Deeply disturbed desi family

I’m still in shock upon hearing this sad news about a family I know as aquaintences. I’ve met them a dozen times and been to their home as a dinner guest several times. As an outsider I observed that they were not particularly close actually quite disconnected from eacother. There was always an air of unease, as though they tiptoed around eachother. The women were always hiding in the kitchen. The kids were alway in their bedrooms. But as I learned more details about the abuse and violence, I became more afraid for the kids. The two older daughters have been cut off by their dad, financially, emotionally, completely. The oldest one has filed a restraining order on him and is paying her own way through law school. There are still 3 highschool age kids at home though.

I can’t go into details about his wife and what she’s been through. Hospitalizations, medication, psychiatry, insanity, misery. Nor can I give too much info on his affair with another woman, whom he brought home with him. There are too many scary details. I can hardly believe this is real. I am so upset for this family that I thought I knew. The dad put up such an act, a facade of being so nice and sweet. He seemed like such a soft person that it shocks me that his kids were so tortured. The girls were keeping this family secret inside of themselves for so long and now it finally came out. I just don’t understand this Jeckyl and Hyde way of living. I’m going to see the dad tomorrow and how can I say Salaam to him? I have to pretend I don’t know anything. But I’m the kind of person whose face tells everything. I am just so sad for his kids. I wish I could help them.

where do they live? if u r in toronto. i know a place where the women n kids can get help.

Saima,

Why do you have to say more than salaam? do you muslim duty, say salaam and that's it. I can't abide by people like that and feel that it's better to keep my distance from such individuals.

ugh...his poor kids and family.

Amelie, I agree. I don't plan on saying more than Salaam. But i just mean, looking at his face and knowing it's an act will bother me. Anyways, I'm praying for his family.

Suroor, no, they're not in Toronto. I'm in NY and they are in this area too.

If she has seen a psychiatrist about this, why haven't other agencies been involved? Child/adult abuse can be reported. I advised one of my friends who was being abused by her husband to get a job and move out. Now her husband treats her fabulously. She wasnt willing to do it, but with encouragement from her friends she did move out, though shes only been in this country a year or so. I think you should perhaps advise your friend/acquaintance.

And there is a lot of help out there available. I used to work for state agency that saw such individuals on a daily basis, and its not as difficult as it may seem, apart from the emotional blackmail thats involved.

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I hate those who allow themselves to be victimized. One needs to stand up to abusers.

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Easier said then done...abuse mentality and the house these girls were raised in makes it very difficult to stand up, open society or not.

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*Originally posted by Madhanee: *
I hate those who allow themselves to be victimized. One needs to stand up to abusers. The dad in this case should be made a pinata and the kids should beat the daylights out of him. If they can’t do it living in an open society, imagine what must families go through in closed societies. There’s no excuse for this kind of abuse to go on.
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hate is a strong word.. you dont know thier logic.

saima since you know this family- I think you should talk to his wife.If she and the kids have had such a miserable life- then I think they are better without him.It doesnt seem like there is a possibility of him changing his ways for the better.I would say that talk to the wife- and tell her its best if she left him or something.Its never easy, but you already pointed out how hard her life has been so far.I think she deserves better- and more time with this guy will only cause more harm.
Abusive men should be killed I swear.

the daughter studies law and she cant do anything about this??

they should seek help from relatives and friends... its just so disgusting that this sort of stuff happens so close to home.. the daughter studying law should also get some advice from her mentors, they can really help... its just disgusting honestly... men like this should be jailed

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*Originally posted by amelie: *
I can't abide by people like that and feel that it's better to keep my distance from such individuals.
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You're right, if it's a family who you aren't so close to, it is sometimes better to keep your distance, but if they've confided in you, then maybe you'd be doing them a favor by being around them. I do agree with Madhanee, not on how those who are being abused allow themselves to be victimized (because unless you've been in a situation where you've seen someone being abused, you wouldn't understand the kind of emotional pressure they're being put under; it's enough to make the strongest of us falter) - but that the father should be made a pinata.

I found the following article at soundvision.com a while ago:

11 tips if your friend is a victim of domestic violence in the West
by Sound Vision Staff Writer

If you have a friend who is the victim of domestic violence, you're not alone. Relatives and friends are those who victims will confide in in these situations. But don't feel helpless as your relative or friend confides in you about the abuse. There are practical things you can do to help at this time of trial and difficulty. Here are some tips:

  1. Listen

This is one of the most important things you can do. Remember that they are confiding in you while they have kept this problem a secret from others. Find a quiet place where you can talk safely and without interruption. Encourage them to talk about the abuse.

  1. Believe them

Do not deny the abuse is happening. Do not judge them. Show them that you support them no matter what they decide to do about their relationship, whether it is staying with or leaving the abusive partner on a temporary or permanent basis or not doing anything about it.

  1. Respect them

Show your friend that you respect their ability to handle this situation and their ability to cope with it. This can help them regain their own strength and build confidence to deal with it.

  1. Respect their feelings

In cases of domestic violence, victims need their feelings validated. To ignore the abuse and sweep it under the rug is wrong and will only serve to keep their feelings inside and the problem to worsen. This is dangerous and destructive.

  1. Do not advise

As difficult as it is, it is necessary to do this, especially when your friend first confides in you. The best thing to do is to help your friend reach their own decisions about what to do and when to do it. Help them identify their own options and consequences which might follow. For instance, mention that if the victim does not seek help, she is exposing her kids to abuse as well. Just spell out the options without forcing her to take a specific step.

  1. Tell them they are not to blame

This is important because blame is how the abuser often justifies the abuse. Let them know that no one has the right to abuse another. Tell them what you have learned about spousal violence and cycle of violence. Remind them that Allah does not allow a man to abuse his wife.

  1. Discuss safety

Talk to your friend about shelters and other safe places. Discuss how to obtain their services and tell them about creating a protection plan (see tips for victims of domestic violence in the West for more details).

  1. Encourage them to seek help

Persuade them not to ignore the problem and to deal with it for the sake of themselves and their family. Accompany them if they need your support to places like shelters, legal aid, etc.

If you have an Imam you can trust to deal with this situation appropriately, encourage them to seek his help first. It is more likely your friend will feel comfortable with an Imam and an Islamic center than in mainstream social services.

  1. Do NOT speak to the partner

This is a big no-no and can worsen the situation. If the abusing partner finds out you know about the situation, he will most likely get even angrier and take it out on the abused partner more than before, as a punishment for telling others about the problem.

  1. Keep in contact with them

One of the things abusers do is isolate their victims from family and friends. This makes it easier to perpetrate the domestic violence, since there is no one around to object. Keep in contact with your friend as much as possible, by phone or e-mail at least, to ensure that she has a link with the outside world and that she is not alone, suffering in silence.

  1. Dua is connecting with the All-Powerful

Dua (prayer) connects you with the most Powerful one, our Creator. Please make special prayers for your friend who is going through this turmoil. Our beloved Prophet has said that your prayer for a person increases love between you and that person. May Allah's peace and blessings be upon him.

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hate is a strong word.. you dont know thier logic.<<

Muniya, let’s hear what you know about their “logic”.
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how would I know what the woman was thinking?
Maybe she's afraid of what people would think if she got divorced.
Maybe she has no way of affording herself or her family without the jerk, maybe her parents back home arent willing to accept her in the family if she is divorvced... maybe she loves or loved her husband and keeps hoping for him to change.

There are allot of factors that she must think about.. no one likes to be abused...

You really can't make such statements, and assume that you know what it's like for someone who's going through something like that unless you've seen it for yourself.

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*Originally posted by Madhanee: *
Muniya, that’s too many may be’s. add one more may be: she is nuts to be living in a such a situation and needs to get the hell out of there. May be it will work. Only may be.
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first of all whats with your tone? Calm down..

you really havent ever been in the situation have you? So shhh...
All I'm saying is that you should try and understand her view and not "hate"

Socho woh kithni takleef may ho gi..

Doesn't surprise me one bit.

I know of this couple where the hubby is the mellowest fellow you will ever meet. He is very gentlemanly, smiles a lot, talks slowly and very caring of the people around him. Well, guess what?. His wife came out in public recently telling her close friends and family of the horror stories she has been through. He would beat her up almost daily. How do you explain that?

It's kinda odd, but they tend to be that way don't they? With the rest of the world, they're so calm, and often come across as passive or even a little submissive.

Allah na karay what if it was your ammi? You’d put her into a meat grinder? :hoonh:
very nice.

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*Originally posted by Munni: *
If she has seen a psychiatrist about this, why haven't other agencies been involved? Child/adult abuse can be reported. I advised one of my friends who was being abused by her husband to get a job and move out. Now her husband treats her fabulously. She wasnt willing to do it, but with encouragement from her friends she did move out, though shes only been in this country a year or so. I think you should perhaps advise your friend/acquaintance.

And there is a lot of help out there available. I used to work for state agency that saw such individuals on a daily basis, and its not as difficult as it may seem, apart from the emotional blackmail thats involved.
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It is amazing that nobody has 'caught on' yet. But the women are so isolated in the home that it was only under extreme emergency that she was taken to the hospital. Her husband didn't take her. Her visiting sister took her. But it seems that her family knows everything that goes on and does not want to become involved. They are turning a blind eye to all of this.

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*Originally posted by Muslim_Queen: *
saima since you know this family- I think you should talk to his wife.If she and the kids have had such a miserable life- then I think they are better without him.It doesnt seem like there is a possibility of him changing his ways for the better.I would say that talk to the wife- and tell her its best if she left him or something.Its never easy, but you already pointed out how hard her life has been so far.I think she deserves better- and more time with this guy will only cause more harm.
Abusive men should be killed I swear.
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That's a very simple solution and seems good to do. But this wife is literally going insane. Her daughter says that she can't remember things for 5 min. Her daughters are trying to make her get a divorce and take their mother with them. But the girls are so young and can barely support themselves that it's a real struggle right now.

i knew someone like this, but in the end her father killed her mother

they need all the help and duas they can get, i just hope they get out of there before something really terrible happens