Wonderful to see how GS is your ultimate resource to feel so proud of yourself over pathetic gibberish. Is this your sleep medicine? awwwww …
The reason to bring up punishment for adultery was just an example to tell you that being a complete muslim also asks for belief in rajam. and if you believed in it, since you were so adamant on finding out whether the people part of the study were “really” muslims. it was not meant for sidetracking the subject as YOU did, and are now accusing me of derailing the thread. please go back and read. as for my annoyance at that point which caused you to be irritated and now are eternally irritated, i beg for an apology. i hope this would calm you down. an apology does not belittle anyone. only if you knew really what i’ve had to go through. but you dont have to. this forum is full of stuff that has left me completely gobsmacked of what people think like. eye opener really.
but it’s also funny how people like you try to bring “others” into light and try to squeeze themselves back into the shadows. who cares if the hindus or the jews commit honor killings. clean your own house first.
what you asked wasnt of any profound importance that it needed a dissertation on my part. questioning “what is a muslim” is silly. and that is what you were aiming to do. a question that would wipe the entire population off the planet.
but since you’re so itching for me to talk about bukhari and rajam … well … here it is:
- Volume 8, Book 78, Number 629: * Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid:
Two men had a dispute in the presence of Allah’s Apostle. One of them said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Judge between us according to Allah’s Laws.” The other who was wiser, said, "Yes, O Allah’s Apostle! Judge between us according to Allah’s Laws and allow me to speak. The Prophet said, “Speak.” He said, “My son was a laborer serving this (person) and he committed illegal sexual intercourse with his wife, The people said that my son is to be stoned to death, but I ransomed him with one-hundred sheep and a slave girl. Then I asked the learned people, who informed me that my son should receive one hundred lashes and will be exiled for one year, and stoning will be the lot for the man’s wife.” Allah’s Apostle said, “Indeed, by Him in Whose Hand my soul is, I will judge between you according to Allah’s Laws: As for your sheep and slave girl, they are to be returned to you.” Then he scourged his son one hundred lashes and exiled him for one year. Then Unais Al-Aslami was ordered to go to the wife of the second man, and if she confessed (the crime), then stone her to death. She did confess, so he stoned her to death.
i know there are several other hadiths where both are given equal punishment. but what is in the book apparently doesnt matter. go look for atefah sahaleh. there is an entire documentary done on her by BBC.
and to get to the more substantial source, the Qur’an:
yusuf ali’s translation:
24:2 The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
hilali khan’s translation: (one that has taken over yusuf ali’s and is the common one now)
24:2The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse – lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.
hilali thought … hmmm … why not make it difficult. and like this, stoning will remain in tact.
**BUT: (over slave women in marriage)
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Hilali
4:25…]But once they are sheltered in marriage, if they should commit adultery, then for them is half the punishment for free [unmarried] women…]
yusuf
4:25…]when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women…]
now. whether these are tribal traditions that are just tribal, or have taken root from some place in the judo-Islamic tradition … you can judge for yourself.
**according to the Quran, a free, chaste, believing woman is forbidden to a believing man who has committed adultery, and vice versa. but in today’s world, where so many men and women commit adultery, tell me … who asks during the rishta-parade .. beta, my daughter is a virgin, are you? cuz otherwise, the marriage would be illegal. and like plenty of desi men abroad who have their fun and then go home looking for a virgin … then nobody cares. because it is to somebody’s advantage, a.k.a the larka ki family … who are somehow superior in role and weight to the girl’s family. i could bring several examples in .. but then you’ll see, i’ve derailed the thread.
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**i hope you’re at peace now, and can go back to the actual topic and stop coming back with adultery and hudood yet again.
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