So how many of you believe in evolution?
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I'm sure no muslim believes in it.
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I don't know yet, I've not really looked into the subject to come to a conclusion.
Evoloution exists in my opnion but I've not looked into men descending from apes seriously yet.
Kind of off topic but I once read that Allah turned some people into apes and swines for breaking the Sabbath, are presentday apes/swines descended from them?
Science has found that apes and swines are the closest to us humans in terms of DNA, so much so that some firemen don't eat pork because it smells a lot like burning human flesh.
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I don't know yet, I've not really looked into the subject to come to a conclusion.
Evoloution exists in my opnion but I've not looked into men descending from apes seriously yet.
*Kind of off topic but I once read that Allah turned some people into apes and swines for breaking the Sabbath, are presentday apes/swines descended from them? *
Science has found that apes and swines are the closest to us humans in terms of DNA, so much so that some firemen don't eat pork because it smells a lot like burning human flesh.
Those people(all of them) died after 3 or 7 seven days.
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I have a laterally similar question...
how many believe the earth is flat?
So we believe God has turned man into apes and swines, yet we find the science that proves man existed thousands of years before scriptural record unbelievable?
Evolution does not disprove God in any way. In God's infinite wisdom and plan, why couldn't or wouldn't he have created man like every other species - one that develops from a lower life form?
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That's a Judeo-Christian belief. No Muslim will believe the earth is flat because the Islamic Koran says the earth is round, ostrich-egg shaped even, and an ostrich egg is geo-spherical in shape, exactly like the shape of the earth.
*“And We have made the earth *Dahaaha (ostrich-egg-shaped)”. [The Holy Koran 79:30] **
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Yes semi agreed with you, completely God in his infinite wisdom is possible.
But with human's finite wisdom this is just impossible according to recent studies.
I remember last year, in one of the newspapers it said that in the US schools they are pondering to remover the Theory of darwinism because the theory is proved to be a complete falsehood.
But some pro-darwinists though have agreed to such facts, still they personally feel for the lower form of animals lets say amoeba, fish etc it might be true.
My final comment is according to our finite wisdom, the whole concept of DNA has to be proven false to prove the theory of darwin right. Here for sure i dont wont to ahead with the Religious books to prove this, the scientist themselves have debunked this theory.
Darwin, has himself written none of my research is practically proven but its just his observation and you know we have studied in school. I studied hard coz i had to get good grades lol.
Later i know like the pluto, even this is debunked i swear i studied and then its proven wrong. Well i remember in the other forums narayan had started a thread on ID, thats nearly a year now.
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Same (Evolution vs. Creation) question can be asked for the way the universe was created, Big Bang or Kun Faya' Kun.
I agree with Seminole. Allah created every specie from scratch, changed the recipe a little bit (DNA, etc) and created another one. Each and every specie is a sperate dot in the canvas of life. Darwin problem was this that he tried to connect those dots.
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I’ve actually read some of Darwins works and also studied from Quranic perspective and also done some research and dicussion from DNA perspective.
Darwins theory was simply based on keen observation and some facts of life related inheritance and cross breeding. There is no real scinetific basis to his theories though it opened the door for a lot scientific work regarding genetics and natural biologists.
I agree that the basic recipe for creating living things by Allah SWT is the same. The differences account for small changes in that recipe. This theory of mine lends to the fact that 95% of the DNA structure in all living beings is the same. Its the variations in the remaining 5% that make the difference. Its those variations that are misinterpreted as evolution i.e. Ape to Man. Its the dis-simialairty in the DNA of apes and men that distinguish them not the similarity that suggests men evolved from apes. For all we know is how Allah SWT created men but we do not know how he created other living beings. For all we can say they could have been created the same way as we were created and placed on earth before us. Then Allah SWT using the same created men with slightly changed recipe which is present in the form of our DNA.
I absolutely agree when you say Darwin tried to postulate a theory by connecting the dots.
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Same (Evolution vs. Creation) question can be asked for the way the universe was created, Big Bang or Kun Faya' Kun.
I agree with Seminole. Allah created every specie from scratch, changed the recipe a little bit (DNA, etc) and created another one. Each and every specie is a sperate dot in the canvas of life. Darwin problem was this that he tried to connect those dots.
Peace tariqlkhan
The dots do connect but not in the way Darwin supposed. His limited theory supposed that smaller means simpler that we were super formed and developed compared to the single-celled organisms. That is not true. The fly is of course as complicated as a human. Allahu 'alim it may be more complicated.
The dots of DNA and similarities should give the humans an understanding that all life has the same source. All biological life requires water. Consider a Picasso his paintings are indicative that he has painted them, some he has done in different styles, but the signatures are always the same. These 'signatures' are found in all life and low and behold they are the same, indicating Allah (SWT) is the source of all life.
Again, the dots are there to be connected, like rays to something common outside the dots, rather than in a chain with each other.
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Nice point. Its how you interpret those dots.
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Good discussion USR.. and psyah. Thanks for the comments
Another aspect of Darwin theory is the survival of the fittest. That in my mind, is a conflicting theory as it claims that God creates junk (sometime) and the junk flushes itself out of the circle of life.
Lot of people believes in it although it always amazes me that this "survival of the fittest" is so popular. They found life close to hot molten lava rocks where the survival rate is zero; they found life deep inside glaciers and frozen mountains.
I think that Darwin created this theory to fill out the gaps between two dots cause if you don’t fill the gap, it’s an indirect proof that the Creator exist.
One could ask that between the last bi-pedal ape and Homo-sapiens, there is more combination of different species (per the theory of evolutions). Where are those creatures? Darwin came up with a simple answer that because those creatures were not fit enough to survive, they simply vanished. How convenient is that?
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I'm sure no muslim believes in it.
think again! and what if randomness is as such by design?
Oh, but now it will be Darwin against Einstein...
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think again! and what if randomness is as such by design?
Oh, but now it will be Darwin against Einstein...
yeah i think some muslims do consider themselves as the offspring of monkeys. may be they are right :)
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your post gives it away brother...
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yes may be they are right for themselves, I must complete my sentence.
Is it good enough now :)
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yes may be they are right for themselves, I must complete my sentence.
Is it good enough now :)
And I think my sentence was complete, and works either way BROTHER.
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And I think my sentence was complete, and works either way BROTHER.
:-))))
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Walekum salam,
Good points by both bro. psyah and USR.
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lol.....yes I have no problem with a "muslim" who thinks he has some rishtaydaari with monkeys and baboons. Everyone has a right to identify themselves either with the Prophets of God or with the monkeys and baboons.