Re: Democracy in its Essence - The Biggest Shirk of our Times
why muslims immigrate to western secular democracy?not the other way around?
Re: Democracy in its Essence - The Biggest Shirk of our Times
maybe hypocrisy is the 6th pillar?
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^^
Funny...I thought that was 13th amendment of the American constitution...
With justice, liberty and the right to pursue happiness for all...At the end of a gun whether they like it or not..."
Anyways, the sixth pillar is your favourite...Jihad...
Re: Democracy in its Essence - The Biggest Shirk of our Times
^ so it's ok to break the tenets of Islam to migrate to the US (west) but once there, you feel compelled to criticise anyone who doesn't believe in that?
Re: Democracy in its Essence - The Biggest Shirk of our Times
^^ Since when does travelling to West means you'r breaking the tenets of any religion?
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But but but…you’re in the land of the kaafirs and of haraam…
You know, the breeding grounds of this haraam democracy you speak of…
I mean, if you can go live in a country which is ruled by democracy which you consider haraam…
Then I can go and hang out with my buddies at a nude bar on saturday nights and watch them watch strippers and chug down 3 beers in 20 minutes.
Take note: EYE am not watching strippers…I’m watching friends watching strippers :halo:
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Please, tell us about the duties of a muslim in such situation from the sunnah and also from the stories of the companions:razi:.. How did they spread Islam in the land of Kaafirs like India and Persia or even Africa? through media? 
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as usual..making absolutely no sense.
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AQ , don't think you're some companion of the Prophet or the other. You did NOT migrate out of Pakistan because you wanted to spread Islam. You migrated out because you couldn't find a good job/education in Pakistan and because the dollars attracted you.
I can't believe someone has the balls to compare themselves to the Prophet or his companions.
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Miss PCG: you have no idea how I came here.
I even did not apply here.
They offered me to come here after my high school. A scholar ship par excellence for higher education of the world 
Truely said by my cousin: Amrikaa kaa jamaahi
PS: and no, no one can compare themselves with the companions. You totally misunderstood as usual. I was merely telling you that when you accuse muslims of living in kaafir land, do not forget This is ALLAH’s earth and He has ordered us to spread in it just like He ordered the Companions.
You have no right to tell us not to go and walk on the face of earth which belongs to ALLAH. who are you? Judge Judy?
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I'm saying, you're welcome to go WHEREVER you want to - but then respect the law of the land you live in!
If you think democracy is so haraam, then WHY would you accept a shcholarship in the first place? Do you realize where that money came from? Jewish people and Christian people. They're the ones with the scholarships that provide people like YOU a chance to get educated.
Pakistan also has universities - why did you not decide to stay in the land of the pure?
Furthermore, after education, are you actually planning on going back...or are you planning on staying here and making dollars in a country where capitalism and democracy are what runs the country and allows you to make these dollars?
That is why I ask in the other thread. Do you have a moral obligation as a muslim to go back to the land you came from and make a good Islamic change over there?
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Time out!
I will respect and abide all the laws and I actually do as long as they do not collide with Islamic commandmends.
For example, just for one instance, I do not pay interest on my credit cards 
Oh and as for going back… you even don’t know, I am outsourcing most of my software development work to Islamabad already
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Their fingers were crossed when they pledged 
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Like i said in my initial post, the form of Governments in Pakistan are haraam too.
I’v repeated this one statement a dozen times already. Damn girl, you’r going from bad to worse.
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yehi tau maal-e-ghaneemat hai..
Allah O Akbar!
Re: Democracy in its Essence - The Biggest Shirk of our Times
Well if both governments are haraam, then why do you chose to stay in the States and reform the government in the States...
logic would tell you to reform in those areas where the majority is Muslim and they're more likely to listen to you.
You think you're gonna go up to all the majority of nonmuslims in this country and convince them to give up the democratic institution?
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Yes :insha:
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So then why not go up to all the bad muslims of Pakistan and convince them to adopt good governmental institutions and laws ? :halo:
Re: Democracy in its Essence - The Biggest Shirk of our Times
actually his YES was in reply to :
"You think you're gonna go up to all the majority of nonmuslims in this country and convince them to give up the democratic institution?"
:)