Dead OR Alive

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Sometimes in a storm of deceit, lies, mind conditioning and intellectual propaganda, a common man will loose his way and start following the wrong doctrine.

My simple question to my brother Muslims is quite straightforward.

  1. Mullah Dadullah was a Muslim, although he might have some concocted ideas derived from religion and tradition but at least he was following the main fundamentals of Islam.

  2. Mullah Dadullah belonged to Afghanistan, which means he was a citizen of Afghanistan, born and bred there.

  3. Thirdly Mullah Dadullah was fighting an enemy that has occupied his country, and to top it all of, the occupying force is Non-Muslim.

So the simple question that every Muslim should ask himself “Is Mullah Dadullah a “shaheed” or a terrorist”** The answer would enlighten the Muslims to understand this “War on Terror” in a larger Perspective.**

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Dead OR Alive

There are no universal good and bad guys - it all depends on whose side you are on.

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Do you know what a Shaheed is?

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Last I checked the holy book of the Muslims, That is the “Quran” the three points I highlighted , makes you Very Much a shaheed.

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Do the main fundamentals of Islam include murder, torture and kidnapping? The dude was a mass murderer and even tried to kill a Pakistani parliament member. The simple question should be... just because someone claims to be a pious Muslims, is he excused from commiting attrocities because he is fighting non-Muslims?

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You forgot the one point that makes you a shaheed, you have to be a martyr in the cause of Allah SWT, which means your enemy must be fighting you for because you are professing the truth ascertained by Allah SWT. There is a very thin line here though.

Just because you are muslim and you are fighting does not make you a martyr or shaheed. Today muslims use the word so loosely that it has lost its significance and purpose behind it.

Was Mullah Dadullah's fight to preserve the deen of Allah SWT? The reason for the fight must be opposition to your belief in Allah SWT. Your enemy must have set out to fight you because of your belief in Allah SWT not any other reason. The war in Afghanistan is nationalistic not Islamic.

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So why did the Us troops not take part in getting Kashmir freed from an evil occupying force, or Palestine , since 40 years, or Chechnya, on the flip side why did they help east Timor to get independence? But probably your feeble mind will overlook all that as you are a US-Resident.

It was in 600AD when the when Islam was in its infancy, and the only war that the Muslims could get into was when they were not allowed to profess the truth ascertained by Allah SWT, but mind you! Even In that time and age it was defensive. and now even its defensive.
(BTW: since the ousting of the Taliban’s, alcohol supermarkets have opened up in Kabul, ask any one who lives there, Now that is something against the ascertained rules of Allah )

Here some parts of the Quran for you, which in essence mean if a NON Muslim force oppresses you , fight them in the name of Allah

(XLII) : 39,40,41) And those who, when an oppressive wrong is inflicted up0on them , (are not cowed but) help and defend themselves, after a wrong done to them, against such there is no cause to blame.

(XLVII : 35) so do not falter and cry out for peace when ye (will be) the uppermost, and Allah is with you, and He will not grudge (the reward of ) your actions.

(III :28)* Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Who so doth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourself against them, taking (as it were) Security.*

(IX :123)* O Ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know Allah is with those who keep their duty(unto Him).*

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The two things are mutually exclusive, If Non Muslims enter his land as occupiers and he dies trying to get them out he is very much a shaheed. For the wrongs he has committed in society he should be tried by “shariah” law and punished.

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So his kudos for killing occupiers trumps his evils as a mass murderer of innocents? Aren't there just as many verses/hadiths/traditions/fatwas that speak to the evils of killing innocents? There should be.

If that was the version of of Islam/Muslim land he was defending does that make him anything other than a mass murderer cloaked in cleric's robes practicing a warped and sick version of Islam?

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The only people he killed, that I know of, were Nato/american soldiers, Now If you are saying that the US soldiers were innocent, Blahdy Hell!....(Then a guy who enters my house in the middle of night shoots my family is also innocent)

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I am not aware about Dadullah in detail so cant really contribute to the main topic.However i dont think the war on Afghanistan is nationalistic. Its very much theoratical.

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No I don’t agree...
You can give all the quotations you want to from the Holy Quran, but the point being, lets look at it with a larger standpoint, If God forbid, he(Talibans) would have come back in Power , Like before they would have destroyed Afghanistan, create havoc across the country, and taken Afghanistan back into dark ages. So keeping religion and holy wars out of the equation I think good that he died.

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Well then you should know about the man before you declare him shaheed. As I stated, the question should be just because someone claims to be a pious Muslims, is he excused from commiting attrocities because he is fighting non-Muslims?

Just because he is Muslim and just because he is fighting an occupying non-Muslim force doesn't automatically qualify him as some hero or saint. Don't be so quick to judgment without knowing the facts.

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theological you mean?

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You lost me here. Btw are you muslim?

Your point is what? Your reply is not coherent enough to make sense w.r.t. what I had said.

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These ayat still do not touch upon the point of being shaheed. Not every muslim who dies fighting a non-muslim is shaheed, if that is what you think?

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u mean winning side or losing one…:snooty:

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I lost you, BS! Blahdy hell! You are incoherent and trying to snake your way out of a sticky situation.
The only thing that is incoherent is the fact that you are a but what ever you do at the end of day you are and following the same religion as the Taliban’s. The best way out for you is to abandon Islam.:) but still you wont be able to do anything about the color.:)

(Let me put it in bold) Anyone who is a Muslim, and another force (Non Muslim) occupies his/her country, and he dies defending his/her motherland is a shaheed.CLEAR!!!!!!

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It wasn't just Laden or anyone else in my opinion. USA had a massive problem with the lifestyle of Taliban. They prescribed to a certain version of islam and USA wasn't very pleased with that hence the war.

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Aap ke jawaab se aap ke auqaat ka andaaza ho gaya hai .... from your perspective all suicide bombers are shaheed.

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errr no, taleba had been around for years, and as far as lifestyle of taleban goes, nto too much diff from what goes on in KSA.

it was about the O I L from the stans.