Delhi needs to chose between Ramzadas and Haramzadas: Indian Minister

[Southie]

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Also, why was Owaisi - never heard of him or Jyoti for that matter - dragged into this discussion. Classic right wing tactic. Someone else did it. So it is ok for Jyoti to do so. And to pass decision that it is ok for she has apologized.

Disgusting.

[ninja_hattori]

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@KKF

if you live in India, he shouldn’t be making such stupid comments that 25 crore Muslims can kill 75% Hindus. that’s pretty irresponsible thing to say. he is saying all this non sense to please small minority among Indian Muslims who make life miserable for themselves as well as a vast majority of other Muslims just like this woman [Niranjan Jyot of BJP].

Owaisii is NO better than Niranjan Jyoti and he is risking the lives of 25 crore other Indian Muslims. he should be reprimande just like Niranjan Jyoti.

this was not the first time when hate speech was given in india but this was the first by a muslim leader..have you seen police supporting majority during riots?and akbaruddin owaisi was arrested unlike other bjp leaders..have you heard response of praveen togadia to owaisis’s speech..

[KKF]

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you have to take the moral upper ground. you do not stoop so low with the low-lives of BJP et el. i've lived in India for a long time the real value of Muslim leaders. we have a few in my town as well. They are criminals who kill their own brothers [Muslims] when it comes to their own interests. these so-called Muslim leaders are blemish on Muslims. those who support them usually say that these guys protect us during riots. they forget they these are the people who cause riots by inciting Muslims as well. if BJP does it then these people are no different.

it's my experience that Muslims, during BJP [no matter how communal they are] rule in the centre are more safer across India than during the rule of Congress. BJP plays Hindu religious card to get votes because they are hungry for power. once they are in power they have no reason to create communal strife in the nation and hence Muslims and minorities are safer.

Muslims in India must learn to progress in life, learn to be academically competent and stop behaving like fools who play in the hands of fanatic and mindless so-called Muslim leaders.

[ninja_hattori]

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you have to take the moral upper ground. you do not stoop so low with the low-lives of BJP et el. i've lived in India for a long time the real value of Muslim leaders. we have a few in my town as well. They are criminals who kill their own brothers [Muslims] when it comes to their own interests. these so-called Muslim leaders are blemish on Muslims. those who support them usually say that these guys protect us during riots. they forget they these are the people who cause riots by inciting Muslims as well. if BJP does it then these people are no different.

it's my experience that Muslims, during BJP [no matter how communal they are] rule in the centre are more safer across India than during the rule of Congress. BJP plays Hindu religious card to get votes because they are hungry for power. once they are in power they have no reason to create communal strife in the nation and hence Muslims and minorities are safer.

Muslims in India must learn to progress in life, learn to be academically competent and stop behaving like fools who play in the hands of fanatic and mindless so-called Muslim leaders.

Bhai your alma matter AMU most targeted during bjp rule...
Gujrat riots took place under bjp rule and maximum leaders who instigate riots all across india are from bjp then what's the point?

[KKF]

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Bhai your alma matter AMU most targeted during bjp rule... Gujrat riots took place under bjp rule and maximum leaders who instigate riots all across india are from bjp then what's the point?

Congress caused more damage to AMU...who did that? Muslims themselves. Ali Yavar Jang was the man who did it. Sikandar BaKht did it and MC Chagla did it...they were ALL Muslims.

none of the riots you mentioned during BJP rule in the Centre. Modi refutes the charges against his himself and courts never found any proof to indict him. as far as legality is concerned, Modi is not responsible for Gujrat riots.why didn't Congress try Modi or why it did place Gujrat under Governor's rule?

what i am saying is that Muslims should uplift themselves in the society, excel in education, get good jobs and then fight BJP in the courts and in the parliament.

[muqawwee123]

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Akbaruddin owaisi went to jail for what he said did same thing happen with **varun gandhi,adityanath,late.bal thakrey or praveen togadiya? **what owaisi said or not will be decided by court of law as decided in case of varun gandhi who wanted to kill the muslims.as he didn't accept that allegation he is yet to apologies.even all other person mentioned above never apologized. Owaisis's party good or not but you can't blame them for riots like bjp Asaduddin owaisi is real muslim leader

Please enlighten us about what were these upto in secular India?

[ninja_hattori]

@KKF:10202844

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Bhai your alma matter AMU most targeted during bjp rule…
Gujrat riots took place under bjp rule and maximum leaders who instigate riots all across india are from bjp then what’s the point?

Congress caused more damage to AMU…who did that? Muslims themselves. Ali Yavar Jang was the man who did it. Sikandar BaKht did it and MC Chagla did it…they were ALL Muslims.

none of the riots you mentioned during BJP rule in the Centre. Modi refutes the charges against his himself and courts never found any proof to indict him. as far as legality is concerned, Modi is not responsible for Gujrat riots.why didn’t Congress try Modi or why it did place Gujrat under Governor’s rule?

what i am saying is that Muslims should uplift themselves in the society, excel in education, get good jobs and then fight BJP in the courts and in the parliament.
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That’s what owaisi do .all his candidates in maharashtra assembly were educated but you called him hate monger while you openly support bjp.maya kondnani a convict in gujrat riot was made minister by modi in state cabinet.now muzaffarnagar riot accused baliyan is minister in centre. Even pota like law which destroyed lives of thousands of muslims was introduced by bjp.now babu bajrangi accused of naroda patia massacre is on parole.and one sikandar bakht was a bjp member

[ninja_hattori]

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Please enlighten us about what were these upto in secular India?

they made similar kind of hate speech which akbaruddin owaisi is accused of but after several of FIRs no police dared to touch Bal thakrey or praveen Togadiya..
one varun gandhi faced court and court didn't find him guilty might be in same manner owasi will come out clean ;)

[muqawwee123]

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they made similar kind of hate speech which akbaruddin owaisi is accused of but after several of FIRs no police dared to touch Bal thakrey or praveen Togadiya.. one varun gandhi faced court and court didn't find him guilty might be in same manner owasi will come out clean ;)

Parveen Togadiya? A Muslim Lady or Gujrati Man?

[ninja_hattori]

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Parveen Togadiya? A Muslim Lady or Gujrati Man?

Gujrati man...you can watch youtube video?

[muqawwee123]

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Gujrati man...you can watch youtube video?

No. Its a blasphemy in Pakistan

[Southie]

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Parveen?

It is Praveen, pra

[the_kaur]

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Akbaruddin owaisi went to jail for what he said did same thing happen with varun gandhi,adityanath,late.bal thakrey or praveen togadiya? what owaisi said or not will be decided by court of law as decided in case of varun gandhi who wanted to kill the muslims.as he didn't accept that allegation he is yet to apologies.even all other person mentioned above never apologized. Owaisis's party good or not but you can't blame them for riots like bjp Asaduddin owaisi is real muslim leader

That's what owaisi do .all his candidates in maharashtra assembly were educated but you called him hate monger while you openly support bjp.maya kondnani a convict in gujrat riot was made minister by modi in state cabinet.now muzaffarnagar riot accused baliyan is minister in centre. Even pota like law which destroyed lives of thousands of muslims was introduced by bjp.now babu bajrangi accused of naroda patia massacre is on parole.and one sikandar bakht was a bjp member

The real Muslim leader supports BJP in Maharashtra, the very same party on whose hatred they strive upon. Even Arundhati and Geelani haven't gone to jail even after calling for sedition, this is what is called Topi-Drama in punjabi.

The point that I wanted to raise here wasn't communal-bashing, it is India that has to learn to deal with such creatures before Indian law.
'Court would decide about something ', tell me one case they could

[ninja_hattori]

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The real Muslim leader supports BJP in Maharashtra, the very same party on whose hatred they strive upon. Even Arundhati and Geelani haven't gone to jail even after calling for sedition, this is what is called Topi-Drama in punjabi.

The point that I wanted to raise here wasn't communal-bashing, it is India that has to learn to deal with such creatures before Indian law. 'Court would decide about something ', tell me one case they could

but akbaruddin owaisi went to jail that's the point....
what is the proof that MIM supported bjp other than shady headline from mid day?
come on at least give me a single proof that mim supported bjp in maharshtra assembly

[ninja_hattori]

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owaisi speaks for muslims that's what irks lot of indian politicians
kashmir observer maliciously planted a story about owaisi then apologized for it...

[the_kaur]

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but akbaruddin owaisi went to jail that's the point.... what is the proof that MIM supported bjp other than shady headline from mid day? come on at least give me a single proof that mim supported bjp in maharshtra assembly

So did Lalu, many a times for scam and all. Going to jail is not the point, nor do I wish to raise communal ruckus here. Bhidranwale started in akbaruddin way only and so did this Babri-rubble rousers. If going to jail absolves him and makes him true muslim leader than abusing and asking for pardon makes her hindu leader as well. How does two wrongs make a right?

[ninja_hattori]

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So did Lalu, many a times for scam and all. Going to jail is not the point, nor do I wish to raise communal ruckus here. Bhidranwale started in akbaruddin way only and so did this Babri-rubble rousers. If going to jail absolves him and makes him true muslim leader than abusing and asking for pardon makes her hindu leader as well. How does two wrongs make a right?

i called asaduddin owaisi true muslim leader not akbaruddin...

and going to jail means at least govt took action against him while it allowed hindu hate mongers to roam freely...
why bring lalu here that is out of the topic...you want to question indian judiciary that's a separate issue then...
for your info lalu went to jail faced trial and got convicted and can not fight elections..what else you want..:D

but did bal thakrey ever attend a single hearing of court and praveen togadiya was provided with security while he should be arrested like akbaruddin owaisi...

and my point is double standard one while dealing with accused muslim other while dealing with accused hindu hate monger..

and i dont know a lot about bhindrawale but he never fought democratic elections like owaisi...a single accusation and you equating owaisi with bhindrawale....:D

[Arleitter]

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The state dealt with Mr.Bhindranwale.

A couple of years ago there was an attempt on Mr.Akbaruddin's life.Luckily ,he survived.

[Southie]

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So did Lalu, many a times for scam and all. Going to jail is not the point, nor do I wish to raise communal ruckus here. Bhidranwale started in akbaruddin way only and so did this Babri-rubble rousers. If going to jail absolves him and makes him true muslim leader than abusing and asking for pardon makes her hindu leader as well. How does two wrongs make a right?

If you didn't wish to raise a communal ruckus here, you would not have inserted Owais here. You would not have dismissed Jyoti remark by saying - she apologized. So matter closed.

As for your last sentence, indeed, two wrongs don't make a right. That is why bringing Owais into this thread was inappropriate.

Once in a while, when a Hindu states something despicable, just acknowledge it. And hold that Hindu accountable. That is how you promote communal harmony. Not by making equivalencies - that serve as thinly veiled justification.

:)

[KKF]

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as i said earlier, Muslims in India always choose wrong leaders for them. these politicians are usually politican goons, saRak-chhaap GhunDas. they make a few fiery speeches and lo and behold jaahil 'awaam puts him on their shoulder. what these leaders are do best is to create hatred and become popular among Muslims and then they become just GhunDas...nothing else!

hate speeches are bad no matter who makes it. there should be consequences for what they say, Muslim or Hindu or any other.

Muslims in India should play smart. should elect/select clean and educated leaders and then resolves differences and problems through negotiations. there is no gain in inciting hatred and delivering hates speeches and cause problems for the same people they claim to be helping.

we all must participate in India's progress, enjoy economic boom and respect each other.