Define Divine Love

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Let's pick up a specific topic first - let's analyse the character of RasoolAllah (SAW) ... are you ready?

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as-salaamu alaykum

Bismillah


that's fine insha'Allah but ironically you continue to ask me questions.


double checks if he's wearing a shirt or flying a flag with a wahabi logo on it - sadly he doesn't find any. runs to store to buy a t-shirt with wahabi logo

Could you please lend me your telescope to spot all these wahabis so I can save myself from them? Or how about giving me some tips to recognize them? I take it that you're favourite word is wahabi - may Allah bless you.

If being a wahabi means following the Qur'an and the sunnah according to the understanding of the salaf then that's an honor and I am proud of it.


Al wala wal bara is about allegiance and disposition - hating the sin and one doing it is just one part of it. I'm sure you know that but I'm just iterating for benefit. Do you know what's the difference between shari love & natural love and shari hate & natural hate? Because if you don't then you can't understand why your shaykh is wrong.

Please you don't have to listen to me, an "angry full of hate wahabi", but you could at least pay heed to this "wahabi" in the Qur'an:
There has already been for you an excellent pattern (example) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, "Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah. We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone" except for the saying of Abraham to his father, "I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah. Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination [Surah Al-Mumtahina(60):4 - interpretation of the meaning]
I suppose we can agree that Abrahim (alayhi as-salaam) was just another "wahabi". But I'm not sure how you would categorize Allah Azz wa Jal, who told us that this "wahabi" is an excellent example for us.


what hate? Did you feel the hate coming your way from me? And does it look to you that all wahabis reside in me?

and Allah knows best

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Nisha, I think a lot has already been said in this thread and its been a nice discussion. There have been tangents but some very good ones as well.

Its been a while since I've visited this site but I still feel like commenting in this thread.

The very first thing I would like to underline is the terminology "unconditional love". We first need to understand what exactly love is all about before we set the conditions for it. Love has many connotations such as lust, desire, affection, welfare, sentiments etc. Most of the time when discussing this with someone who is not muslim, their understanding encapsulates love in the form of human characteristics and they tend to measure the conduct of Allah SWT by the same yard stick as they would measure other humans. This is the first premise where reconciliation between opinions of muslims and non-muslims (who do not understand the concept of God) becomes a moot point.

Our prophet SAW demonstrated the boundaries of what it means to be unconditional love from the perspective of a muslim in many aspects of life. And this does not mean that other prophets did not do so, all prophets of Allah SWT have demonstrated this is some capacity in their times and in their original teachings.

In your first example, where you mention how can one love another human who tortures them or abuses them. I agree this is a very difficult emotion to understand when you hear us say that we should still love them for the sake of Allah SWT. I fail to understand how such a person could be a sadist for loving their tormentor, a sadist is the one who loves or enjoys infliciting cruelty. I think you got this the other way round. Loving such a person would not mean to approve of his actions but to pray and ask for his welfare so that Allah SWT may guide him. Its the love you should feel for seeing another human going to waste by virtue of his misguided and hideous actions. I would say emotion not love. You would experience two conflicting emotions, one of hatred so that the person could be brought to justice for his actions and one for welfare so that he may be corrected and not harm others. How you choose to show your emotions should be circumstantial and contingent on consequences. A brief example can be quoted from the life of the Prophet SAW when he was bruised and beaten in the city of Taif, when he exited the city angels came to him asking for his approval to crush the city with the mountains which surround it. The emotion which the Prophet SAW chose to act upon demonatrates a connotation of love for which he cared about. He chose to spare them in hopes that they might one day become muslims and believers in Allah SWT. It was his love for humanity in that they should be given the chance to benefit from the teachings of Allah SWT in the future rather than be eluded of that chance. So love has many facets but what defines it is the emotion upon which it is based upon and what consequences you look for from it.

As for your second example about catastrophes. Its interesting that you mention about questioning. I would imagine there hardly exists a human being who does not question what happens around them and tries not to understand their part in it. If you keep up with your questioning I'm sure you can ponder upon the answers you come up with, do these phenomena happen because Allah SWT is intentionally orchestrating them upon us (not to say that Allah SWT cannot or has not or will not change the course of nature when need be) or is it because of the way the universe operates and interacts. Allah SWT has set the operational boundaries for this universe and has allowed us to question, ponder and think about what happens in nature and to infer from it. If you build a house in a floodzone and one day your house gets washed away, would you find peace in saying that Allah SWT does not love you or by accepting the consequences of living in a floodzone. Can you say that Allah SWT does not love us just because their exists forces of nature around us which our human power and intelligence cannot control and we often fall victim to? We live in a universe where we are not the most powerful and there are consequences of interactions between forces which are more powerful than us, these are things which are understood by questioning, by taking those horse blinders off not by saying that Allah SWT should also love us unconditionally. Allah SWT has created a universe for us which is more than enough to keep our intellect busy, all He SWT asks us is to recognize his role in it and His SWT role in creating us while we peck away at his universe and his creations including ourselves.

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HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW also took part in wars and killed people and on the other hand he also forgave many people so what should we look at I think we could see that most people who were forgiven were people who were in makkah and HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW was also at that time in makkah and in makkah there was no order of hitting back I mean Jihad so when Hijrah took place and Jihad was made farz on muslims they killed many people for blashmey and also in wars and they killed on the orders of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW

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Welcome back brother Zarvan Ali ... :)