*One of the oldest patients we have requested lethal dosage. He is 99yrs old, a hospice, & don’t wish to continue his life. Death with Dignity Act has been approved couple of years ago in only 3states OR, WA, MA. Physician assisted suicide is allowed if the person has an ill condition& a chance to die within 6mon. Kind of sad that we have to tell our caregivers to administer the dose upon his request&abide the law. That’s what he wants :(… He is a cheerful person. I guess being old, dependent, unmovable & useless must be crappy :(((…
Are you a supporter of Death with Dignity Act? People don’t want to involve religion in their decision making. We Pakistani most likely wouldn’t agree with it solely based on that reason.
Being super old and sick with a harsh disease has definately played a major role in establishment of this act. Some people would like to control their deaths.*
Hmmm I can understand the reasoning for wishing for a death before getting immobile.
Ideally though one would like to go out on a charge or one last blaze of glory... if thats not possible than to dissapear is better still. I think one should never request death from another... but seek it if your that desperate, for yourself. Its not worth troubling others.
Hmmm I can understand the reasoning for wishing for a death before getting immobile.
Ideally though one would like to go out on a charge or one last blaze of glory... if thats not possible than to dissapear is better still. I think one should never request death from another... but seek it if your that desperate, for yourself. Its not worth troubling others.
i dont agree with the act mainly for islamic reasons, however, a lot of times people are kept alive on mechanical ventilators and such and then they have to make a decision wheb to remove the support and if thats ethical. i dont know but i dont see anything wrong islamically if someone chooses not to be on mechanical vent or chooses DNR..someone correct me if im wrong.
Hmmm I can understand the reasoning for wishing for a death before getting immobile.
Ideally though one would like to go out on a charge or one last blaze of glory... if thats not possible than to dissapear is better still. I think one should never request death from another... but seek it if your that desperate, for yourself. Its not worth troubling others.
your comment honestly sounds like you havent seen an old person dying in the hospital "its not worth troubling others". ..only a physician can write such an order, a patient cant just get up and do it for themselves and physicians never make this call without family discussion. others will definitely be involved and should be involved.
I come from a long line of men who died violent deaths at a young age. Only my father is the exception and he isn't exactly someone I ever looked up to. For a start he took a completely different route to tradition and whilst I dont blame him for choosing to make himself an easy life. I still want to live by the old ways.
I agree death in old age is a terrible thing and many patients suffer horribly to the extent that even speech can be difficuilt. I pray I never get that old and if someone heaven forbid I get a terrible injury that cripples me from the neck down... I would want my sworn brethren to leave me in a very high and cold place back home. I would hate to be a burden.
All in all its a much more troubling thing for me to comprehend death in such a manner... to die old is one of my greatest fears.
as a Muslim, i believe that sickness and sufferings get your sins pardoned by Allah...we all sin [both major and/or minor] knowingly and/or unknowingly so i would prefer to be punished in this world rather than in the hereafter. it doesn't mean that we must not seek treatment to lessen our pain N sufferings. i would rather leave the matter to Allah...killing or consenting to be killed is a murder and it's Haraam in Islam...life is a sacred trust!
from purely worldly point of view and if i were NOT a Muslim, i would like to end my life rather than suffer!
since i know this life that i have doesn't belong to me so i've NO right to take it...let Allah decide because it belongs to him:
inna lillaahi wa inna ilaihe raaje'oon...AND...Allaho 'aalam bissawaab! :)
its a very grey area. on the one hand ive never been an advocate of assisted suicide. on the other hand, if one is not content with thier life, who are we or the state to stand in thier way?? we live in a litigation culture now where anything that may seem inappropriate from the outside is straight away dealt with legal action without putting urself in that persons shoes. theres too much "intervention" just for the sake of it - if that make sense. probs not Lol.
i dont know but i dont see anything wrong islamically if someone chooses not to be on mechanical vent or chooses DNR..someone correct me if im wrong.
you are absolutely right. In fact fatwa that i heard of is this that when you remove the life support, you are not inserting any foreign object, or removing any vital organ of the person, so that is not a murder/suicide.
you are absolutely right. In fact fatwa that i heard of is this that when you remove the life support, you are not inserting any foreign object, or removing any vital organ of the person, so that is not a murder/suicide.
prolonging life unnecessarily and killing a talking person [able to give his consent] are miles apart...if a person is clinically dead then it's of course alright to remove the life support system [it was done in the case of one of my close relatives] while killing a person who just doesn't wanna live because of his/her pains and sufferings is murder/suicide/assisted suicife...whatever you call it and it's totally Haraam in Islam!
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i personally consider prolonging a clinically dead person's life is in a way interfering in the death process...brought upon by the orders of Allah!
so what is Islamic ruling on it? If one is in so much pain or suffering for life threatening ailment - what is the difference in Islamic ruling of refusing to take your meds that keep you alive versus taking the pills that will start the dying process.
so what is Islamic ruling on it? If one is in so much pain or suffering for life threatening ailment - what is the difference in Islamic ruling of refusing to take your meds that keep you alive versus taking the pills that will start the dying process.
seeking treatment is incumbent on a Muslim and it's refusal is considered committing suicide...the bottom line is: life is a sacred trust from Allah and one must do whatever is in his/her reach/control to save it...as i said before the reason to end life due to pain/suffering is NOT valid and hence committing suicide/consenting to assisted suicide is Haraam in Islam while, having said that, to seek treatment to lessen pain is incumbent upon the patient and his handlers.
initiating death by any means is Haraam!
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since none of us here is an aalim to the best of my knowledge, one must consult with an aalim before deciding to act relating to issues of immense importance.
"Death with dignity ". Why is everyone assuming an elderly patient will be the only one under this clause , an athlete who can no longer play his game , anyone deprived of a life he had will fall into this category we studied a vast number of cases when I was doing law & the biggest debate was on whether it violated human rights , because if we have the right to live do we not have the right to die/take our life?
As far as i know the courts didn't allow it. I see a major flaw in this law & that is the fine line between who is accepted under the umbrella of this law. 12.7 million people are unemployed in the U.S alone as of 1st June 2012. How many thousands must be depressed seeing no way out. Why not include them too? IN a TV in interview a couple of months back a dweller from the outskirts of Karachi actually told the news that " I pray everyday that a bomb blast kills us , at least then our misery will be over instead of being buried alive under the price hike".. Will it not be death with dignity for them then?
My grand- mum passed away at 88 a couple of months back. And I would take 1 more day, one more hour-to see her again because for the people that loose them, it's never enough.
"Death with dignity ". Why is everyone assuming an elderly patient will be the only one under this clause , an athlete who can no longer play his game , anyone deprived of a life he had will fall into this category we studied a vast number of cases when I was doing law & the biggest debate was on whether it violated human rights , because if we have the right to live do we not have the right to die/take our life?
As far as i know the courts didn't allow it. I see a major flaw in this law & that is the fine line between who is accepted under the umbrella of this law. 12.7 million people are unemployed in the U.S alone as of 1st June 2012. How many thousands must be depressed seeing no way out. Why not include them too? IN a TV in interview a couple of months back a dweller from the outskirts of Karachi actually told the news that " I pray everyday that a bomb blast kills us , at least then our misery will be over instead of being buried alive under the price hike".. Will it not be death with dignity for them then?
My grand- mum passed away at 88 a couple of months back. And I would take 1 more day, one more hour-to see her again because for the people that loose them, it's never enough.
sorry to hear about your loss...may Allah bless her soul and place her in the highest echelons of jannat and grant you the strength to bear the pain...aameen!
there is NO dignity/indignity in dying...it's just a process...it's a vehicle that takes you from one world to the other...let's you meet your creator and then face the justice...ham sab gunehgaar haiN aur Allah nihaayat mehrbaan aur reHm karnewaalaa hai...uskii reHmat agar shaamil-e-Haal rahii to iA yeh safar bhii tai ho jaayegaa...aameen...jo us dunyaa meN kaamiyaab huaa vo is dunyaa men bhii kaamiyaab rahaa!
that a bit harsh. So many people refuse to go see a doctor in Pakistan.
I don't think that considered to be suicide. laziness, denial but not in the proximity of suicide.
laziness and slack is NOT the same as denying a treatment...i was talking in terms of denying a treatment...just an example...some people might refuse blood transfusion or organ transplant and if that person dies as a result of his refusal, he may be deemed to have committed suicide in the eyes of religion because he must have sought treatment in order to save his life.
What about opiates? They aren't life saving drugs. They're used to help some end stage cancer patients manage pain. Are they Halal, because they aren't actually curing the person, they're just providing relief just like assisted suicide would.