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just an FYI, evolution doesnt say man evolved from monkeys, it says man and apes share a common ancestor from about a million years ago.
semitic faiths claim humans are the offsprings of twin siblings that adam and eve produced. this is harder to swallow than shared ancestry with apes.
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^Can you just explain it in detail, i would be really greatful to you. Please do provide some examples also.
You are free to quote, from the book of darwin and also please do provide me with references from the recent scientific discoveries.
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with all due respect, SoA, evolution isn’t something i could do justice to explaining in a post or two. i have tried this in the past with highly unsatisfactory results mostly because it is a complex argument, and requires knowledge of a decent bit of basic biology and geology to follow, and lastly, my not being a skilled teacher.
I could point you towards a decent source which you might find worth reading though.
if you were more interested in human evolution than evolution in general, here is another interesting website:
The current view of evolution has come a long way from Darwin’s original proposal, which is considered overly simplistic.
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I agree with queer....
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There are many muslims who also refute the Quantum theory since they believe, like Einstein, that God does not play dice...
What if randomness is such by design, be that any level. Scientists do contend that we are a branch of sapiens who just got lucky, but what if that was part of God's plan?
I know that people do take the story of Adam and Eve in the literal sense, but why can it not be allegorical when God says:
He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical.. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.
My intent is not to create discord, but to point out that creation of Adam seems to me like an allegory, and to assign a meaning (literal or hidden) is equivalent to the bold part of the verse. Just my thought...
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read Harun Yahya books or watch movie over there
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I have, already
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GOOOOOd
but it was specifically for stonecold 
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oh I see 
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OFCOURSE Evolution is real. It's the most logical explanation.
Anything else is just retarded religious crap forcing you to believe in Allah pressing buttons on a control panel in a galaxy far far away dropping Adams and Eves on selected planets to spread humanity. BS. Evolution, is real.
Go on, lecture me fools.
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OFCOURSE Evolution is real. It's the most logical explanation.
Anything else is just retarded religious crap forcing you to believe in Allah pressing buttons on a control panel in a galaxy far far away dropping Adams and Eves on selected planets to spread humanity. BS. Evolution, is real.
Go on, lecture me fools.
See I wish I could explain to them that:
God has been called Al-Bari, the Evolver and Al-Masuwwir, the Bestower of Forms/Fashioner in 59:24.
The concept of Evolution was first described by the Greeks, but it was further developed by the early Muslims. Great Muslim scholars and scientists as Al-Kindi, Ibn-Rushd, Ibn Tufayl, Ibn-Arabi, Ibn-Khaldun al described and promoted the concept of Evolution. Before the 1800's, Evolution Theory was known in Europe as the 'Muhammedan Creation Theory' and was described in almost all Muslim Medicine and Science Books. It was also part of normal education in the Muslim schools and Universities.
Ibn Khaldun [1332-1406, 400 years before Darwin!] wrote in his Muqaddimah, an Introduction to History:
"One should then look at the world of Creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedles plants. The last stage of plants such as palms and vine sis connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power to touch. The word 'connection' with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the next group. The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man ( after the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends."
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calling others FOOL, is a FOOL himself= indeed u cant be lectured. 
(dont worry soon or later u will see the truth 
)
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Yes Sir 
I concur. You did evolve from apes, I agree with you.
I, on the contrary, trace my lineage back to Adam and Eve (Hawwa) who were sent down from heaven to this specific planet…
We are different :shoaby:
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So how many of you believe in evolution?
Im a Muslim and I believe in it completely... Its the natural order of things..
I tend to believe that religous people simply dont believe it, because they turn of the logical portion of their brain, for the sake of relatively illogical religous beliefs.
Religion should not and can not over ride sound scientific study.. On the cotrary, Religion should reflect the ground realities of science...
Adam and Eve may still have existed, but they must be taken in the context of evolution... Adam and Eve may just be symbolic of the first truly Human species.
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Well, cant call these people fools. As much as you want to believe in your religion, you cant simply toss out scientific study and theory for the sake of unproven dogma.
Bet creationists in general are ridiculous at times.. Particularly the Christian vairety, (although the Muslims creationsits have yet to demonstrate their own brilliance).
Check out this 25 million dollar piece of Crap… The creationist museum, where God apparently made everything in a week, and velociraptors played with Adam and Eve and their kids… A world that resembled the “Flintstones” ! 
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semitic faiths claim humans are the offsprings of twin siblings that adam and eve produced. this is harder to swallow than shared ancestry with apes.
It seems more plausible than the Hindu creation thoery which states that humans sprung from different parts of Brahma's mouth, the Brahmins being the highest from his mouth and the Shudras being the lowliest from his feet, and then there's the Untouchables who are too lowly to even have a caste, where did they come from?
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It seems more plausible than the Hindu creation thoery which states that humans sprung from different parts of Brahma's mouth, the Brahmins being the highest from his mouth and the Shudras being the lowliest from his feet, and then there's the Untouchables who are too lowly to even have a caste, where did they come from?
lol i bet i know what the answer to that q is!!!!!!!
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Correct! Not only that, the mention of Adam and Eve is an allegory in the Quran, we have been asked not to create discord based on literal or hidden meaning behind the story (and other such stories). The reason IMO is for us to keep an OPEN MIND, and not to shut it off, like most sectarians have.
The Quran is not a Science Textbook and neither is it a historical document. It is for the Creator to know how He created, and for us to find out through independant scientific analysis...
Many muslim scientists from the Medieval era had presented the theory of evolution (i'd call it Creation through Evolution) since that is the most plausible explanation! It was the Europeans who opposed this idea since they held on to dogma and superstition.
Personally, I think God can do better than what is described by the so-called "intelligent design". I mean think about it: God saying, oh oh, time for this species to end... zap... oh oh, time to create a new species... zap. What kind of a God is this?? Can't He even come up with a process that takes care of such things NATURALLY??? Can't randomness be the process itself??? Isn't that a MORE INTELLIGENT DESIGN???
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There are many muslims who also refute the Quantum theory since they believe, like Einstein, that God does not play dice...
What if randomness is such by design, be that any level. Scientists do contend that we are a branch of sapiens who just got lucky, but what if that was part of God's plan?
I know that people do take the story of Adam and Eve in the literal sense, but why can it not be allegorical when God says:
He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical.. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.
My intent is not to create discord, but to point out that creation of Adam seems to me like an allegory, and to assign a meaning (literal or hidden) is equivalent to the bold part of the verse. Just my thought...
Salam bro,
Now well if it allegorical then if it is and i use the concording approach,
1) The children of Adam are the same.
2) The act of satan is the same.
3) The words of Allaah are also the same.
Well, i can refute you more but these 3 points should be more then enough, i find this kind of argument in the freemind website. Well, you know why that verse was revealed common get over it.
They are stories in the Quran which are allegorical, other times Allaah provides us with similarity of small living beings. But if we have to take this verse out of context and then talk about Adam and Eve i completely agree with you.