Debate over the Prophets Passing (PBUH)

Re: Debate over the Prophets Passing (PBUH)

Brother, without any hard feelings, before replying to you, I should mention that Aqeedah (beliefs) you follow (I believe is Wahabi or Wahabi influenced Deobandi ageedah) is different than mine (Sunni Aqeedah). Worse is that, we both have people who consider that Aqeedah of other is misguided or kufr. So, please stop judgmental, as, even though some may be showing restraint and keeping quiet, be assured that you are getting judged too in same way you judge others.

[Note: Most Muslims consider Wahabis as Mujassamis with corrupt beliefs… in other words idol worshippers and misguided … but I am not going to argue on that].

I would respectfully ask you and all here on the forum, that only thing one should do is discuss if one wants to, mention beliefs, defend one’s beliefs if one wants to, question and try to understand beliefs of others, convince others if one can with references from Quran or sources other would accept, or keep quiet.

Anyhow, I believe that however misguided a person maybe (your or me), all would like to follow Islam with sincerity, and thus purpose of discussion is to learn from each other, so that we avoid living in ignorance, and save ourselves from after death consequences.

Now coming to your post: What I wrote above is neither blasphemy nor kufr, rather what I wrote is Sunni belief (and I think Shias belief too). Anyhow, as you asked, I would clarify the issue along with proving from Quran and hadith importance of day a pious person dies.

It is obvious, that no Sahabi who loved Prophet (SAW) would have celebrated this event, as even though occasion of ‘wisal’ is blessed event for Prophet (SAW) … as Quran mentions that day prophet (AS) die is blessed day … because Prophet (SAW) after fulfilling worldly duty, left this world of turmoil and joined creator (Allah), it was also a day when people who loved Prophet (SAW) lost company of Prophet (SAW). One can easily understand what I wrote from hadith very clearly. I will prove that from Quran too.

Sahi Bukhari …Book #56](http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=56&translator=1&start=0&number=820), Hadith #820](http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=56&translator=1&start=0&number=820#820): Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his fatal illness, called his daughter Fatima and told her a secret because of which she started weeping. Then he called her and told her another secret, and she started laughing. When I asked her about that, she replied, The Prophet told me that he would die in his fatal illness, and so I wept, but then he secretly told me that from amongst his family, I would be the first to join him, and so I laughed."

Bukhari …Book #57](http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=57&translator=1&start=0&number=62), Hadith#62](http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=57&translator=1&start=0&number=62#62)
Bukhari … Book #59](http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=59&translator=1&start=0&number=718), Hadith #718](http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=59&translator=1&start=0&number=718#718)

Sahi Muslim … Book #031](http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=031&translator=2&start=0&number=6003), Hadith #6003](http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=031&translator=2&start=0&number=6003#6003): 'A’isha reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) called his daughter Fatima (during his last illness). He said. to her something secretly and she wept. He again said to her something secretly and she laughed. 'A’isha further reported that she said to Fatima: What is that which Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to you secretly and you wept and then said to you something secretly and you laughed? Thereupon she said: He informed me secretly of his death and so I wept. He then again informed me secretly that I would be the first amongst the members of his family to follow him and so I laughed.

Muslim … Book #031](http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=031&translator=2&start=0&number=6004), Hadith #6004](http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=031&translator=2&start=0&number=6004#6004)
Muslim … Book #031](http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=031&translator=2&start=0&number=6005), Hadith #6005](http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=031&translator=2&start=0&number=6005#6005)

From above hadiths, it is clear that Fatima (AS) cried when Prophet (SAW) informed her (AS) that he (SAW) is leaving this world.

Did she (AS) cry because Prophet (SAW) was leaving this world?

Obviously, not … as that is also cleared from hadith.

She (AS) cried because she (AS) would lose Prophet (SAW) company.

How can one tell?

Because when Prophet (SAW) told her (AS) that she (AS) would join him (AS) soon, She (AS) Laughed (showed joy … and that also on news of own forthcoming death), as she learned that the separation from her (AS) father (SAW) would be short, as she (AS) would join him (SAW) soon.

From above hadith one can see that there is no reason to cry (or get unhappy) on death of someone other than due to losing the company of the person dying. Secondly, death only takes a person to Allah and loved ones that died earlier. It also means, death takes a person close to those they love who passed away.

Thus, it is clear that people do not show happiness on someone’s death whom they love, is due to two reasons.

1: Loss of company.
2: If people are sinner then fear of punishment.

But, for later generation, death of past pious person has none of the above two elements, as there is no loss of company, and as one believes that the person who died is pious than fear of punishment is also not there.

Rather, a third element comes in, that make the event worth celebrating, and that is, death of pious person frees him from worldly hard time and turmoil, gives him pleasure of Paradise and company of his creator

Example from real life:

1: When a girl marries and leave her parents’ house to join her husband, parents and girl both cry. It is crying not because girl is going to hell, but it is felt that company of girl at home is ending. But after initial crying, the day becomes day of happiness.

2: When a child goes abroad (or far away) to study (even on scholarship), parents become sad … obviously not because child is going abroad (or far away) to study but because of separation. But in reality, that separation is a good event that parents as well as child understands and consider day of happiness later on.

Same is with death of a pious person (Saint). For those who lost the company of beloved Saint, event is of grief and sorrow (not due to death, but because of lost company). On the other hand, Saint who dies, the death is day of happiness as his death releases him from worldly pain, miseries, turmoil and test, and since the person is pious, his death would bring him nearness to Allah and pleasure of Paradise. So, later generation, who loves that Saint, were not there to lose his company or accepted his separation, celebrates his death anniversary as day the person met his creator, hence blessed day. This day is called Urs.

Let prove what I wrote from Quran, where Allah says that people who are sinner love long life and people who are pious look for death:

Quran:
2:194 … Say: If the future abode with Allah is specially for you to the exclusion of the people, then invoke death if you are truthful.

2: 195 And they will never invoke it on account of what their hands have sent before, and Allah knows the unjust.

2:196: And you will most certainly find them the greediest of men for life (greedier) than even those who are polytheists; every one of them loves that he should be granted a life of a thousand years, and his being granted a long life will in no way remove him further off from the chastisement, and Allah sees what they do.

In above ayahs, Allah is telling Jews (2:149) that if they think they are special (they are pious, blessed, or are forgiven) and love abode with Allah (be in the company of Allah), then they should invoke death for themselves. Further Allah says that (2:195) these people would not ask death because they are sinners and they know that. In ayah (2:196) Allah says that people (Jews) who do not want death, rather want to live thousands of years, they are greedier for life than polytheists.

[They are worse than Polytheists in desiring death (as mentioned in Quran 2:196), is because Polytheists have little faith on Allah, life after death, and punishment … but these people (Jews) have faith on Allah, life after death, and punishment for their sins. So knowing their deeds/sins and chances of punishment after death, their fear for death increases … and greed to live longer develops, as people who know what awaits after death wants longer life, so that time may come in their life that they correct themselves, ask forgiveness from Allah for their bad deeds/sins and might get forgiven … that is what they wish, though normally it does not happen.

As for polytheists, they do not think about life after death and punishment that awaits them, and thus many enjoy their worldly life without caring about death, thinking that death is end … kaput]

Anyhow, ayah shows that death is desirable for those who are pious (as it is blessed day for pious, and also Prophets), as death make them abode with Allah, but undesirable for sinners.

That is the reason … we can see in Quran Allah mentioned day of death as blessed day, with reference to two prophets (AS) … though it is true for all Prophets (AS) and all Saints:

Yahya (AS): Allah mentions that the day he was born, the day he would die, and the day he would be raised again, are days of peace on him (are blessed days for him).

Isa (AS): it is mentioned in the words of Isa (AS) that the day when he was born, the day he would die, and the day he would be raised again, are all days of peace on him (would be blessed days for him).

Quran 19:15 … Allah saying about Yahya (AS): And peace on him on the day he was born, and on the day he dies, and on the day he is raised to life

Quran 19:33 … Isa (AS) saying about himself: “So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)”!

Allah says about Yahya (AS) that … the day he would die is blessed day for him
Similarly, Isa (AS) says about himself, that … the day he (AS) would die is a blessed day for him.