Re: Davis holds diplomatic passport: Malik
Can you please provide the law which says that diplomat have right to carry weapons and can kill anyone he would like too?
In dangerous terrorist infested countries like Pakistan, it would be foolish for Americans not to carry weapons.
Re: Davis holds diplomatic passport: Malik
It should not come as a big surprise. The government has most likely issued him a back dated 'diplomatic' visa under pressure from the US. This is the only way they could have saved (his and) their behinds
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davis will rott in adiala jail for the rest of his life for this crime against humanity...and then get hanged later on....His release could trigger a public outrage which no political party is willing to afford at this stage and since judiciary is independent....it is highly unlikely he would get away.
Having a diplomatic passport dosent means one is allowed to go on shooting spree and neither does Vienna convention provides that diplomats can voilate oneway and rundown all those coming from opposite side
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Why is it when the PPP comes to power everything dodgy under the sun comes into play. If he had a diplomatic passport and visa, why didn't MOFA say so right away. Why didn't the US department say the same? Why did the US State Department wait 3 days before they acknowledged him?
This is not kosher. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
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^^ PPP govt officials were negotiating $$$ with US for three days, once the numbers were finalized, both PPP ministers and US embassy came in press with everything
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It is easy to critcize PPP government. It has resisted to realese this person and is under enormous pressure from Uncle Sam. I guarentee you that dictators like Zia and Mush would have peed in their pants had that happened in their tenrue. However new threat even stronger from previous threats, from Uncle Sam will not go un-notice by Kyani the real power holder. Lets see how much he resists the arrest of Raymond Davis.
http://www.dawn.com/2011/02/05/continued-detention-of-davis-may-hurt-defence-ties-warns-us.html
Continued detention of Davis may hurt defence ties, warns US
ISLAMABAD: A visiting delegation of the powerful US House Armed Services Committee conveyed a veiled threat on Friday that Pakistan-US defence cooperation could be under cloud if the standoff persisted on the issue of immunity for Raymond Davis, an American national accused of killing two men in Lahore.
This was perhaps the strongest yet US message](http://www.dawn.com/2011/02/01/us-defends-diplomat-accused-of-killing-two-in-pakistan.html) conveyed to Pakistani leaders.
“In a meeting today with Prime Minister Gilani, a bipartisan US congressional delegation protested the continued illegal detention of the American diplomat in Lahore,” a late-night press statement issued by the US embassy said.
The statement said the delegation “called on the government of Pakistan to abide by its obligation under international and Pakistani law to recognise his **diplomatic immunity](http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/29/us-activates-diplomatic-channel-for-immunity.html), and immediately release him.”**
The three-member delegation is led by Buck McKeon, Chairman of the House Committee.
A source present at the meeting said the delegation’s protest was quite strongly worded and was being seen as a warning that bilateral defence cooperation could face problems if Davis was not granted immunity and released without delay.
A statement issued by the prime minister’s office said that while responding to US congressmen’s concern about the welfare of Davis, Mr Gilani assured them that he had been extended due facilities and security by the Punjab government.
The matter, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said, was sub judice and would be decided by court.
The US House Armed Services Committee, which is responsible for funding and oversight of defence spending and legislations relating to defence, would soon begin deliberations on the promised $2 billion military and security aid for Pakistan.
Additionally, millions of dollars in Coalition Support Fund, which is primarily reimbursement of expenditures incurred in support of US operations, are still outstanding.
Re: Davis holds diplomatic passport: Malik
... LOL. Pak politicians rolling over on command. Sad.
When is Pak going to get beyond begging bowl mentality?
Re: Davis holds diplomatic passport: Malik
It is easy to critcize PPP government. It has resisted to realese this person and is under enormous pressure from Uncle Sam. I guarentee you that dictators like Zia and Mush would have peed in their pants had that happened in their tenrue. However new threat even stronger from previous threats, from Uncle Sam will not go un-notice by Kyani the real power holder. Lets see how much he resists the arrest of Raymond Davis.
Continued detention of Davis may hurt defence ties, warns US
To Mushy's credit he didn't handover AQ Khan when demanded, besides Raymond was caught by Lahore police and fell under Punjab govt, had it been under Rehman Malik's jurisdiction Raymond would've flown out of Pakistan on next flight.
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If he thought that his life was in danger and he shot in self defence then I am all for Davis's actions. Apparently the shot motorcycle riders were armed and Davis must have sensed some danger from them. He would not have just shot someone just for the sake of it. I think that he should be released immediately.
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If he thought that his life was in danger and he shot in self defence then I am all for Davis's actions. Apparently the shot motorcycle riders were armed and Davis must have sensed some danger from them. He would not have just shot someone just for the sake of it. I think that he should be released immediately.
what about his other crimes?
Re: Davis holds diplomatic passport: Malik
what about his other crimes?
What other crimes? I only know what I skimmed through the online papers, perhaps you could enlighten me.
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surprise surprise!!
**Pakistan likely to release Davis **
WASHINGTON: Pakistani officials are indicating that US national, Raymond Davis, charged with double murder in Pakistan may soon be released.
Two Pakistani officials in the US told the Associated Press, on Friday, they expect Davis to be free in days, once a court goes over documents US officials have submitted to prove his diplomatic status. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive matter.
US officials say Raymond Davis, who works at the consulate in Lahore, acted in self-defence in shooting and killing two armed men who approached him on the street after robbing someone else.
Publicly, Pakistani officials have avoided definitive statements on whether Davis qualifies for diplomatic immunity, saying his fate is up to the court. But the officials who spoke to the AP said their government had to let the case proceed until the US produced the necessary documents on Davis’ status.
Davis was arrested soon after the January 27 shootings. He made a brief appearance in a court on Thursday and his next appearance is set for February 11. Besides the two men who were shot dead, a bystander was killed when he was struck by an American car rushing to the scene to help Davis. ap
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\02\06\story_6-2-2011_pg7_6
Re: Davis holds diplomatic passport: Malik
If he thought that his life was in danger and he shot in self defence then I am all for Davis's actions. Apparently the shot motorcycle riders were armed and Davis must have sensed some danger from them. He would not have just shot someone just for the sake of it. I think that he should be released immediately.
Yeah, but it should be proven in court. Pak shouldnt be releasing him on command. It makes a mockery of the whole country.
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Yeah, but it should be proven in court. Pak shouldnt be releasing him on command. It makes a mockery of the whole country.
The matter should not even go to court as the police have no evidence against him and there can be no prosecution. If the law gives him the right to carry arms then it also gives him the authority to use it in self defence. It appears that these motorcyclists were armed and following his vehicle. It is also mentioned that they had robbed someone nearby already and that one of them came from a court, hearing the case of as his brothers killing, which makes you wonder about their background.
Re: Davis holds diplomatic passport: Malik
What other crimes? I only know what I skimmed through the online papers, perhaps you could enlighten me.
Please do read papers, he was first reported as diplomat, then no papers were presented as proof. As diplomat you are not allowed to carry weapons (first crime), number plate of his car was fake, he didn't inform local authorities of his local movements.
The matter should not even go to court as the police have no evidence against him and there can be no prosecution. If the law gives him the right to carry arms then it also gives him the authority to use it in self defence. It appears that these motorcyclists were armed and following his vehicle. It is also mentioned that they had robbed someone nearby already and that one of them came from a court, hearing the case of as his brothers killing, which makes you wonder about their background.
So you are saying I can get a gun, go out on the street and and kill anyone and then say it was in self defense? What are courts for if we are to go by an accused's account of events?
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I swear our government should just wear bangles and get it over with. ****ing cowards.
Re: Davis holds diplomatic passport: Malik
Re: Davis holds diplomatic passport: Malik
To Mushy's credit he didn't handover AQ Khan when demanded, besides Raymond was caught by Lahore police and fell under Punjab govt, had it been under Rehman Malik's jurisdiction Raymond would've flown out of Pakistan on next flight.
Yeah right. Since army was also involved in this scam, AQ was made escape goat and Mush made him zero from hero with in no time. Father of nuclear bomb was insulted and remained under house arrest for many years. He still must be under strict survillance by army intelligence and his name is on ECL. Handing over AQ to Uncle Sam meant military brass including gadha Mush had to face embarrassment for proliferation of nuclear arsenal. Do you remember in Mardood Zia's time there was publicity by JI and co that if amrica stop aid to pakistan, they would export atom bombs a.k.a islamic bombs to many countries?
Re: Davis holds diplomatic passport: Malik
Yeah right. Since army was also involved in this scam, AQ was made escape goat and Mush made him zero from hero with in no time. Father of nuclear bomb was insulted and remained under house arrest for many years. He still must be under strict survillance by army intelligence and his name is on ECL. Handing over AQ to Uncle Sam meant military brass including gadha Mush had to face embarrassment for proliferation of nuclear arsenal.
Yes AQ was probably made escape goat, I doubt army generals whose name didn't appear in press are hidden from you-know-who, even then he had the pressure to hand him over and didn't cave in.
Do you remember in Mardood Zia's time there was publicity by JI and co that if amrica stop aid to pakistan, they would export atom bombs a.k.a islamic bombs to many countries?
I don't remember that part, when was that?
