These games are a farce. The side who loses the toss and has to bat under the lighhts has virtually no chance. I said this before Pakistan lost to England nad right now England are struggling to lay a bat on the ball against India under the freak conditions when night sets in.
Beefy Botham has started whining now that it’s England’s turn to suffer but in any case I think these games are going to have a big outcome on who qualifies. They might as well spin a coin to decide who wins - why bother with the match? It’s a foregone conclusion from what I can see.
Conditions are not fair to both teasm in a matc and thats ridiculous. Day night games are usally fine in Austrial and India where conditiosn dont change.
I m not saying that Pakistan would have won had it a day game but the margin certainly would ahve been lesser then this one. Our batting still sux but tht match totally destroyed whatever confidence they had.
I m sure next day nighter Sri Lanka WI will aols be affected the same way. UNLESS the teams batting first gets out for a really low score say around 150.
The ball is simply vicious in its swing…look at bowlers like Nehra (even part-timers like Ganguly) getting the magnitude of swing that they are getting right now
However, having said that, india today has a far more disciplined bowling display than any seen in earlier matches.
Winning the toss has become all the more pivotal now…i hope Waqar gets at least that right (to begin with). Aameen
Lets not take away India's impressive display, I thought they bowled well regardless of lights but I agree, the lights do make a difference in this match.
Th latest: The Aussies have started whining about the possibility of having to play their semi as a day/night match. They're considering having the match moved .....
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Lets not take away India's impressive display, I thought they bowled well regardless of lights but I agree, the lights do make a difference in this match.
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No one is denying the performance of Nehra. Its one thing to get good conditions, its another thing ot Use the conditions and Nehra was impressive in this regard. But i will consider Nehra a more then effective bowler if he performs like thsi in a DAY game.
Well, ICC should be brave and make a bold move by changing all the day/night Games to DAY games. That would make sense and every team would be happy with that. But i doubt that ICC is brave and wise enough to make such a move.
Xtremeo, Quit whining man !! Had pak batted first in Eng-Pak game and had Razzaq taken 5 wickets, you guys would have flooded Gupshup with threads after threads that How good a bowler he is and what a good example of Natural talent in pak he is and blah blah blah....
And now someone wants ICC to make a new rule for Day and Night matches ?? What next Inzamam ul haq should be given two chances to bat in every innings ??
Had ho gayee Yaar...Why dont you guys accept that On that Particular day England was a better team and Toss miight have made the diff but hey that's your bad luck.
Should we ask ICC to review the England-Pak 92 Match also when Pak was all out for 78 ??
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Xtremeo, Quit whining man !! Had pak batted first in Eng-Pak game and had Razzaq taken 5 wickets, you guys would have flooded Gupshup with threads after threads that How good a bowler he is and what a good example of Natural talent in pak he is and blah blah blah....
And now someone wants ICC to make a new rule for Day and Night matches ?? What next Inzamam ul haq should be given two chances to bat in every innings ??
Had ho gayee Yaar...Why dont you guys accept that On that Particular day England was a better team and Toss miight have made the diff but hey that's your bad luck.
Should we ask ICC to review the England-Pak 92 Match also when Pak was all out for 78 ??
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Excuse me, its not just Xtremo who is saying that, Even your Indian commentators are saying that. No one is taking anything away from India. Like i said getting favorable conditions is other thing, using them is another. Nehra did just that to perfection. Hear what captain ganguly had to say.
Asif...The fact that Nehra got 6 wickets shows how the conditions favor the seamers under lights so much. I admit..it doesent take away the fact that Pakistan batted pathetically against the Poms the other night..but certainly the conditions had a lot to do with it.
If an ordinary bowler like Anderson and Nehra can take so many wickets....somethings gotta be wrong.
If an ordinary bowler like Anderson and Nehra can take so many wickets....somethings gotta be wrong.
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Yes.....Whenever Its non-pakistani bolwer it has to be ordinary because all the greats are born in backyard of punjab...huh and then they give 63 in 9 overs trying to bowl fastest bowl.
Stop this Badbolapan.. and give the credit where it is due...
Coming up to topic...
I think its little unfair for team batting 2nd but I would say its just a bad luck. What is rain comes and plays havoc..
By the way where was botham when English were winning...
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Stop this Badbolapan.. and give the credit where it is due...
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I don't think no one is giving the credit, and you also admitted that batting second does make a difference and that is exactly what everyone is talking about. Conditions were provided to move the ball, and Nehra used them very well, he proved himself to be a sensible bowler.
Saby, Yes the conditions might have helped the bowlers in the second innings, So what ? And what is this crap about ICC changing all d/n matches to Day matches ?? My Point is Would you guys have asked the ICC to do the same If Pak had batted first in Pak-England match or England had batted first ?? No, you would have been happy singing the praise of How good and talented your team is and how crappy England was. (Today also we saw all the comments by Xtreme when Sachin got out). Why dont you just accept that it is part of the game.
Now that your team lost and you think it affected(I think it has just delayed) your chances of coming to super six, you want the rules to be changed.
Just Quit whinning and accept the fact that Toss is an part of the game and you were unlucky to lose it. Also accept the fact that your bowlers after bowling so well for first 30 overs - threw the match away in last 20 overs and let their team down.
Asif and AQ I expected better from you guys. It’s not like I didn’t say all this would come to pass. After watching the one day series Pak played in SA, I expressed my concern then. I’m not saying that your guys aren’t good bowlers, I’m simply saying what I’ve said all along - whoever wins the toss in a D/N match wins the match. AQ was agreeing with me earlier today, although he still didn’t have enough confidence in his seamers to predict victory for India
Anyway it’s now become enough of a concern for there to be a big debate about whether the D/N semi in Durban should be switched. I’ll post plenty of news articles which will be published by whingeing poms in tomorrow’s newspapers to back this up
**Anyway, don’t know what Indians or Poms have got to complain about - both countries have picked up 4 points thanks to the lottery system - wish we could say the same. **
Maniax yaar - Are you forgetting that There were two more fast bowlers who bowled today for India and I dont think they bowled too well. Nehra may be ordinary but today's condition suited his bowling well. For Example, If you remember there were two bowlers in the 1983 Indian team Roger Binny and Madan Lal - they were slow medium pace swing bowlers and the conditions in England really suited them well, can you Imagine Binny took 18 wickets, and Madan lal ended up with 17 wickets. More than the holdings and marshalls of West Indies or Bothams of England etc.
Bottom line is Quit Whining and accept the defeat and keep supporting your team for the remaining matches. I think Pak still has a very good chance of making to Super Six and yeah the remaining matches are not D/N, so nothing to worry.
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I was simply reacting to the Gentlemen who has courage to say Nehra and Anderson are ordinary.Because these are the kinda of people who live in fool’s paradise and make ass of himself .Why didnt Zaheer or Srinath got 6 wickets.fact is Nehra bowled way on given day and exploited the condition.That need to be appreciated.If he was a Pakistani by now he would have got Nisaan-e-Pakistan on this forum.
My last post doesnt contradict my earlier posts on same issue when we discussed it 2 days back.
I just raised a question ..Where was Botham when Pakistan was loosing and today he was crying like a baby in commentry box.
There are many factors which influence cricket.Toss,bad weather,bad umpiring…those are part of game…
By the way Didnt you say in other thread that in Kingsmead its not gonna help seamer as it did in Newland.?
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Saby, Yes the conditions might have helped the bowlers in the second innings, So what ? And what is this crap about ICC changing all d/n matches to Day matches ?? My Point is Would you guys have asked the ICC to do the same If Pak had batted first in Pak-England match or England had batted first ?? No, you would have been happy singing the praise of How good and talented your team is and how crappy England was. (Today also we saw all the comments by Xtreme when Sachin got out). Why dont you just accept that it is part of the game.
Now that your team lost and you think it affected(I think it has just delayed) your chances of coming to super six, you want the rules to be changed.
Just Quit whinning and accept the fact that Toss is an part of the game and you were unlucky to lose it. Also accept the fact that your bowlers after bowling so well for first 30 overs - threw the match away in last 20 overs and let their team down.
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Asif read my comments above, i accepted that our batting sucked big time. And i also agree that Toss is a part of game but it doesnt allow both teams Fair chance of competing. Its not that Pakistan has suffered. You will see WI or Sri Lanks will suffer the same. and when uyou go through to super sixes say in second position for example. your team might suffer too in Capetown. and its not just me or any GS member saying, Tony Greg, Shashtri, Botham, Fannie divilliers, and many other experts are saying. Give fair chance to both teams in same conditions. Pakistan would have lost to England coz they make a mess f chasing But the facts are facts. India played really well, Nehra pitched the ball in right places and hats off to them.
Exactly - He said ‘toss won’t be as crucial as it was against Pakistan. There should be plenty of help for the bowlers in both innings. If Nehra’s not fit, India will have less options in this area and that could be crucial. If it was a day match played in sunshine I’d back India, but I think they’ll struggle tomorrow.’
Now he is contradicting himself.
Saby yaar - Once aagin you are taking it in a wrong way - Do you know that in a day match there is a lot of moisture in the morning and it helps the seamers a lot in the first half, now If I use your logic that’s unfair to the team batting first, no ??
Fact is no team gets fair chance even in a day game and sometimes its the toss, sometimes its the weather and sometimes it’s the Umpires. And about my team facing similar fate, hey If you remember 1996 Semi Final in Calcutta - where the pitch started taking super turn in the second innings…We didn’t whine the conditions were bad. Even Part timers like Jaysurya and De silva were getting huge turns. So stop whining and accept the fact that TOSS/Weather/Umpire are all part of the game
By the way Didnt you say in other thread that in Kingsmead its not gonna help seamer as it did in Newland.?
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Well you said yourself a couple of days back that Newlands was famous for ball movement under the lights but then you edited that part out for some reason.
Best thing is always to believe your own eyes and not listen to 3rd person viewpoint. I backed my own judgement with regard to 'win the toss, win the match' in D/N'ers and I was right. Why is everybody now calling for the semis to be switched to day matches?
I don't care if we lose to India on Saturday if they are the better team, I'll take my hat off to them. At least it will be a level playing field and that's all I want.
Well you said yourself a couple of days back that Newlands was famous for ball movement under the lights but then you edited that part out for some reason.
Best thing is always to believe your own eyes and not listen to 3rd person viewpoint. I backed my own judgement with regard to 'win the toss, win the match' in D/N'ers and I was right. Why is everybody now calling for the semis to be switched to day matches?
I don't care if we lose to India on Saturday if they are the better team, I'll take my hat off to them. At least it will be a level playing field and that's all I want.
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Not newland ...I made that comment about Kingsmead and then went out and check the stats and since I didnt have stats to back it up I deleted it same day. By they way If you look stats of D/N match in Kingsmead before this match ..you will be surprised...Team batting 2nd had much more success than team batting 2nd...
Surpise........!!!!!!!!
