Davis holds diplomatic passport: Malik

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Doesn't matter what i believe or not believe in, the reality is, there were thousands of people on the road, Bhutto had to kneel to the demands of the movement and army took control because of the agitation against the bhutto... and bhutto was so POPULAR among the masses that there was not enough public pressure on ZIA to not to hang him... nor was there any notable demonstration held to free bhutto from the dictator...

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Just for your info and just to make things simple for you.. do you see that you and/or any of your replies is quoted in the post you quoted... next time try to read ( i know it is really hard for you) in the context of the text...

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/07/AR2011020705790.html

The Obama administration has suspended all high-level dialogue with Pakistan, a key U.S. partner in the Afghanistan war, over the case of an American diplomat the Pakistanis have detained on possible murder charges, U.S. and Pakistani officials said.
The case of Raymond Allen Davis, who has admitted he fatally shot two Pakistanis he said threatened him from a motorcycle while he was driving in Lahore on Jan. 27, has severely strained relations between the two governments and threatens to scuttle a planned summit among U.S., Afghan and Pakistani leaders scheduled for the end of this month in Washington.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton canceled a meeting last weekend with Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi at an international security conference in Munich to protest Allen’s detention, according to officials from both countries who were not authorized to discuss the situation on the record.
The administration has twice summoned Pakistani Ambassador Husain Haqqani to the White House for formal complaints and demands that Pakistan recognize Davis’s diplomatic immunity and release him immediately. The message was repeated in a meeting in Islamabad Monday between Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and U.S. Ambassador Cameron Munter.
Davis, 36, holds a diplomatic passport and is a member of the “technical and administrative staff” at the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad “entitled to full criminal immunity in accordance with the Vienna Convention,” the State Department said Monday.
The administration and Congress, the statement said, “have repeatedly made clear at the highest levels that this matter must be resolved by the Pakistan government or it could impact other bilateral initiatives.”
In Pakistan, the issue has become embroiled in widespread anti-Americanism and suspicions, fanned by the Pakistani media and used for political advantage, that U.S. spies and intelligence contractors are secretly operating in the country. It has also posed a challenge to Pakistan’s weak civilian government as it struggles to wrest control of national security policy from the powerful military and fends off opposition political parties.

The most powerful opposition group, the Pakistan Muslim League headed by former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, rules Punjab province and its capital, Lahore, where Davis is being held and several hearings have taken place in the case.
Although the administration has been unequivocal in its insistence that David has diplomatic status, it has been less than clear on the nature of his job in Pakistan over the last two years. An early embassy statement said it was “security” related, while officials in Washington have said that he vetted questionable visa applicants. The CIA has declined to comment on the case.
On Thursday, the Lahore court extended Davis’s detention for another eight days. The U.S. Embassy complained that it was given no notice of the hearing, that Davis had no attorney present, and that he was not provided with an interpreter.
“He was denied due process and a fair hearing,” the statement said. “His continued detention is a gross violation of international law.”
Although Zardari’s Pakistan People’s Party government has close relations with the administration, and depends on the billions of dollars in U.S. military and economic assistance, it fears being painted as a U.S. lackey.

A foreign ministry official said that the government itself is divided over the case. The ministry has determined that Davis is immune from prosecution based on his passport and diplomatic visa, and the fact that Pakistan “accepted” that when the Davis first arrived in the fall of 2009, the official said.
Other parts of the government, he said, see some advantage in using the situation to prove the government’s independence from Washington. But the Americans, he said, “have dropped hints they could go to any extent” to get Davis released.
Further complicating the situation, a Pakistani intelligence official said that the two men Davis killed were not, as he has said, armed robbers intent on stealing money, his telephone and perhaps his car, but intelligence agents assigned to tail him. This official said the two intended to frighten Davis because he crossed a “red line” that the official did not further define.
Both the military’s Inter-Services Intelligence service (ISI) and the Interior Ministry’s Intelligence Bureau regularly use motorcycle tails to track the movement of U.S. officials, another Pakistani official said.
The Pakistani media has also suggested that Davis is being held hostage to a wrongful death case brought in New York by family members of four Americans killed in the 2008 terrorist attack in Mumbai, India. U.S. and Indian officials have blamed the attack on the Pakistani organization Lashkar-i-Taiba, which has long-standing ties to ISI. Four senior ISI officials, including the organization’s director, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, have been called as witnesses in the case.
According to his 2009 visa application, Davis was born in Wise, Va. He gave an address in Las Vegas, where he is listed in Nevada state registration records as the co-owner of a firm called Hyperion Protective Services.
On Sunday, the widow of one of the men killed by Davis committed suicide in the city of Faisalabad. According to a doctor at the hospital where she was admitted after ingesting rat poison, she said she did it because she feared Davis would be released without facing trial.

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^^ Great move, we shouldn't be the part of this war to start with.. if it takes to kill/hang raymond to end this partnership then Pakistan should move forward and do it...but i believe that this is just a threat or tactic to put more pressure on Pakistan because of the situation on ground where US needs Pakistan more than Pakistan need US...

Pakistan should block the supply route for week and OBAMA will come back to his senses....

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This is difference of democracy and dictatorship.
Democracy is bound to resist either they like it or not.

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^^^ That is very true. Regardless what one may think of Zardari admin they are at least trying to reflect the will of the people, where if it was Mush he would have handed him over ages ago.

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the bold part is utter lie and knowing mushy, i can say that, under no circumstances he would have handed him over

Mushy was not going to arrest him to start with... handing over scenario only comes, when one is arrested...

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actually zardari and company are dying to hand over this killer to their masters, they are dying to do some "shoe polish" but its punjab govt (till now) which is hold on... zardari's mouth piece that is maana naai is trying hard and pee pee pee has openly said that punjab govt is responsible for delays "giving" him diplomatic immunity, which he's not entitled to

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its after all the fruit of mush's agreements with the americans

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Again a lie. Read my post again regarding postponing of elections by mardood. ISI with JI took major part in road demonstration to invite mardood to take over, pumped millions of dollars to destabilze the government. Soon after Bhutto was arrested, popularity stroke back. Either you are lying or not in senses when mardood unleash persecution of Bhutto supporters and PPP. mardood kept on changing bikau judges till he got set of judges of his choice. Still the decision was split. Later Dr. Nasim Shah who was part of bikau judges told that it was judicial murder.

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Your post? i have not quoted you...please refer to my post number 62

Thankyou!

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Just a heads up Sachaydino; when you mention words like mardood and b@stard in every post, it totally gives the impression you're an angsty teenager incapable of honest opinion. Your rage belittles your arguments. Might want to take that onboard as constructive criticism.

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Pardon my French. I have seen very good times before that dictator took over illegally in 1977. Believe me Pakistan made u-turn and everything became topsy turvy. He left the country in deep hole that it will take centuries to recover what he destroyed in 11 years of his rule defaming Islam universally. He got billions of $s in payment fighting Sam's war but destroyed the whole country with drugs, illegal arms, radicalism, ethnic and sectarian divide.

Rests assure I will not use these words again for him. But seeing condition of the country makes me very up-set. I hope Kyani will not interfere in release of Raymond Davis. Let the courts decide what ever happens to relation with Uncle Sam. Credit also goes to Zardari still upholding his arrest. Perhaps this is the time Pakistan should unite on this issue and to think like India, friendship with dignity not to become colonial slave what Zia and Mush (he made another wrong u-turn) made the country subservient and brown slaves to Sam.

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I’d love to call most politicians names and what not but then where would we be left! Appreciate you taking my post as I meant it! :k:

We’re all hurt and angry at most people who’ve profiteered from our blessed country but we must behave as dignified humans. So here’s to all Pakistanis brother! Not just a particular race or sect! We’re all Pakistanis and InshaAllah we will persevere no matter what!

Peace!

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Pakistan Zindabad!!!

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What other evidence beside Davis do you seek to believe the presence of Salem-style extraneous terrorist inside Pakistan?

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now a case under espionage charges against Davis is in order…

this is an Indian source though…
http://www.sify.com/news/Pakistan-defence-photos-found-in-us-official-s-camera-news-international-lcjmadgeiig.html

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Then take it with a truck load of salt...

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And for America, the case risks revealing many awkward truths. Who exactly is Raymond Davis, described by the US as a member of “technical and administrative staff”? What sort of “diplomat” carries a weapon? What was he doing driving alone through Lahore? Was he actually working for a private military contractor, Hyperion? Was he meeting an informer? Such is the panic, that last week the State Department spokesman denied his name was even “Raymond Davis”. Then this week, a spokeswoman for the embassy in Islamabad said Crowley had not denied the name was “Raymond Davis”.

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actually the link i posted was indian site, but there are many other sources american/pakistani covering the same story