Refeerring to a news item in “Daily Jang” and BBC, Mullah Omar of Afghanistan imposed death penalty for anyone who converts from ISlam to any other religion.
Is this kind of Fatwa or practice supported by Quran, Hadith or scholars?
BELIEF IS NOT WHAT MIND POSSESSES, BELIEF IS WHAT POSSESSES THE MIND!
The islamic ruling is:
Call the converter towards Islam atleast three times and when it doesn't work... kill teh converter thru Islamic Judiciary System...
Wama Alaina Illal Balagh
You (Muslims) are the best nation ever raised among the mankind: (because) you
advocate righteousness and FORBID EVIL, and you believe in (one) GOD (ALLAH).
**Sitaaron Pay Jo Daltay Hain Kamand!**
Shaheen=An Eagle or A Flacon!
(And yes it's a **MALE* Shaheen ;-)*
where did this ruling come from?
If some one adopts a religion according to his understanding and thoughts, if he/she is wrong, he/she will be punished by God, why should other play God?
In the same context Many sunnis consider shias as Kafir and vice versa and many convert to the other sect(shia to sunni and vice versa). So they should be killing each other?
How can this be justified in present judiciary system?
Belief is not what mind possesses, it is what possesses the mind!
Hello analyze it
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bhai maray!
this has been discussed here long before…
check this… hope this’ll help!
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/001537.html
Sitaaron Pay Jo Daltay Hain Kamand!
Shaheen=An Eagle or A Flacon!
(And yes it’s a MALE Shaheen 
Thanks Shaheen for referring to the earlier discussion. I was not aware of that and this news just came up today.
So I guess we should close the topic. It looks boring now after reading the previous thread.
Belief is not what mind possesses, it is what possesses the mind!
** Hello Gadha**
Belief is not what mind possesses, it is what possesses the mind!
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Originally posted by analyze it:
**Thanks Shaheen for referring to the earlier discussion. I was not aware of that and this news just came up today.
So I guess we should close the topic. It looks boring now after reading the previous thread.
**
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Did u read all of that???
You (Muslims) are the best nation ever raised among the mankind: (because) you
advocate righteousness and FORBID EVIL, and you believe in (one) GOD (ALLAH).
**Sitaaron Pay Jo Daltay Hain Kamand!**
Shaheen=An Eagle or A Flacon!
(And yes it's a **MALE* Shaheen ;-)*
I read most of it but I kind a usually get bored when there are very long cut and paste type stuff. There should be a limit to the length of post.
I guess that thread was not going anywhere and actually “converted” to different topic and became(murtid)so it should have been killed(closed).
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Belief is not what mind possesses, it is what possesses the mind!
[This message has been edited by analyze it (edited January 08, 2001).]
It is generally believed that an apostate is punishable by death. This prevailing concept about apostasy, I believe, has arisen by not understanding a hadith. This hadith has been narrated by Ibn-i-Abbaas in the following way:
"Execute the person who changes his faith." (Bukhari: Kitab Istatabatul-Murtaddeen)
Our jurists regard this verdict to have a general application for all times upon every Muslim who renounces his faith. In their opinion, this hadith warrants punishment by death for every Muslim who becomes a disbeliever. In this matter, the only point in which there is a disagreement among the jurists is whether an apostate should be granted time for repentance, and if so what should be the extent of this period. The Hanafite jurists though, exempt women from this punishment. Apart from them, there is a general concensus among the jurists that very apostate, man or woman, should punished by death.
This opinion of our jurists is not correct. The verdict pronounced in this tradition does not have a general application but is only confined to the people towards whom the Prophet (sws) had been directly assigned.
They shoot partypoopers, don't they?
[This message has been edited by Mr Partypooper (edited January 09, 2001).]
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Originally posted by Mr Partypooper:
This opinion of our jurists is not correct. The verdict pronounced in this tradition does not have a general application but is only confined to the people towards whom the Prophet (sws) had been directly assigned.
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Brother, can you kindly shed light on what is the basis of your conclusion that the application is only confined to the people towards whom the Prophet (PBUH) had been directly assigned?
They shoot partypoopers, don't they?
[This message has been edited by Mr Partypooper (edited January 09, 2001).]
Why does Islam needs you to kill a convert?
Please don't tell me because it is said in Kuran? What is the logic??
** Dear brother Partypooper**
What do you make out of the following Hadeeth:
The following hadith is attributed to Hazrat Ali Bin Abi Talib (the Fourth Righteous Caliph):
Narrated 'Ali:
No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."
Volume 9, Book 84, Number 64: Sahih Bukhari
Do you really believe Ali could have said this, while the Quran says that death can only be given in two cases... where a person is guilty of murder and where a person is guilty of creating unrest in the land... which one of these two crimes does a person commit if he really feels that a religion other than islam is truer?
Take care guys...
By the way what sort of twisted logic is this that anyone who converts to islam - even if only to marry his beloved - is to be honored, while anyone who converts out of islam - even if only for submitting to whatever he believed to be true - is condemnable and does not deserve to live...
Should a person REALLY close all sources of input and all efforts to get to the truth, in the fear that he may find islam to be false and, thus, be forced to live the rest of his life in hypocricy or be killed...
Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 64
Brother, we consider Sahih Bukhari an authentic book.
There is more discussion on this topic, check out the following link:
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/001537.html
[This message has been edited by Musalman (edited January 09, 2001).]
mpai,
try this for your answer…
http://www.understanding-islam.com/rp/p-003.htm
Musalman,
I agree with shocked this is the most most barbaric way of keeping people in your fold.
Who care what Bakhari said. By imposing death sentence on people who leave Islam, it is dening individuals right to choose and also it is keeping people in your group by use of sword.
If Islam is such a great religion as you claim it is, it should have no need to keep followers by imposing death sentence, followers should flock to it. On the contrary it seems that muslims are scared that followers will run away, hence the death sentence.
musalman,
'authentic' or 'error free'?
If you believe it is 'error-free' then on what basis?
Do you believe 'Sahih Bukhary' enjoys the same characteristics, which the Quran has mentioned as solely its own?
I would still request you to check out the URL I have given above...