Debate over the Prophets Passing (PBUH)

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Debate over the Prophets Passing (PBUH)

@Sa1eem

Brother, without any hard feelings, before replying to you, I should mention that Aqeedah (beliefs) you follow (I believe is Wahabi or Wahabi influenced Deobandi ageedah) is different than mine (Sunni Aqeedah). Worse is that, we both have people who consider that Aqeedah of other is misguided or kufr. So, please stop judgmental, as, even though some may be showing restraint and keeping quiet, be assured that you are getting judged too in same way you judge others.

Brother Saleem, Worry not. There are no hard feelings from me – only soft feelings and I can vouch the same from you.

Let me state from the outset that I consider myself Muslim first and last. My aqeedah is that of Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamah – and this is only to dissociate myself from unorthodox Muslims.

I am not adventurous in matters of faith, so I take my faith from Quran, Sunnah of the Blessed Prophet (peace be upon him) (only from authentic sources), Ijma of the Blessed Companions (may Allah Almighty be pleased with them all) of Blessed Prophet (peace be upon him) and the pious four Imams (rahimullah ajmaeen). Does this make me a Wahabi??? I think you are being judgemental here!

@Sa1eem

So, please stop judgmental, as, even though some may be showing restraint and keeping quiet, be assured that you are getting judged too in same way you judge others.

So my Brother, it is you who is being judgmental.

I didn’t try to label you – you are free to believe what you like, judge me as you like, label me as you like. And you have my permission to take off your ‘restraint’ an dish out whatever you want to your heart’s content.

As your Muslim brother it is my duty to point out to you if you have erred drastically and committed a blasphemy against Allah Almighty!

Read what you had stated:

@Sa1eem

^^^ For a pious person and also Prophets (AS), including Prophet (SAW), the day of death (day of Inteqal or Wisal) is more auspicious and holy, deserving celebration, than day a pious person were born. Reason is simple, that is:
The day of birth is the day pious person enters this world of test and his test starts (when he reaches a certain age) … or if the concerned pious persons are Prophet (AS) then they enter a task to guide those who are misguided. But when they leave this world, they get to their creator (Allah) and that is the most blessed day for them (leaving this world of test and turmoil).

That is why followers or students of a pious Saint celebrates the day Saint left this world (they call that day Urus), and not the day Saint was born.
Celebration on the day Saint left this world is called ‘Urus’ because it is this day Saint meet (marries) his Creator. Urs is word derived from world Urussa (bride).

You really BELIEVE that a pious ‘Saint’ on his death “Saint meet (marries) his Creator”!!!

You must fear Allah Almighty what you have attributed to Him!!!

*Who does more wrong than one who invents a lie against Allah to lead astray men without knowledge? For Allah guides not people who do wrong. Quran Chapter 6 Surah Anaam Verse 144

Who is more unjust than one who invents a lie against Allah or rejects his signs? Quran Chapter 7 Surah Aaraf Verse 37*

@Sa1eem

I would respectfully ask you and all here on the forum, that only thing one should do is discuss if one wants to, mention beliefs, defend one’s beliefs if one wants to, question and try to understand beliefs of others, convince others if one can with references from Quran or sources other would accept, or keep quiet.
Anyhow, I believe that however misguided a person maybe (your or me), all would like to follow Islam with sincerity, and thus purpose of discussion is to learn from each other, so that we avoid living in ignorance, and save ourselves from after death consequences.

I agree with you whole-heatedly – I didn’t attack your brelavism or your sufi saints – I was not even being judgmental about your beliefs – But it is shocking to me that anybody from Muslims can believe that Allah Almighty marries the saints on the day of their death.

Re-Read what I wrote to you

@Ibn_Sadique

This is sheer blasphemy brother: You are insulting Allah almighty in your ignorance and you must turn to Allah Almighty and seek repentance from what you have written! Allah Almighty is above what you have attributed to Him

Allah Almighty doesn’t need any brides and neither is He a bride to anyone?

Where have got this stuff from? Quran? Ahadith?

@Sa1eem

Now coming to your post: What I wrote above is neither blasphemy nor kufr, rather what I wrote is Sunni belief (and I think Shias belief too). Anyhow, as you asked, I would clarify the issue along with proving from Quran and hadith importance of day a pious person dies.

Please can you give me source of your information – What you wrote is not the belief of any Muslim, whether Sunni or Shia.

Let us clarify the above – It is of utmost importance.

Then ONLY we can move on to the other points raised by you. And believe you me, all can be refuted easily from the Quran, Sunnah of the Blessed Prophet (peace be upon him) and the actions of the Blessed Companions (may Allah Almighty be pleased with them all) of Blessed Prophet (peace be upon him). I wish I had the time, but alas