Your posts permeate the sadness of Pakistan not being able to meddle in Afghani affairs any more. Jao, abhi Nepal me meddle karo.