Most of us would love to believe that we’re doing dawa in one way or the other. Apparently we have different perceptions of the word means and preferred procedures. In another thread a member was insulting a religion and was defending his lame comments a dawa. Well lame to me, he might have a point, which is what I would like to understand. What exactly is dawa for you? Say you were to be invited by another Muslim (Dawa) how would you like to be talked to? Would you prefer talks of hellfire, punishments or would you be more interested in peace of mind you can gain by exploring Islam? How do you do Dawa in a non-Muslim environment?
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click here There is a lecture by the name of “Dawah Or Destruction” this may help.
I’v not listened to it my self but I feel that it may deal with your questions in detail. : )
SI, I know what dawa means plus I'm not interested in what others say so beautifully yet no one follows. Lets take day-to-day examples and comment. For instance your comment in the other thread.
The religion which you follow might not be based on logic the religion which i do is. <<
Putting your religion up against another and using insulting tone, is this you're understanding of Dawa? What kind of reaction do you expect and how can you use that reaction to deliver your message successfully to same person?
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SI, I know what dawa means plus I'm not interested in what others say so beautifully yet no one follows. Lets take day-to-day examples and comment. For instance your comment in the other thread.
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okay lets give it a try.
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The religion which you follow might not be based on logic the religion which i do is. <<
Putting your religion up against another and using insulting tone, is this you're understanding of Dawa? What kind of reaction do you expect and how can you use that reaction to deliver your message successfully to same person?
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Point one: I never inteded to insult anyone.
Point two: Let us look at the whole prospective:
A respected forum member said: "... ... ...religions are not based on logic."
The word used here was 'religions'. So regardless of the knowledge this person had about different other religions a statement was passed. Now who gives a right to this person to comment on all the religions. If this person believe that his religion doesn have any logic then he should stick to his religion. Why say things about other people's religion?
That is why I wrote: "The religion which you follow might not be based on logic the religion which i do is".
Becuase I know my religion and I did say any thing wrong. I used the words "might not be based". You see I'm here to argue listen to what other have to say that is why I used the expression "might" I did say any thing with surety or s'thing. On the other hand the brother who passed the comment earlier than me said hypothecially that they are not based on logic.
However if I've hurt anyones feeling I do appologise. I did not inted to do that.
Point three: You might be listening to this man for the first time. I've had detailed debates with alot of people who come to the Religious section. I have little understanding of who would be offended and who is trying to offent Muslims.
Just to make a quick comment on this one before I give my comment on the main topic
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Now who gives a right to this person to comment on all the religions. If this person believe that his religion doesn have any logic then he should stick to his religion. Why say things about other people's religion?
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Well, that was his opinion. And you have your opinion. You don't have to agree to his opinion, but he has every right to give his opinion on any topic just as you have every right to give your opinion on his and any other religion. This is just a discussion. You may not agree to someone's opinion, but you can't say "no one else has a right to comment on my religion". People do it all the time, and don't need your permission. So deal with it. C'est la vie! Cheer up :)
Ok, Sabah, back to your original query. Dawa'h is an interesting concept by itself. Before I address your particular question, I'd give a brief anecdotal story that I find very amusing.
I know a gentleman in Karachi who is a regular member of Tableeghi jamaat. Goes out for chilla's and gashts in the neighborhood. Prays five times and has a beard plus spends a lot on charity and all that. In addition to that he is a very successful businessman who will do whatever it takes to run a successful business. And in Pakistan it means he would bribe officials, under-hand deals, gifts etc. Everything goes. How he balances all these activities with his 5-time salah... I don't know (so don't ask me). And he told me once he was on gasht with three other bearded fellows, who I am sure are very good muslims. They rang the bell on a house in Defence (Karachi) and finally the owner came out. The tableeghi fellows started on their speech asking the fellow to join the salah in the masjid and how Islam is the best way of life; while the fellow had an amused smile on his face. The gentleman who was with the tableeghi jamaat says that as soon as I saw the owner of the house I wanted to run and hide because that owner was a government official to whom I had given a lot of money in bribes. And the owner recognized this gentleman and laughed off the whole tableeghi jamaat and went back in.
This raises the question, should everyone be involved in Dawa'h, or only those who have a greater understanding of Islam, can answer questions and have a personality and character to match. Then again, the other view point is that each of us should do dawa'h ("Amar bil marou'f wa nahi an'il-munkir"); though the risk is that if our own character is flawed we may be doing more harm than good. I have heard (not sure if it is true) that during his time Hazrat Ali (Razi Allah Tallah Anha) prohibited many people from doing dawa'h and only some were permitted to do it.
Coming back to GS, your post reminded me of my own post many years ago, where I recounted different types of members who participate here. Some are here just to fight and think they are doing jihad. They put off more people through their conduct and hurtful words than they realize. To me the basic requisite of dawa'h is politeness and knowledge. Without these two you can spend a lot of time cursing and cussing but you won't be converting anyone. Not that an online discussion board is necessarily the best medium to "convert" in the first place.
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Just to make a quick comment on this one before I give my comment on the main topicWell, that was his opinion. And you have your opinion. You don't have to agree to his opinion, but he has every right to give his opinion on any topic just as you have every right to give your opinion on his and any other religion. This is just a discussion. You may not agree to someone's opinion, but you can't say "no one else has a right to comment on my religion". People do it all the time, and don't need your permission. So deal with it. C'est la vie! Cheer up :)
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I didnt mind neither did I say 'dont comment on my religion' You see I was talking about all the religions.
Point two: I thought the discussions and opinions are supposed to be based on some facts. Tell me s'thing can we pass hypthetical statements about any religion and you wont edit them or s'thing?
SI, no one can read minds therefore your intentions are judged by your general attitude and the words you use. I’m a Muslim and as I read you, you were putting my religion up against another, for whatever reason. If you believe in your own you do not have to compare.
Now this tone you’re using now is humble and I wanted to read your post till end, you’re trying to validate your comments, but let’s ignore that. Do you think choice of words and tone has an effect on the reader?
As Faisal said, some keyboard jihadis do more harm to Islam and its teachings than any non-Muslim can ever do.
Have your doubts on your scripturs now led you to pray from Allah?<<
This was not provoked comment, what msg did you convey by typing this line?
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SI, no one can read minds therefore your intentions are judged by your general attitude and the words you use. I’m a Muslim and as I read you, you were putting my religion up against another, for whatever reason. If you believe in your own you do not have to compare.
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I might have used the inapporpirate words. My mistake I appologise.
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Now this tone you’re using now is humble and I wanted to read your post till end, you’re trying to validate your comments, but let’s ignore that. Do you think choice of words and tone has an effect on the reader?
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it certainly does have an impact. And my poor english is a hurdle for me to use decent tone. I'll try though.
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As Faisal said, some keyboard jihadis do more harm to Islam and its teachings than any non-Muslim can ever do.
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: ), you dont often come to this place. I can show you may things which which you would least expect. I'll try to keep a track from now on. Will send you a PM.
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Have your doubts on your scripturs now led you to pray from Allah?<<
This was not provoked comment, what msg did you convey by typing this line?
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I really have to improve my english now. You see this person fist made comments that there are controversial things in the scriptures of the religion which he follows.
Later I found him praying from Allah [swt]. Out of curiosity I questioned. Btw why dont you look in the whole story. You just pick my remarks and want explaination. Consider the whole situation, even then you feel unsatisfied do not hesitate to question me. I would be more than happy to answer questions raised.
Seconldy If anyone has ever felt offended by my coment I say to all please speak. I appologise and will do that if anyone says my comments have hurt him or s'thing
btw i was just wondering i observed the admins and the mods commenting about my attitue.
Am I about to die : )
SI, don't appologise. You might nahiN you were :p
No other religion promotes DAWA as Islam, therefore theres no point in questioning others. Plus you're representing Islam and since I'm a Muslim, I will question you for any misunderstanding you're responsible for, why should I question others?
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Tell me s'thing can we pass hypthetical statements about any religion and you wont edit them or s'thing?
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Huh? Where did I edit something that was hypothetical? Your opinion may be totally crappy and if I read it and decide to response I will definitely point out why I don't agree with it, but that doesn't take away your right to come up with wrong or hypothetical opinions on anything under the sun. After all, how else will we learn?
To Faisal's comments earlier about who should do Dawa and who shouldn't .... from what I know on this subject and I have to validate this... Dawa is a farz on each and every Muslim, Muslims will be questioned on the day of judgement if they did Dawa and how? and Allah (SWT) will judge us on this.... To say that it is best if I don't do Dawa since I don't know enough about the subject is not an excuse that will be permitted on the day of Judgement, it is our duty to go out and seek knowledge, challenge it, put it to test, prove it, and then do Dawa...
I don't have any Ahadeeth and Aayat to back this up at the moment but I have seen some ahadeeth and ayata on this subject...
To Sabah's comment will I talk about Hellfire and punishment or peace probably both or may be one or the other.. it depends on the circumstances and situation and discussion... Where Islam talks about peace it also talks about punishment and hellfire as well and that is an important factor too.... Fear of Allah (SWT) is emphasized in Islam and how can you achieve that if you supress that aspect (punishment for not obeying and following the commands of Allah) of Islam...
"Hikmat" is the key when doing Dawa.... you have to see who your audience is and what they care about the most and what can offend them blah blah and based on that you decide how to appraoch someone... you can't draft a generic speech and give that bhashan to everyone...
What is Dawa? Is it Dawat or Dawa as in 'Claim'?
Dawat is derived from Arabic word Dawa... I don't believe Dawat is an Arabic word... Dawa means "invitation"
and Pawa means leg.
if you emphasize the "w" in Pawa it will mean sifarish or asr-o-rooskh
Pawa is also street lingo for electricity.
Electricity = Pawa? Hmmm.. never heard of this before.. is it a Karachi slang?
no no. dude like wheres the pawa switch.. man?