Re: Delhi needs to chose between Ramzadas and Haramzadas: Indian Minister
seems many people here are equating what Jyothi said and cases involving Togadia, Varun Gandi, Owaisi etc.
Key difference: Jyothi did that while being a central minister. I supported Modi because he is known to hold himself and his teams to a higher standard (which IMO is the beginning of positive change in corrupt India) - this is what was sorely lacking in the Sonia Gandhi government where in fact ministers were held to a lower standard than public.
Modi simply saying move on after the apology is insufficient. A school kid can be permitted to move on after apologising for this remark but not a minister.
Re: Delhi needs to chose between Ramzadas and Haramzadas: Indian Minister
Dr. Subramanian Swamy had a blog on this topic. Guess who he was defending.
Indian Hindus have become increasingly biased. Not all in an openly hateful manner. But it is depressing to read comments on FB. And folks liking his blogs. And Hindus for the most part in agreement with him. With Christians and Muslims on the other side.
if the population was not biased, such tactics would backfire in the elections. Unfortunately, such tactics are cheered on by a majority of Hindus.
Re: Delhi needs to chose between Ramzadas and Haramzadas: Indian Minister
These were some of the reasons what our fore fathers used to quote for opting for Pakistan in 47. That’s another thing that the riots (pre 47) have been replaced by other kind of terror within the country. If India does not take care of its extremist groups I am sorry to say they are following Pakistans path.
Re: Delhi needs to chose between Ramzadas and Haramzadas: Indian Minister
and this is the true nature of a significant chunk of BJPwalas. what economic benefit can you expect out of communal idiots who keep aiming the axe at their own feet?
Correct - a minister that does not know how to communicate is bad enough but this woman's problem I feel is more than just communication. this sort of immaturity at best is a distraction from governance and at worse, very hurtful to a lot of people. She should have the sense to resign.
Modi strikes me as a smart man - I hope his stance is to show he is not going to knee jerk but hopefully he is keeping tab of number of strikes.
Re: Delhi needs to chose between Ramzadas and Haramzadas: Indian Minister
The fear among those who would found Pakistan, was that they being a minority in India, would always be compelled to accept people like Modi as their leader… For what its worth, Pakistan is far from ideal, but the people of Pakistan are the ultimate arbitrators of their own destiny, sink or swim.
Re: Delhi needs to chose between Ramzadas and Haramzadas: Indian Minister
close to 40-45% of population would have been muslims if bangladesh and pakistan were still part of india. can you imagine - TTP vs. RSS. muahahaha
then in that case, this wouldn't have happened...we would have lived peacefully side by side as we had been living for hundreds if not thousands of years.
Re: Delhi needs to chose between Ramzadas and Haramzadas: Indian Minister
close to 40-45% of population would have been muslims if bangladesh and pakistan were still part of india. can you imagine - TTP vs. RSS. muahahaha
There are a lot of what-if scenario's... Its equally likely that there could have been civil wars and mass riots and genocide with Muslim numbers being that high. There is and always has been a very dark and unperdicatble underbelly to the Hindu-Muslim psyche in South Asia. I mean the scale off and the sheer viciousness off the attrocities that have been committed points to people who despise each other from the depths. Perhaps separation was ultimately in everyone's best interest.
Re: Delhi needs to chose between Ramzadas and Haramzadas: Indian Minister
then in that case, this wouldn't have happened...we would have lived peacefully side by side as we had been living for hundreds if not thousands of years.
I dont know about that. Sure there were many who did live peacefully side by side, but then there was also a lot of tension. Along with the niceties of pre-partion India, were also stories of Hindus who would avoid having their shadows cross that of a Muslim for fear of being contaminated, or Hindus in Sindh not being allowed to ride horses as ordered by the Mir's. Now this resentment was somewhat suppressed under British rule, but then reared its ugly head at partiton.
Now a few harsh words are understandable between brothers, but genocide of the scale witnessed at partition doesnt really paint a rosy picture of Hindu (Sikh aswell)/Muslim relations. Clearly, things werent all that happy go lucky, otherwise it wouldnt have been that bad.
Now lets imagine for a second that there were no Pakistan, and Babri Masjid issue reared it head under that context. About 2000 people died in actuality, but imagine there were 5 times the number of Muslims...
Re: Delhi needs to chose between Ramzadas and Haramzadas: Indian Minister
There are a lot of what-if scenario's... Its equally likely that there could have been civil wars and mass riots and genocide with Muslim numbers being that high. There is and always has been a very dark and unperdicatble underbelly to the Hindu-Muslim psyche in South Asia. I mean the scale off and the sheer viciousness off the attrocities that have been committed points to people who despise each other from the depths. Perhaps separation was ultimately in everyone's best interest.
probably.
the problem is, there will always be minorities. you cant cut up the plot into bits to get rid of them. learning tolerance has to happen if you need a nation.
Re: Delhi needs to chose between Ramzadas and Haramzadas: Indian Minister
probably.
the problem is, there will always be minorities. you cant cut up the plot into bits to get rid of them. learning tolerance has to happen if you need a nation.
Sometimes an amicable divorce or separation can spare you a lifetime of grief... And just because you create these barriers, doesn't necessarily mean you cant shake hands or come by for a visit every now and again.
Problem with India and Pakistan is that the divorce/separation was messy and violent, and people haven't moved on as they still haven't decided how their going to divide their assets. Its like India got our big screen tv (Kashmir) and all we have of it is the power cable, so no one can use it... :)
Yeah there will always be minorities... And there will always be exploitation, minorities trying to strike it out on their own... There will be cases where it works out to some extent, other caes where it doesnt. So while we should try to tolearate each other and get along, I dont think getting along necesarilly means living in the same country. I believe we could get along just as well as separate countries with open borders, something akin to the EU. In Islam, it says that men were made into different Nations so we could know each other. I think there is great wisdom in that. Better to live amicably as neighbors then as a squabbling couple.
Re: Delhi needs to chose between Ramzadas and Haramzadas: Indian Minister
no disagreement there, but people who hate each other enough to want separate countries arent going to make the best of neighbors. not until they grow the f up. and with india and pakistan, it will be a long time.
Re: Delhi needs to chose between Ramzadas and Haramzadas: Indian Minister
no disagreement there, but people who hate each other enough to want separate countries arent going to make the best of neighbors. not until they grow the f up. and with india and pakistan, it will be a long time.
That's may be true... But I suppose they can cause a lot less mischief for each other if they are separated then if they are living together.
But there have been signs that the two can get along. There have been many times when they have been close to a resolution only to be rebuffed. Most Indians who visit Pakistan will find the people welcoming and generous. The issue is essentially that of Kashmir. Settle that issue and I think relations will improve dramatically.
I think 60 plus years of independence and the fact that neither is beholden to the other, creates a sense of security and allows for an environment in which relations can improve. But for that one sticking point.
Is this guy from BJP?