Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
I believe CIA agents like that nuisance Raymond Davis were/are also directly behind creating instability in Pakistan. CIA itself has been double dealing all along. There is relative peace in Pakistan ever since those CIA spies in the garb of contractors were kicked out by the Pakistan Army.
By the nature of their work, spies are secret.
So how do you know CIA secret spies are here or not??
Sounds like another 'blame America for our own problems conspiracy theory'.
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
If establishment and generals are responsible for promoting Taliban in FAT then why have Taliban attacked and killed so many of our soldiers, why have they had suicide attacks on ISI, why then army has broken them into several groups?
Because army stopped promoting Taliban in FATA afterwards. This is why they retaliated against army and the state of Pakistan. And this is why suicide attacks increased.
Suicide attacks did not increase to avenge US invasion but to avenge reversal of Pakistan's policy of supporting them.
One good thing Musharraf did was to purge army of Taliban supporters among their ranks. This has had a tremendous effect on army's policies towards Taliban.
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
Because army stopped promoting Taliban in FATA afterwards. This is why they retaliated against army and the state of Pakistan. And this is why suicide attacks increased.
Suicide attacks did not increase to avenge US invasion but to avenge reversal of Pakistan's policy of supporting them.
One good thing Musharraf did was to purge army of Taliban supporters among their ranks. This has had a tremendous effect on army's policies towards Taliban.
There were no Taliban in FATA before Musharraf, TTP came into existence after american invasion. The article qouted blame the army to collaborate with Taliban after the war on 9/11, try something other twisted logic.
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan’s Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
Perhaps Pasha has given him assignment .
When Pakistan is trying a little .
The friend of Munter is there to tell them that nothing to worry , I am here .
His ex-boss Mush has also reached there .
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
I believe CIA agents like that nuisance Raymond Davis were/are also directly behind creating instability in Pakistan. CIA itself has been double dealing all along. There is relative peace in Pakistan ever since those CIA spies in the garb of contractors were kicked out by the Pakistan Army. So army gets the biggest credit IMO
Agents like Raymond are part of the human intelligence network. They also, act as Target Acquisition specialists or help recruit them. I believe, the coordiates needed for drone attacks are identified by these folks. Now, Target acquisition specialists are part of special ops teams as well.
They are part of war strategy, NOT there to implement huge conspiracy to destablize Pakistan, like many of the conspiracy hungry Pakistanis would like to believe.
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
A destabilized Pakistan would be more dependent on the US aid and supply routes, hence open to more dictation from the US. But hey, lets dismiss all of it as conspiracy theory, as we would have taken it to the UN if it was true.
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
These attacks were done by people supported by Taliban. Like al Qaeda.
There was also various other forms of terrorism happening in the country by similar Taliban affiliated groups.
There was terrorism in the country before US invasion. It just was not directed towards military.
Al Qaeda in 1995 wasn't even linked to the Taliban. And no that was all sectarian. Please don't abuse history because you have a warped sense of reality.
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
Agents like Raymond are part of the human intelligence network. They also, act as Target Acquisition specialists or help recruit them. I believe, the coordiates needed for drone attacks are identified by these folks. Now, Target acquisition specialists are part of special ops teams as well.
They are part of war strategy, NOT there to implement huge conspiracy to destablize Pakistan, like many of the conspiracy hungry Pakistanis would like to believe.
In that case these agents are not welcome in Pakistan because this is a clear breach of our sovereignty.
And if there is any truth in what you are saying, then why did the Pakistan army become so concerned about the activities of these agents that it asked them to leave the country?
Apparently ex-Pak ambassador to US, Haqqani was issuing visas to US contractors/agents like freebies (which PA was very unhappy about and quite rightly so). Thank god he has been removed...
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
In that case these agents are not welcome in Pakistan because this is a clear breach of our sovereignty.
And if there is any truth in what you are saying, then why did the Pakistan army become so concerned about the activities of these agents that it asked them to leave the country?
Apparently ex-Pak ambassador to US, Haqqani was issuing visas to US contractors/agents like freebies (which PA was very unhappy about and quite rightly so). Thank god he has been removed...
Why Pakistan was concerned? May be they were protecting someone...even if that was not the case...if US could target Al Qaeda today, what would stop them doing a favor to India by eliminating one or two of these LET (sorry Charity organization) targets tomorrow.....so paranoid
And you know what happened to Haqqani....removed from the job based on allegations of a very dubious (to say the least) figure.
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
Because army stopped promoting Taliban in FATA afterwards. This is why they retaliated against army and the state of Pakistan. And this is why suicide attacks increased.
confusion on TTP and Taliban remains for some people even after 10 years.
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
Al Qaeda in 1995 wasn't even linked to the Taliban. And no that was all sectarian. Please don't abuse history because you have a warped sense of reality.
al Qaeda was very much part of the future Talibanic soldiers since the days of Soviets.
There were several sectarian attacks before 2004, with training and blessings provided by Taliban in Afghanistan. This was terrorism by Taliban BEFORE the US invaded their mufsid government.
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
confusion on TTP and Taliban remains for some people even after 10 years.
TTP and Taliban Afghanistan are very much the same people. This distinction is only created by some people because people in Pak have first hand knowledge of fasaad by Pakistani Taliban. Otherwise all of them have the same fasadi origin.
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
al Qaeda was very much part of the future Talibanic soldiers since the days of Soviets.
There were several sectarian attacks before 2004, with training and blessings provided by Taliban in Afghanistan. This was terrorism by Taliban BEFORE the US invaded their mufsid government.
No it wasn't. Read Al Qaeda by Jasan Burke, any of Ahmed Rashid's books or anything by Bergen. Educate yourself.
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
There were no Taliban in FATA before Musharraf, TTP came into existence after american invasion.
Just because they were not using the name "Taliban", doesn't mean that Pakistani Taliban did not exist. They may not have been named Taliban at that time but everyone knows where their sympathies were.
There was no Taliban by name in Pakistan before Musharraf because Pakistani ISI was actively supporting Afghan Taliban in their fasaad in Afghanistan. Actually they were created by Pakistan ISI itself. This is why there was no need for them to have a separate organization with this name.
But when ISI stopped their support to Afghan fasaadis then it infuriated their fellow fasaadis in Pakistan. And that's when they started calling themselves Pakistani Taliban.
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
No it wasn't. Read Al Qaeda by Jasan Burke, any of Ahmed Rashid's books or anything by Bergen. Educate yourself.
Yes it was. People like Osama entered Afghanistan in Soviet days.
Besides, the point of this thread is Talibanic terrorism before 2004, which Imran refutes. And this is why I said this: There were several sectarian attacks before 2004, with training and blessings provided by Taliban in Afghanistan. This was terrorism by Taliban BEFORE the US invaded their mufsid government.
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
Imran:
"The time has come to not only remove all militant groups, disarm them but also a de-weaponisation in Pakistan"
Imran is saying that he will disarm the militant groups. That's very noble. But does anyone believe that these groups will disarm voluntarily? No. If any attempt is made then they will resist fiercely by initiating more terrorist strikes across the country.
Actually, this is what Pakistan army did. We were supporting Taliban once but later we started going after them. Taliban retaliated by conducting relentless suicide attacks across Pakistan.
So this actually nullifies one of Imran's own argument. He says that terrorism in Pakistan due to US invasion. But in reality it became worse only because Pakistan stopped supporting them and started going after them.
Peace khoji
Well yes ... you can convince a people to give up their weapons if you show them that you are not a threat to them and if you are yourself de-weaponising.
Re: Deconstructing Imran Khan's Taliban narrative - Farhat Taj
^ You are either being naive or being deliberately untruthful. Their fasaad is for the establishment of their dictatorship in the name of khilafat. These people consider democracy kufr and people disagreeing with them as kafir.
They killed thousands of majority shias and sunnis in Pakistan at the time when there was no America and when Pak government was supporting them. This itself shows that their fasaad is not because any harm was done to them. Instead they are the perpetrators of terrorism against Muslims.
There is no way to convince people with this mentality.
