Democracy in its Essence - The Biggest Shirk of our Times

One of the three types of Shirk is Shirk in Ibadah

One of the ways, how one could fall in this trap is if one allows the love of anything or anyone to come between himself and Allaah, then he has worshipped that thing. In this way, money can become one’s god or even one’s desires could become a god.

Allah says in the Quran:

** “Have you not seen the one who takes his desires as his god?”**

(Quran: 25:43)

This law can be applied both at a personal level and at a collective level.

Since this thread is on democracy and issues on a collective level, we’ll jump straight to the relevant part.

What is Democracy?
Democracy is nothing but Popular Sovereignty.

Allah Says in the Quran:

“Allah has not sent down any authority for them; judgment is only Allah’s”

(Surah Yousuf, Ayah 40)

Now this does’nt mean a human has no right to judge and practice law. He has the right to judge; but within the limits of the injunctions of the Quran and the Sunnah.

But popular sovereignty, as seen in the West, and now increasingly prevalent in the Islamic World, with the beleif that the people have the right to pass any law as they want, is the Biggest Shirk of our times.

Democracy CAN become a legal form of governemnt if it accepts Allah as the sole Sovereign and thats its rights are limited and that it can only act in accordance to the teachings of the Quran and the Sunnah. Same is the case with kingship; Dawood (A.S) and Suleiman (A.S) were kings.

*Hum ne khud Shahi ko pehnaya hai Jamhoori Labaas
Jab zara adam hoa hai khud shinaas o khud nigar
*
Back then Firaun used to say, I dont accept any limiation to my sovereignty, today the public says that. Its the same thing. Shirk remains shirk.

Allah says in Surah Maidah:
**
“and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unbelievers.”

**(5.044)

This one Ayah pretty much makes everything crystal clear. If you do not judge by the Law Allah has revealed than you are a Kaafir, period.

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No doubt it is imperative on the Muslim rulers to rule by the Law of Allah (SWT).

Anyway, I had discussed this verse earlier with you and now that you have posted it, I decided to look up it’s tafsir.

First of all here’s the complete verse:

“Verily, We did send down the Taurât (Torah) [to Mûsâ (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allâh’s Will, judged for the Jews. And the rabbis and the priests [also judged for the Jews by the Taurât (Torah) after those Prophets], for to them was entrusted the protection of Allâh’s Book, and they were witnesses thereto. Therefore fear not men but fear Me (O Jews) and sell not My Verses for a miserable price. And whosoever does not judge by what Allâh has revealed, such are the Kâfirûn (i.e. disbelievers – of a lesser degree as they do not act on Allâh’s Laws).[005:044]”

I only looked up the tafsir for “…And whosoever does not judge by what Allâh has revealed, such are the Kâfirûn (i.e. disbelievers – of a lesser degree as they do not act on Allâh’s Laws).[005:044]”

From what I could gather the last bit of the verse was revealed about two groups of Jews residing in Medina when Prophet Muhammad (SAW) arrived in Medina. They wanted to seek his advice, but were only willing to accept it if he gives his ruling in favour of the stronger of the two groups.

In addition, many have also stated that it also applies to Muslims. However, as we know there are different levels of kufr and kurf of this type apparently does not throw one beyond the pale of Islam.

**Source: **Another Reason Behind Revealing these Honorable Ayat

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^-- thanks for that.. i had/have read that too, and there is an excellent explanation by Imam Albani on the issue. Sadly though many extremist groups have used the ayah to indicate that many (all?) muslim figureheads are kafir and that they should be killed/overthrown.

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OK then tell me, what does Allah say about speed limits in a school zone? Seriously, should muslims be able to run red lights because traffic laws are man made?

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^^

Traffic lights are part of the law of a land and do not hinder Islamic obligations...

As far as democracy goes, it's no different than Communism, Nazism, Socialism, Fascism e.t.c....

Man made ideologies which justify their murder of humanity as progress and betterment...

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Islam is also used to justify murder of humanity as progress and betterment by some.

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^^ and your point is?

Its not what the people have to say, its what the Quran says and wht the Prophet did.

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Same thing with various political systems. Its what people have to say (and do), not democracy itself that is responsible for murders.

Vaise, many aspects of democracy are already inherent and permitted under Islam. Islam provides the general guidelines and pointers...how you make policy and execute it to deal with social/economic/etc issues, is up to you. As long as you're not contradicting Islam, its all fine.

So chill. Aren't you living and benefitting in a democratic country, btw?

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Democracy is like the holy grail of the modern world, it's untouchable.

Anything is justifiable if its related to Democracy.

Kill thousands of innocents? No biggie, it's for Democracy.

Usurp basic human rights? Oh wait, it's for Democracy.

Lose track of a few billion dollars in the process of phoney reconstruction? Oh well, what's a few bucks for Democracy?

All this with Muslim nations stumbling over themselves in a hurry to show the world how they are more democratic than the rest. How laughable, considering Democracy has no basis in Islam.

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^^ Read my original post again. (FOR PCG)

I said"

Democracy CAN become a legal form of governemnt if it accepts Allah as the sole Sovereign and thats its rights are limited and that it passes laws only in accordance to the teachings of the Quran and the Sunnah. And this needs to be mentioned explicitly in the Constitution and acted upon.

For that, one needs to know first..what exactly does Islam teach.

We live in a society that cannot even recognize the fitnah of interest, how on earth would we be able to analyze the present governments in the light of the Quran and Sunnah?

What has that got to do with my beliefs?

Just cause i happen part of a system that is wrong, does’nt mean i should blindly start following it? Dictatorships and kingships found in some of the Muslims countries are equally wrong, so living elsewhere will be no different.

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Sharaabi and Sadiyah: :jazak: for such informative posts.

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Just cause i happen part of a system that is wrong, does’nt mean i should blindly start following it?

Well at least you admit that you’re a part of the same system you abhor (notice, I didn’t say “wrong”)…

Vaise, being a part of a system…means you’re following it. Otherwise, you wouldn’t associate yourself with it. :slight_smile:

But dollars mein kamai hori hai. Tho sab theek hai. :k:

:rolleyes:

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On the contrary, I think Sharaabi is part of the groups here who are struggling to change the system itself, meaning abolition of interest based system and all.

If anyone need some info for the struggle to join any org, drop me a PM.

:jazak:

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Amazing. You people run away from Pakistan and don't bother to run any organizations there, but you're bent upon reforming a non-Islamic country to operate on Islamic principles. If only muslims worked with such lagan in their own countries, we wouldn't have 90% of the problems we do.

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no we ran away as part of the plan. we have our brotheren working under the banner of Tanzeem-e-Islami, etc. back home, and we share the load of work in this part of world.:mash:

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PCG, there is no working model of Shariah in the present world? That does’nt mean i should commit suicide so as to stop being part of any of the non islamic systems.

So i would suggest you refrain from passing judgements on someone you have no clue about. and the **Dollars mein Kumayi… **statement was just sick and really paindu of you. Jaisi soch waise bol…

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“And it is known by necessity in the Deen of the Muslims and by the agreement of all the Muslims that whoever follows a Sharee'ah other than the Sharee'ah of Muhammad then he is a Kaafir and it is like the Kufr of the one who believes in some of the Book and disbelieves in some of the Book."

Al-Fataawa, Vol. 28/ 524

-Sheikh ul Islam ibn Taymiyyah

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You are actually making sense PCG…:ahaa:

However, civilizations rise and fall on the basis of its politics…Islam is not a political system it is more of a social system…

I wouldn’t venture to equate political systems with religious systems…

For example, the current war in Iraq was started on the pretext of threat to democracy…

9/11 was done not because Islam was in danger but because Muslims were…

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Islam is actually a complete socio/political/economic system. Its a complete way of life. If it were’nt a politcal system, why would there be such a great emphasis on Khilafah, and on striving to establish Khilafah on all lands.

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^^

Yaara, politics for me has always been something dirty...It's all about gain whether for power, land or greed...

Not to mention when a leader is supposed to be chosen, what dirty tricks are used...

I have always tried to keep politicism out of Islam on my own account...

If you believe that Islam is also a political ideology, then I have absolutely no qualms and don't consider you wrong either...