[quote=““Holy Lota””]
Bari der ki mehrban aate aate
This @batameez ji had already defined earlier. Boby iz not just a troll. He is a certified troll. You know the one who gets chappair, chittar etc but still dont stop trolling. Yani wo bigra hwa case jiske lye na dua ki jasakti hai ya dawa.
Joke is on anyone who takes him serious and tries replying him in any sensible way
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:k: 
[quote=““Sheeda Pistol””]
This kind slugfest thread with bongiyaan and taunts is more suited for cafe. Move it thete.
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Agree 100%.
What is his thread doing in religion and philosophy?
It would be sad to separate religion from our way of life as Islam is a way of life not confined to namaz, roza and hajj and the day people realize that we wont have biryanni eater cricket team and a population dying of coronary disease.
Salat not being accepted doesn’t mean that if he makes the salat, he is not absolved of his obligation. It means that he won’t get the reward that is otherwise promised for it but the salat that he prayed won’t be counted as a missed salat.
They didn’t technically steal any money. They might have cheated to get it. The way they got it would be unethical but it’s a bit far fetched to say that they stole it. The Prohpet (SAW) also said something to the effect that the difference between iman and kufr is salat. Some scholars have been more lenient on this point, where they say that a person is not taken out of the fold of Islam by simply not praying, but they do so when they deny it being an obligation.
Otherwise, on the basis of the same hadith, Muslims in different parts of the world will inquire if someone used to pray before praying at their janaza.
Let alone a child molester judging a man for having a girlfriend, I’ve seen all kinds of people who judge where they have no business in doing so. Somehow we make it a bigger problem if the person judging also happens to pray or openly observe any religious practice.
To clarify again, I am not condoning taking from welfare when you can be working. Or any of the wrong things you’ve caught Nasir, Yusuf, Talha, Umar, Saeed or Abbas (insert any other Muslim name of someone you know) doing. However, just because someone who prays is involved in any sin doesn’t make prayer any less important for me, you or anyone else claiming to be Muslim. Just like you promote sports and fitness, and even there there are self serving people who will do all kinds of horific things. The way you’ll point out molvies and abuse by them over those on whom they are in a position of authority, sports coaches here have been caught doing similar things to those whom they’ve had a position of authority over. Does this mean that we should therefore shun sports? Or that sports and fitness should be banned, abandoned or not encouraged just because people involved in them also do wrong things?
Yes, Islam is a complete way of life that provides guidance for every aspect of life. Now what is this tona totka mantar jantar? What is taweex gundda? You’re using terminology I don’t remember hearing from any religious scholar or authority here. Istikhaara has been recommended to get clarity in making decisions and there is even masnoon dua for it, so it is very much part of the religion.
Fine, it’s not *confined *to namaz, roza, zakat and hajj, but these are still essential duties of a Muslim that are not dminished in their importance by so and so that you know who also commits welfare fraud. Just because people hold these things as being important doesn’t mean that they confine the deen to just those practices. I don’t see a problem with a cricket team eating biryani, especially if it doesn’t adversely impact their performance. I’d rather have a sports team that eats (halal) biryani than one that drinks. Obesity and related diseases are a problem here in general and not limited to “our” community.
[quote=““Captain Obvious””]
Salat not being accepted doesn’t mean that if he makes the salat, he is not absolved of his obligation. It means that he won’t get the reward that is otherwise promised for it but the salat that he prayed won’t be counted as a missed salat.
They didn’t technically steal any money. They might have cheated to get it. The way they got it would be unethical but it’s a bit far fetched to say that they stole it. The Prohpet (SAW) also said something to the effect that the difference between iman and kufr is salat. Some scholars have been more lenient on this point, where they say that a person is not taken out of the fold of Islam by simply not praying, but they do so when they deny it being an obligation.
Otherwise, on the basis of the same hadith, Muslims in different parts of the world will inquire if someone used to pray before praying at their janaza.
Let alone a child molester judging a man for having a girlfriend, I’ve seen all kinds of people who judge where they have no business in doing so. Somehow we make it a bigger problem if the person judging also happens to pray or openly observe any religious practice.
To clarify again, I am not condoning taking from welfare when you can be working. Or any of the wrong things you’ve caught Nasir, Yusuf, Talha, Umar, Saeed or Abbas (insert any other Muslim name of someone you know) doing. However, just because someone who prays is involved in any sin doesn’t make prayer any less important for me, you or anyone else claiming to be Muslim. Just like you promote sports and fitness, and even there there are self serving people who will do all kinds of horific things. The way you’ll point out molvies and abuse by them over those on whom they are in a position of authority, sports coaches here have been caught doing similar things to those whom they’ve had a position of authority over. Does this mean that we should therefore shun sports? Or that sports and fitness should be banned, abandoned or not encouraged just because people involved in them also do wrong things?
Yes, Islam is a complete way of life that provides guidance for every aspect of life. Now what is this tona totka mantar jantar? What is taweex gundda? You’re using terminology I don’t remember hearing from any religious scholar or authority here. Istikhaara has been recommended to get clarity in making decisions and there is even masnoon dua for it, so it is very much part of the religion.
Fine, it’s not *confined *to namaz, roza, zakat and hajj, but these are still essential duties of a Muslim that are not dminished in their importance by so and so that you know who also commits welfare fraud. Just because people hold these things as being important doesn’t mean that they confine the deen to just those practices. I don’t see a problem with a cricket team eating biryani, especially if it doesn’t adversely impact their performance. I’d rather have a sports team that eats (halal) biryani than one that drinks. Obesity and related diseases are a problem here in general and not limited to “our” community.
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For Eg cleanliness is nisf iman yet they will spend energies in honour killing while living in an ocean of feces
Wow!!! honestly lying about your income and defrauding the tax payer is not stealing, yupp!! that is the mentality that justifies this behaviour. IT IS FRAUD AND IT IS THEFT. Theft is taking something of value that does not belong to you. If you have an income or money and property and you lie on your forms that you have noone and than become eligible for welfare is theft and fraud.In case of Nasir if he was not working and had no income, no bank balance than it would not be a theft. He had an income and he declared he has none, he had hundreds of thousands in savings and he declared he had noone so this lying to cheat the tax payer is not stealing?
I dont think a sports coach tells me that I will go to hell lol. Sports coaches are not the gate keepers of heaven and hell here and we will punish them if we catch them.
In the documentary these lorry drivers judging people over hijab openly admitted to raping children and noone was arrested.
As per my interpretation a haram khoors namaz, roza is not accepted, a child molesters prayers are not accepted, a liars and a frauds prayers are not accepted..
The purpose of namaz is that you be God fearing and dont transgress.
[USER="116873"]Captain Obvious[/USER] people don’t like to be judged by hardcore religious people as it seems that many firebrand religious people are not sincere with the faith and show good character many are involved in child molestations, lying, cheating, rishwat milawat. I wouldn’t give a harsmkhor the right to judge me. I work very hard and the haram khoors steal my hard earned tax dollar
I’m not saying that lying that you don’t have income and then getting welfare is not wrong or fraudulent. I’m saying that I’m not sure I’d call it theft. You’ve already mentioned what the punishment for theft is. As per Hadith, people who beg to increase their wealth have a separate punishment described for them. It is fraud, yes, but I don’t know that it would fall under theft. If these people were to be audted and caught, how would they be penalized? This is more of a legal question, which I don’t have a definitive answer to, but I doubt they would be charged with theft. From what I’ve heard, the CRA would publish their names, how much they owe but I don’t know that they would be prosecuted for theft. If a beggar were to ask me for something and I gave it to them thinking they were needy where they turned out not to be, while I would consider it fraud and cheating, I wouldn’t consider it theft.
Sport coaches are not the gatekeepers of heaven and hell, but neither are the molvies, who will also be subject to punishment if they were to get caught doing wrong, at least over here.
A lot of people’s prayer may not be accepted, but they still need to absolve themselves of its obligation. At least this much will be achieved by those who commit the sins that you’re mentioning but also observe prayer. Someone who doesn’t observe salat, citing those who pray then do such and such sin as an excuse, would not be presenting a valid excuse either.