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So you have time to put up more random videos but none to answer questions about your post

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You haven't even explained your previous post yet. I'm going to keep asking until I get answers. Shall I just ask one question at a time? OK so here's the question: in your link you said Isa AS was not fatherless when in fact in Qur'an it confirms he was. He only had a mother. Now why have you made that assumption? Where in Qur'an does it day otherwise?

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Here's my post from the other thread did you even read it? Where are your answers?

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Dear brother thornewood, here is the writing in full about which you are raising some questions.

Do nonmuslims who criticise the quran know how to study the quran properly? Do people who claim to be muslims know how to study the quran properly? Are nonmuslim scholars only responding to nonsense of muslims which they take for deen of islam or do they have anything original to contribute to the proper understanding of the message of the quran?

My question to all such scholars is, please tell me what are the very basic requirements for understanding anything at all? I ask this question because both muslims and nonmuslims claim that the text of the quran is nothing more than a jumble of verses that make no sense on their own. Is there anything in this universe that anyone can make any sense of without pondering over it? Was the universe and were the things in it there before a person was born? My answer is yes. Was that person aware of all that he saw with his own eyes, heard it with his own ears, smelled it with his own nose, tasted it with his own tongue and felt it with his own sense of touch? Was he born with proper understanding of all this? No, not at all. If that is the fact then how did one come to make sense of all things that he has become aware of so far? The day scholars come to realise this fact they will come to know that the quranic text is not a collection of random verses. The universe was a perfectly working order complete system before our birth but we only came to know about it once we used our own brains and senses as well as bodily mechanisms to explore the universal realities to make sense of them. It is we who began to see connection between things after we started observing and doing things with whatever we could get our hands on. This is how gradually we built our information bank about the universal realities and our brains by constructing, de-constructing and reconstructing that information started making sense of things. The process is exactly the same when it comes to the quran. As anyone comes across anything the very first time, things seem disconnected or remote and random till one starts making sense of them, so the quran is not any exception in this respect.

To understand anything, to begin with we only need brain language which is all preprogrammed just like a computer comes ready to process information. If we did not have preprogrammed brains to a degree we will not be able to process any data that we sensed with our senses. Imagine putting on windows on a computer that had no cpu=central processing unit. More precisely the ALU arithmetic logic unit that acts as a cpu. All this is called hardware. The brain is a biological computer if you like. That is biologically hard wired ready to make use of its senses and to process any information it gets through them as a mechanism for stimulus or a window to outside world.

Brain keeps collecting information through its senses but it then wants to act on this information so it uses its body mechanisms to express itself or connects to outside world to influence it the way it wants. This is how comes about interaction between things in the environment one is born in. This interaction forced people to communicate with each other using additional languages basically body language and sign language and then that led to spoken language as sounds made by people began to take form of codes for real world realities as their names or names of their actions etc.

Unless people therefore understand the origin and development as well as use of spoken and written language they cannot understand anything about the origin and development of revelation of Allah through out times and places or origin and development of humanity itself.

This should leave one in no doubt at all as to why so called scholars both muslims and nonmuslims fail to make proper sense of the text of the quran. It is because the language provides the very foundational context of any spoken or written word in any book not just the quran.

The truth is both muslims and nonmuslims scholars seriously lack knowledge about deen of islam and due to that all people are busy killing each other due to animal behaviour or worse.

From my above explanation it should be very clear how important communication is between people and therefore the importance of language becomes very much self evident. Now think about how a human baby learns a human language. Once a baby is born into this world his brain and senses begin to work according to environment of this universe so he keeps observing things as they happen all around him and so data keeps gathering in his head as time goes on. He tries to make sense of things as much as he can at each moment of his awareness. He begins to see that people and things around him react to each other through body movements as well as some sounds. After long period of quiet observation he tries to act the same way in order to copy others in their movements as well as their sounds. He begins to see that others also react to him as he makes some moves or sounds so he keeps remembering these little things and that way builds up a bank of codes in his mind for movements and sounds as words. From this it should be clear that people only come to know what they have picked up through their observations and nothing beyond till they develop capability of thinking at higher level. Not only that it also makes it amply clear that thinking does not start all by itself rather there has to be some triggering factors that draw attention towards something to think about. So learning is all about something drawing attention of people and then people exploring the thing towards which their attention is drawn. If attention of a person is not drawn to something in some way ever, one will never become aware of it ever.

This should explain how people learn a language and why they speak only that language to which their attention has been drawn and do not speak any other language to which they have not been exposed. Take this to origin of human species ie how people invented language in sense of listening and talking as well as reading and writing. Human species came about from tree of life just like other species of living things and developed with time. They started as another species of animals in human shape and gradually developed various way of communication among themselves through observing other things that were already there. Originally humans were driven by their drives and reflexive behaviour due to their very limited thinking capacity due to their limited observations and life experiences. However as they built on their experiences generation after generation they began to think first and act later instead of acting first and thinking later. Just as a human baby acts first and then thinks if he is forced to do so by some sort of reaction to his action so original humans gradually became a thinking people who began to reason things out just as babies gradually learn to reason things. This is why the wider and the deeper the life experience one has the better one’s making sense of things is.

Since we know how human language came about and developed the question arises, how did people give meanings to words? Originally people had certain imaginations in their heads about things they observed so there were no words but then they made bodily gestures to each other and learned to code them in their minds and that helped them to code sounds as well. Any bodily gesture made by anyone meant the whole things not just one word as we know it today. If one raised his hand to show someone I am going to beat you up that is what it meant by raising of hand that way. If one showed by gesture of hands that I am going to catch you, that is what it meant by that gesture. But as soon as sounds became codified the bodily gestures took form of words the same bodily gestures were translated into meaningful words that made sense to people among themselves. The sound language came about because people wanted to explain to each other things they could not explain by bodily gestures alone eg for preservation purposes for future generations. The same urge led mankind to finding a way of writing down the information. This is how people ended up drawing pictures to explain events they experienced. Pictorial writing gave way to letters and letters were modified again and again to refine them for ease of writing. Likewise spoken language went through modifications for sake of refinement or precision. If we go back to how baby starts talking using very same word for each and everything but then as time goes on he develops capability of saying more and more words to say what he wants to say. With time he builds up vocabulary and so did human beings originally generation after generation. As we can see each and every step in human development was driven by need or usefulness. In other words all this helped mankind to survive and progress because knowledge and skills help people get through life easier as compared to those who remain ignorant and unskilled.

Originally people drew pictures of things as a way of writing down what they wanted to say eg they drew picture of a head of an ox or a bull to represent power or authority. They drew picture of a tent to represent family or a household, picture of water to represent sea or a human head to represent chief and so on and so forth. If we look into arabic letters they are meaningful words eg ALIF means bull and it represent power and authority or stick, BAA means house because originally it was pronounced BAAIT in hebrew where arabs got it from. What is known as RAA in arabic was RAISH in hebrew or in arabic RAAS=head or chief. Likewise letter AIN means eye both in hebrew as well arabic. Since all letters in hebrew are meaningful words so they are in arabic. The root system also originates from hebrew and ancestral languages. In root system a few letters are taken as a unit or set or root which is given the meanings based upon individual letters as well as sum total of meanings of all letters. This is why each root has various concrete meanings as well as derived meanings because originally each meaning was a label given to a reality in real world eg BAA=BAAIT=house and house is a concrete reality then word BAAIT itself has three letter root ie BAA, YAA and TAA, so these meanings keep on expanding with each extra word and its combination of letters. YAA means YAD both in hebrew and arabic and it means hand. This is how letters were attached meanings in forms of roots. Once a letter was given concrete meanings a set of conceptual meanings also came about based upon what a things was and what it did or what it was useful for or was used for or the way it worked or served a purpose. For example, letter AIN means eye but what is eye and what it does or is used for is also part of meanings of letter ain. This is why in arabic a root can have many meanings not just one or two. Now that things about origin and development of language are explained in detail it is easy for anyone who has knowledge to see how many objections people raise against the quran based on lack of understanding of language as to how it came about, developed and was used and as well as how words got their meanings or how language works in actual fact etc.

Let us now turn to the quran. People ask, why Allah does not explain each and everything in detail in the quran? It is because Allah had a purpose in his mind and had a plan for mankind due to which he created people and the rest of the universe and sent his revelations for mankind to live by so that purpose and plan of Allah comes to its fulfilment. All this is explained in detail in the quran the final revelation of Allah for the mankind. Whenever anyone does anything one has some reason or purpose for doing it. Allah created mankind and the universe and sent his revelations because he is a living being and wanted to express himself. The only way he decided to express himself was through creation and revelation. Since he wanted to express himself he decided to create mankind for appreciating his creator out of his own choice and that is why humans are taken as special creatures of Allah unlike all other creatures.

Since humans have been created with ability to choose to do things at a greater level than all other creatures therefore Allah could not fully program people to be like fully programmed robots instead he had to program them to a degree and leave them to program themselves for the rest of things that is why he gave people brains, senses, bodies, provisions and revelations to learn and do as they please. This is why the quran only contains information as much as it serves purpose and plan of creator of the universe and nothing more than that. It is the implication of what one does that binds one to his plan and purpose and so Allah himself bound himself by this purpose and plan and nothing can make Allah change his mind because if he changes his mind then his purpose and plan will fail and that is impossible ie plan of Allah cannot fail. No one forced Allah to take on this responsibility upon himself but he decided to do all this so he will go through with it no matter what. Since Allah has a purpose and a plan to fulfil so it is not possible that Allah should do anything that ruins the whole thing for him.

Allah is capable of a lots of things but only as a God just as man is capable of doing things but only as a human being and this is why the quran is the way it is. What do I mean by that? I mean that the quran is a limited text in a language that was not yet fully developed. Why Allah had to send the quran in an ancient language and why he chose arabic in particular for the revelation of the quran as his final message for humnaity? It is because arabic was the only language that could serve purpose of divine revelation in this age. Why? Because it was a root based language and that made it very flexible for meanings of words so Allah could express his thoughts in a human language that was so flexible in its meaning therefore it could accommodate thoughts of Allah for guidance of mankind. Not only that but all other root based languages were not as wide spread as arabic at the time and since then. This is what made it right for the purpose of Allah. But why Allah did not wait till arabic language developed to its fullest? It is because a fully developed language becomes very precise therefore needs more text for explaining the very same thing because it has more words for more concepts. Let us go back to development of a human baby. A human baby begins with less words to tell many things and as he grows with time he gets to know more and more words for telling about more and more things. However his ratio of words and thoughts gradually reduces ie he uses more number of words for expressing lesser number of thoughts and that is what leads to precision use of language. So what the baby told us using a word or two now he can tell us in many words. His parents had no problem understanding him because they had learned to make sense of what he used to say when he was speaking less number of words. So people who learn things can understand them and those who do not bother to make sense of things they do not understand them regardless the language is under developed or over developed, course or fine.

If the quran was revealed in a fully developed language its text ought to increase many folds than the text of the quran we have. Imagine Allah revealing a huge encyclopaedia containing each and everything we humans ever needed, could we make any use of it? No, why not? Because human brain is not that capable to cope with that amount of information. As things are in this universe the way it works, it will have been impossible for people to copy information and share it with each other or to preserve it for coming generations or to carry it about etc etc. So even though Allah was capable of sending people a huge book, people were not able to cope with it due to human limitations. This is why people need to look at things in the context they are explained in the quran by Allah himself instead of telling Allah what he should or should not have done. This is not for people to decide but right of Allah because when Allah decided things people were not around to give him their suggestions. Moreover if Allah followed our suggestions instead of doing what he wanted to do, this universe will still be worked upon by Allah because each person will have told Allah many different ways to create things, so plan of Allah will still not have seen the light of the day.

This explanation should make clear to anyone with knowledge why knowing things about language is so important because then one can clearly see implications of attacking the quran from the wrong angles eg why Allah did not explain things in more detail etc.

The study about origin and development of language tells us that words have various meanings and that those meanings are based upon solid foundation beyond a shadow of doubt. This deals a fatal blow to criticism of the quran by those people who say that muslims are seeing things in the quran which were not there before after they have been discovered by scientists? It shows that if people who claim to be scientist do not have knowledge about the origin and development of language then they can end up making false claims about something they know nothing about. This is how looking at things in their proper context reveals the truth beyond a shadow of doubt. Take for example letter AIN in arabic. It means eye but it also means a spring why? Because when eye cries it sheds tears and that is why it also means a source of water ie water spring or well or pond etc. Moreover the very same letter ain means help or support and that is because eye is very much helpful to a person who uses it to see things to find his way to things or around things. This is why to guard or to keep an eye on things and likewise many other meanings come about as a result of a rule whereby meanings of words keep on expanding. On one hand this flexibility in the language helps accommodate various concepts but on the other it also creates a problem that if a word can have so many meanings then how do we choose the right meaning of a word?

After language based context one has to look at the text on basis of its purpose. For example, if I am going to employ someone to guard a place as a watchman then other meanings of word AIN will fall away and that means I am not talking about a water spring. Likewise if I am lifting something heavy and need help with it then I am not looking for a guard or water spring and that is how context makes things very clear despite a word having so many different meanings due to context of origin and development of language. Likewise when we look at words in the quran we need to keep in mind that we are looking at the quran as a supposed word of Allah. Why do we need to do that? Because the quran so claims ie it tells us it is word of God. Since the quran itself claims to be word of God therefore we have no choice but to examine it for what it claims to be. We cannot investigate something for which we have no claim or accusation or no reason to investigate. Unless there is some case to answer or some accusation or claim about something we have no reason to start an investigation. Only when we have a reason for starting any investigation we will start an investigation. When it comes to the quran, we cannot start an investigate for what it does not claim to be because we can only start an investigation for what it claims to be and since it claims to be word of God so that is the only reason we can start investigating its claim to see if it proves itself true or not. This means anyone trying to prove the quran is not the word of God is looking at things the wrong way round. It is a situation like someone claims he has murdered someone and another person comes along and says no he did not. Now we have two opposite claims but the priority rests with person who claims to have murdered someone.

So first we will have to ask the person who claims to have murdered someone to bring his evidence and only if he fails in providing one that we may go to the other person to see what is his evidence for claiming he did not murder someone. However if the person who claims to have murdered someone comes up with a credible or irrefutable evidence then the other person is proven wrong who claimed he did not murder someone. This means people who instead of investigating the quran for its claim raise other claims against it but have never been able to properly investigate the quran in the first place to begin with their claims about the quran are not credible at all. To show they have investigated the quran for its truth the first things they will need to know is origin and development of language and then the purpose of revelation of the quran in the context of the quranic text. If a person is unable to show the quran has any model in its text but in actual fact there is a model that can be shown from the quranic text then the case is clear that either the person investigating the quran does not have the tools needed to know how to investigate the quran properly or that one is being deliberately dishonest for one reason or the other better known to oneself.

What do we need to keep in mind when we investigate the quran for its truth? We need to keep in mind that if the quran is truly word of God then it is talking about things exactly as they are so all meanings of all words need to be taken in that context because God is creator of all things he is talking about in the quran ie he is talking about things from his point of view where he talks from his point of view unless he is quoting others. The other thing we need to keep in our minds is that we are human beings and as human being we do not know facts as they are till we learn about them in detail through our own research and exploration. So it is a matter of fact that we may not know actual facts about things because we may not have learned them yet therefore we will not be able to make proper sense of things we never learned but the quran talks about them. So if we do not know things about things then we cannot be certain in expressing our opinions about them till we have come to know them. If we say something is right or wrong without knowing it then that is not the right way to do things. For example, Allah talks in the quran about human beings in detail but to know what Allah is saying we also need to reach our own understandings about human beings through our own research and exploration or we will not know what Allah is talking about if we are not familiar with things he is talking about.

The question is, have we carried out our own research and exploration as to what human beings are so that we could make sense of what Allah is exactly talking about when he talks about human beings? Allah talks in the quran in detail about human society, politics, economics etc etc but if we do not know anything much about any of these subject matters then how can we claim we know what the quran is talking about? Likewise Allah talks in the quran in detail about philosophy of science and philosophy of history but do we know what philosophy of science and philosophy history is about? Allah talks in the quran in detail about his program, goals and guidelines for mankind but do we know anything about all this? Allah talks about the universe and things in it in detail but have we carried out any research and exploration to know the universe and things in it? He talks about constitution and laws for mankind but do we know anything about them? Allah talks about organisation and regulation of human society but have we ourselves properly learned anything about organisation and regulation or have we managed to organise and regulate ourselves properly as a proper human community? So who has investigated the quranic text properly in detail to reach a proper conclusion one way or the other about the quran?

All this explanation should show very clearly to people of knowledge whether anyone has investigated the quran properly ever since its revelation after the messenger of Allah passed away. To be able to answer questions about deen of islam one has to know the quran properly and one cannot know the quran properly till one has reasonable grasp over idea of origin of language, how it got its concepts therefore meanings. It is because the quran was revealed in a particular human language at a particular time in written form as well as in form of reading.

No mullah has any idea about the origin of language, its development and progress and the relevant implications. This is why almost all translations of the quran are mostly defective because they do not take into account the contexts of the quranic text. Who can say anything for certain about anything if one has no idea what human language itself is? If anyone wants to make sense of the quranic text, one has to look for information outside the box in which so called scholars and mullahs have put people for a very long time now.

1)Which scholar or mullah do you need to go to for studying origin of language? All you need to do is learn any facts about any language from any people who are expert in knowing and teaching those facts about a language and they do not have to be muslims only or nonmuslims only. In fact they can be atheists or theists or neither.

2)Which scholar or mullah do you need to go to, to learn about realities of real world? All you need to do is go to people who observe real word realities and explore and carry out research works therefore discover things and inform people about them.

3)It is a matter of fact that one cannot understand the quran unless one knows facts about the human language and the language used for the quran by Allah. Because it gives us foundational context of the quranic text. It is due to having proper sense of human language that we are able to make sense of realities of our universe in which we are born. It is then that these realities of real world give us secondary foundational context to see what the message of the quran may be. If we do not know things about language or real world realities then we have no way of knowing what words are and what they actually mean. This is why the quran puts emphasis on using our God given brains, senses, bodies and provided things including his revelation properly, otherwise people are nothing more than animals. In fact God himself labels them worse of all the animals.

4)Only if one has sense of these contexts, the context of the quranic text within itself becomes important not otherwise. Once we have the understanding of the quranic text in these contexts only then we have the context for things attributed to the messenger of Allah as a criterion to see if they are true or false. Once we have all these things properly in their proper contexts we can see what people attributed to people is true or false because then we have the solid criterion to judge things by.

All this explanation shows that one does not need any scholar or mullah to explain anything at all because learning and doing things is common heritage of humanity. We can learn anything from anyone who knows it. However whatever we learn we have a duty to pass it on to others for ensuring well being of mankind.

The quranic use of languages helps expand human power of thinking. How does it do it? It does it by using less number of words for expressing more number of concepts and facts. It is because when things are talked about in less detail then the listener has to put pressure on one’s own mind to think out what the speaker is talking about and that helps mind expand and become more sophisticated ie the more one tries to figure out things the more human mind expands and becomes more capable of making sense of more things which in turn helps humanity make progress and prosper. Through revelations Allah has been drawing human attention to things so that people are stimulated to explore things and grow both physically and mentally. So the revelations by Allah played a huge role in helping humanity to be what it is though people did not make full use of it so far otherwise world could have been in a much better state than it is.

To address questions about quranic transmission is also important. The fact is, the quran we have today is the same as the one the messenger of Allah left behind. it is because the transmission of the quran has been flawless. The quran came to us in three different ways independent of each other. In form of written text that has been copied from written copies. In form of memorised words through chain of hufaaz and in form of meanings of the words used in the text. You cannot write the quran out of memory alone particularly uniformly nor memorise it from written text without differences due to nature of the arabic language the way it is due to its origin, development and progress as well as its working. Because there is uniformity in memorised quran as well as there is uniformity in written quranic copies that concretely proves it beyond a shadow of doubt the quran was transmitted flawlessly. It is because the way arabic was written in ancient times people could not memorise the quran as a uniform recitation from their individual writings due to interchangeability in spellings of words and likewise they could not write it from memory as a uniform text due to various ways of writing the same words due to replacement of letters in words due to multiple roots of same words. This is why to claim the quran was not a written down text in the time of the prophet falls flat on its face.

Anyone who knows about origin of language and its development knows that arabic uses a letter replacement idea in words a lot. It is because arabic is a relatively new language as compared to its sister or ancestral languages such as aramaic, hebrew, ugaritic, phoenician, syriac, akkadian etc. Since arabic comes from other languages so it borrows words from them therefore it ends up using multiple roots to express the very same concept due to transliteration problems between languages. For example, word MAKKAH is also called BAKKAH why? Because these two words arabic borrowed from two or more different languages. It is like word PARAAN and FARAAN. In persian both sounds exists ie P as well as F but in arabic P sound does not exist so the arabs use their own closely resembling sound to P which is F. So while persians say PARAAN arabs say FARAAN. The same is the case with word PAKISTAN ie arabs say BAKISTAN ie they replace P with B.

This problem exists between languages as a matter of fact. It is also a matter fact that languages have been borrowing from each other heavily. In some cases one language has borrowed from another language directly but in other cases indirectly ie first a word was borrowed by one language so it was modified to suit use of that language and then from that language it was borrowed by another language and was modified to make it suitable for use in that language. So depending on from how many different languages a word has been borrowed by a borrowing language it became pronounced and written in different ways in the very same language that borrowed it and this is the case in case of arabic language as well. In arabic letters like TAA, SAA and TWAA are interchangeable because they sound very close. Likewise letter BAA, FAA, MEEM and WOW are interchangeable. The case is same with letters SEEN and SWAAD or letter ZAAL, ZAA, ZWAAD and ZWAA. Letter ZWAAD however can also be interchanged with letter DAAL because it is also called DWAAD instead of ZWAAD. Same is problem with letters KHAA, QAAF and KAAF, HAA and HAA etc etc. Over a period of time in arabic itself letters and pronunciations became standardised but transliteration related problems between different languages remain the same even today. Arabs did not modify their language beyond 28 letters or with HAMZAH 29 letter symbols. The quranic text is based upon that standard. There has been no modification in number of letters since the revelation of the quran. So long as the quran remains in existence and people keep adhering to it, there will not be any modification in arabic language of that nature which changes it completely into a modern language breaking its ties with its past like other languages. However borrowing between arabic and newer languages continues even today and so it continues between other languages as well.

The purpose of this explanation was to show why arabic has more than one root set for a word in some cases. For example, let us take word KITAAB. It has only one root in arabic ie KAAF, TAA and BAA. However this is not the case with word ISRAA. This word has a few roots ie SEEN, RAA and WOW; SEEN RAA and YAA; SEEN, WOW and RAA; and SEEN, YAA and RAA. In ancient times all arabs moved away from each other so they were not one people living in one and the same place speaking exactly the very same kind of arabic even though originally they come from the very same ancestors. Human race itself is originally one race that comes from same ancestors but people moved away from each other as their needs and situations or circumstances demanded or dictated. After separating each people kept on inventing more things and words to talk about them so today people have come together again but they speak very many different languages from what they learned from their original ancestors though some of the word we can still make out among all people because they remained unchanged or suffered less change despite transliteration problems. Likewise arabs even though were same people but they moved away from each other and then they were united and so there were differences between their spoken and written language of this nature because each group borrowed from other people of other languages they were in contact with as they needed. All this explanation in my view was necessary to come to the point because it will help people understand something I am going to explain about the originality of the quranic text.

As explained above a lot of words in arabic are written using different letters. For example, let us take word SIRAAT. In arabic language word SIRAAT is written in two ways ie using SEEN as its first letter or SWAAD. In some places people write word SIRAAT using letter SWAAD and in others using letter SEEN so word SIRAAT has two roots ie SWAAD, RAA and TWAA as well as SEEN, RAA and TWAA. If we read the quranic text, no where in the quran word SIRAAT is written with letter SEEN at the beginning and everywhere in the quran word SIRAAT is always written with letter SWAAD. You will agree that if the quran did not come down in written form and people made copies out of their memories as individuals independent of each other then we ought to find that some copies of the quran ought to have in them word siraat written with letter swaad and in others word siraat written with letter seen. In fact each copy was bound to have letters seen and swaad in different places compared to each other. Since all copies of the quran to date contain this word written only and only by using letter swaad then how do we explain this consistency unless people were given a copy of the quran in writing to copy the written text from it exactly as it was? Let me explain this in another way in english. If I dictated to a mixed group of people from different countries in different places to write down word MUHAMMAD, will they all write it exactly as I have it in my mind or will they do it the way they know it according to their own life experiences in their own places? An italian person will write muhammad the way he thinks and an english person will write it the way he thinks and a french person will write it the way he thinks etc etc. Some will end up writing muhammad others mohammed and yet others mohamed and so on and so forth.

Word SIRAAT is not the only one but there are dozens of such words used in the text of the quran throughout the text of the quran and they have been transmitted constantly exactly the same. It should leave no doubt in one’s mind that the quran was transmitted both in written and spoken forms right from the day one otherwise the differences between copies that still exist in the world of different times and places will have been unimaginable due to nature of the arabic language. For an urdu, farsi or arabic speaker it is very easy to refute all scholars who think the quran we have today is not original. How? By looking at ancient copies of the quran. These copies did not have dots to distinguish between letters to begin with and they did not have vowel marks. What does that mean? To explain what it means let me explain things about arabic writing a bit. Arabic words are written using full letter shapes as well as stumps of letter shapes. When written in full shape one cannot tell the difference between BAA, TAA and SAA, JEEM, HAA and KHAA, DAAL and ZAAL, RAA and ZAA, SEEN and SHEEN, SWAAD and DWAAD, TWAA and ZWAA, AIN and GHAIN etc without distinguishing dots and that is how arab used to write aarbic originally in olden times. Likewise when it comes to writing letters as stumps they are written at the beginning of a word or in the middle of a word or at its end. In case of being written in the middle letter NOON also becomes like BAA, TAA and SAA so four letters end up using the very same symbol. Not only that the FAA and QAAF also become indistinguishable as well as letters LAAM and YAA. One can look at ancient arabic inscriptions as well as copies of the quran to see what I mean. This being the case none could read a writing unless one already knew the text by heart. If one person wrote something and gave it to another to read who did not know what was written then one will have very tough time to make out what the text might be saying. In short no one could read the written text of the size of the quran in that style of writing ever if one was not familiar with it already or did not have it in his memory. This is how memory and writing both helped people to keep the text of the quran properly preserved beyond a shadow of doubt.

In arabic vowels can be replaced with diacritical marks so each consonant could have six possible sounds eg MEEM could be MU or MOOO, or MA or MAAA, or ME or MEEE etc. So if we wrote just four consonants MHMD, we will have 6x6x6x6=1296 possibilities of pronunciations. These are concrete facts which any scholar can verify for oneself. It is really challenging for any scholar to try reading a text that is size of the quran merely from the consonants alone without having known it previously. One cannot read such a text unless one has it already in one’s memory. This is clear proof that the quran was memorised direct from the source otherwise merely having a text could end up as countless number of different readings because each word could be pronounced in many different ways due to lack of diacritical marks as well as due to lack of dots for identification of each letter in words. The lack of such huge number of variant reading of the quranic text in the muslim world concretely proves that the quran as we have it today is original. There is no scholar on earth who could ever prove otherwise or enemies of deen of islam who do not let go any opportunity to attack it will have done it already.

Just as it was not possible to read the quran from the written text alone uniformly so it was not possible to write the quran uniformly if it was not copied in writing from the already existing written copies of the quran. Why not? As explained already many words in the quran had variant roots so if people sat down to write a text out of their memories as individuals then each person will have made a copy from his memory as he knew how to write a word so there will occur numberless variants written texts. For example, if people had to write down word SIRAAT, some will write it with SEEN and others with SWAAD. Not only that but they will do it in different places in the quranic text wherever this word was repeated. Since the quran has many such words in it then we ought to find such variations in huge numbers ie trillions of variants but we do not. How can any scholar in the world explain that? So another clear proof that the quran came down both in written and memorised forms independent of each other.

These simple explanations are sufficient to prove that people who rely on false reports in hadith books and other sources to prove the quran was collected and written down after the prophet are seriously mistaken therefore such reports should not be taken seriously in light of such concrete proofs as stated here. Moreover all reliable reports in hadis books must be interpreted in this context so that they make proper sense.

This however does not mean there are no copying errors in the existing copies of the quran, there are but the nature of error is very simple ie humans make all sorts of errors due to absent mindedness in whatever they do. Mind always wonders off when people get tired or bored in doing something so they may end up writing something out of context or missing the whole line of text or add something from whatever is in their minds etc etc. Not only that people add their own notes in books for jogging their memory about some points they think are important to highlight for later referral. So those who were copying the quran suffered the same but nothing was done deliberately because for that one had to have a purpose in mind. What I mean is that if anyone wanted to change the quran deliberately then one ought to have some purpose in mind which his new quran could serve and in that case ummah could never have the same quranic text which it always have had to date.

So all allegations against the originality of the quran are mere misunderstanding of the scholars and nothing more unless they have ulterior motives to deliberately say falsehood against the originality of the quran but that only they know for themselves. A misunderstanding of scholars is that they take modification of written arabic as changes in text of the quran. They do not realise that when people face problems they look for solutions. It was found very difficult to read and write the quran the way the original arabic was written so they came up with idea of adding dots and diacritical marks to reduce dependency on memory. This is why when new ways of writing the very same text were discovered the number of hufaaz of the quran dropped from say 90% to a few percent. It is because people could now read actual message from the written arabic text except for a small number of things so dependency on hufaaz decreased with time and coming about of printing press.

To explain the same point further as an example, if a word was management and it was written as MNGMNT and was modified to management due to development and progress in the language then scholars due to their ignorance took it as a change in the actual text of the quran, which is silly to say the least. We even today use sign for many things including road traffic signs instead of writing because they are easy to work with than standing on a sign post and reading a sign while people blow their tops off shouting during busy road traffic. So it all depends on how a society organises and regulates itself and how easy it feels with what it does otherwise people modify things as it suits them better. So when things seemed difficult arabs modified the way of writing arabic and in doing so benefited from this modification. Such simple explanations are ignored by people or they remain ignorant about them yet they claim their research is of highest standard.

Yet other thing in the quran is letters in the beginning of some surahs. Some of them if were not pronounced as well as written they could confuse people as to they were words or separate letters eg take surah two verse one letters ALIF, LAAM and MEEM. The way they are written in surahs they could be taken for meaningful words because there is a word in arabic which is pronounced ALAM eg see in surah 94 verse one.

Yet other evidence is the fact that the very first verse of the quran is always written the very same way ie BISMILLA HIRRAHMAA NIRRAAHEEM. It is written with 19 letters in it always whereas it can be written with a few more letters eg ALIF in ISM of BISMILLAH is MISSING. Word ISM is written in surah 96 verse one with ALIF. Anyone will find that all copies of the quran throughout the world are written exactly that way. Had each person dictated the quranic text out of memory and each person wrote it down the way one knew then we ought to see very many differences in written texts of this nature but there are none.

All copies of the quran have no bismillah at the start of surah nine. Had people made copies as they liked then we will have found variations between them some including and some excluding letters, words and verses in the text. So there is water tight evidence that the quran as we have it was written down by the prophet himself and handed down to his people before he passed away. He actually delivered the message of Allah as it was supposed to be delivered ie in recitation and writing otherwise he could not have been chosen as a messenger by Allah. Even we humans do not choose bad workers for getting our works done if we can help it so how could Allah be expected to do such a silly thing as choose someone unfit for the job? That will have ruined the whole purpose and plan of Allah for humanity. Had prophet himself not left the quran behind and the people at the time fully accepting it they could have ended up divided about it right from the very beginning for ever and none could have united them on the basis of the quran after the prophet. Today whatever else muslims do they have only one quran and copies of the quran are available throughout the world even from long time in the past. According to some claims we have copies of the quran even from the time very near to the time of the prophet.

Unfortunately muslims are not good at preservations, observations, research and explorations. It is a miracle in itself for quran to have survived intact till now somehow because muslims are such a people who did very little to advance the message of the quran properly. The way people claiming to be muslims are busy killing each other it is not going to take very long before they are all gone. Any remaining ones will be done away with by kufaar. But then Allah has a plan of his own so we will come to know whatever awaits for us good or bad. Muslims fight among themselves due to their ignorance and stupidity and not because there is anything wrong with the quran.

Please do note that scribal errors are there in the hand written copies of the quran and so are there printing errors in printed copies as well as book binding errors even in currently published copies of the quran but they should not be taken seriously as human errors are human nature. These errors if I sit down with copies of the quran can find and correct but I will not do so nor advise anyone else because that will be tempering with original copies that are historical documents of huge value. However since we are aware of these like errors therefore we should not let them through to newer copies we make through future media that is more capable of helping us for coping with this task. Moreover when we talk to people about errors in the quranic text we should never claim that there are no human errors in the copies of the quran. Such errors have no affect upon the actual message of the quran.





The problem with claims of all western scholars of the quran is they are not aware of certain facts about the quran due to which they have no idea what the deen of islam actually is. Their biggest problem is mullahs who had no sense of the actual message of the quran so they misinterpreted the actual quranic text and misrepresented the message of the quran therefore the whole response of western scholarship is in that context which is therefore incorrect. A true scholar of the quran should separate the quran from what its followers say about it and look at it as a document in its own right and see what it says afresh according to rules explained above by myself very clearly. If one then did not find the actual model of the deen of islam in the quran that could not be defeated then one had the right to claim all those things ignorant people claimed about the quran.

Nonmuslim scholars assume right from the very beginning that the message of the quran is what people who claim to be muslims say they believe it to be. This means they are not examining the text of the quran but what people claim about the text as to what it means. It shows their scholarship is not up to the standard the quran requires for its scrutinizers or cross examiners or critics. This only proves their ignorance and stupidity or ulterior motives just like rulers, money lenders and mullahs or both.

  1. Questions have been raised by muslims and nonmuslims alike whether it is possible to translate the quranic text perfectly. What has been explained about the nature of the language in sense of its origin, development and the way it works and what is explained about role of God and role of humanity should leave one in no doubt that it is not possible for humanity to interpret the message of God precisely ever. The main reason is difference between the knowledge of God and knowledge of people. However, it is very much possible for all practical purposes for people to know and teach the message of the quran to each other with a degree of accuracy in sense of its purpose, which is mainly guidance of mankind to some degree or as much as people can make proper sense of it. So any claim that anyone ever knew the whole of quran perfectly is a false claim. Even the messengers of Allah only came to know as much of the revelation of Allah as was humanly possible for them according to their own time and place as per their own life experiences. It is because to understand anything at all one has to have related life experience. It is like you teach the quran to a child for memorising so the message is in memory of the child but sense about the message will only develop in the child as child learns things throughout his life experience as he grows. All one can say is that messengers of Allah knew the message maximum possible at the time or that no one knew the message as good as the messengers of Allah at the time. Any claim about any messenger of Allah about knowing things beyond human capability is attributing falsehood to the messengers of Allah. In deen of Allah there is no such thing as personality cult. It is because the reference is always the revealed scripture from Allah not any particular person be one a messenger of Allah. It is because only Allah is free of making any mistakes so only his message can be free of all errors.

As for human beings they cannot be declared free of human errors but one can say they never did anything deliberately wrong if they were true followers of the word of Allah. This is why they cannot be the reference point in their own right independent of revelation of Allah. In the quran Allah talks about prophet ibraheem as an exemplary messenger of Allah and he is said to be leader of mankind but only so far as his following of the message of Allah. Even when he asks Allah about his biological and ideological children to be made leaders of mankind, he is told very clearly that yes but only if they also followed message of Allah like you. The idea that quran asks people to follow any messenger of Allah as a model in his own right is attributing falsehood to Allah and his messengers. This is a very important and a decisive point for all people to pay their attention to and who wish to know the message of the quran properly. A clear proof that deen of islam is not a personality cult as claimed by mullahs of various sects. This is why the primary source of information about deen of islam is the Quran not the ahaadith attributed to the messenger of Allah nor the information passed down the generations of muslims in form of books of fiqh= the so called islamic jurisprudence. This does not mean the books of hadith or fiqh are not important but only as secondary sources to the quran. The main reason for that is the status or position of the quran in deen of islam. The quran is taken as word of Allah, the master of the universe and all that exists. He is sole ruler of the universe by right of its ownership due to being its creator. This being the case no human being should claim nor should be accepted as an authority on equal footing with Allah. All human beings be they messengers of Allah are still his creatures and not Gods in their own rights so people cannot be given same status as that of Allah.

  1. When it comes to interpretation of the quran, as explained already it must be interpreted mainly in context of its language and its purpose in light of self evident facts or in light of real world realities ensuring one does not introduce contradictions within the alleged testament of Allah or between the alleged testament of Allah and self evidence facts or real world realities when the quran itself claims to be free of such contradictions and tells mankind to check it against real world realities to see how consistent it is in order to realise how the quran proves to be word of Allah. That means people who sit down to interpret the quranic text must first be familiar with things the quran is talking about because if anyone will try to interpret the quran not knowing the required information for doing this job then such a person will make tonnes of mistakes and if such mistakes are passed onto people as the message of Allah then it could have serious consequences for humanity as a whole even if such mistakes are result of an innocent adventure by a person. It is because people who will accept the message of the quran on basis of its translations will not be accepting the actual message of the quran but its inaccurately translated versions which will be effectively false teachings in its name and by acting upon those teaching people will be doing things that could end up harming them as individuals and as groups.

Likewise people who will reject the message of the quran due to mistakes in the translations of its message will be rejecting the actual message of the quran assuming it to be actual message of the quran instead of taking the translations as erroneous and inaccurate, so they will turn away or remain away from the true guidance of Allah due to mistakes caused by the translators. The consequences will be serious because the result will be more and more divisions among people of the book and more and more people will move away from the book and as people remain divided and divisions increase the more and more fights and wars will continue between people because of wrong interpretations of the message. So one can see what is at stake if things were not done the right way. However this will be taken advantage of by those who want things to be that ie rulers, money lenders, mullahs, their touts and supporters due to their ignorance and stupidity as well as arrogance ie due to their sense of dominating others by undermining them so that they could use and abuse them at will. In short such people will try their best to use the scripture as a tool for manipulating mankind to fulfil their own objectives thereby.

  1. It is very important that when we talk about islam we have some understanding of the actual situation. The main issue when we discuss islam is, what do we take islam for ie a set of make beliefs and some useless rituals for individuals or a program for mankind for accomplishing some goals according to some guidelines as a proper human community based upon quranic constitution and laws for running a kingdom in the name of Allah according to his guidance?

Anyone who takes islam as a religion has to answer a main question, why there are guidelines for a constitution and laws for organisation and regulation of human society? What has praying to do with God and with running of a kingdom or a community? It is because religion is all about individuals having some so called beliefs and doing some acts of so called worship as one sees fit. It is not anyone’s business what anyone else believes or does because it is a private affair between a person and his God. The main question one has to ask oneself is, does islam fit this category? My answer is very clear that islam does not fit this category therefore I do not accept islam is a religion nor should anyone who knows the quran better.

All people who have learned some sense and have studied the quran for knowing islam believe that islam is not only about God and man but about God and man as well as about humanity as a whole. In other words islam is a way of life that leads mankind to an end that is set by Allah for mankind. It is the main reason why islam is called deenillah or sabeelillah or ADDEEN or deen of islam ie the way of life advised for mankind by Allah for a blissful, dignified and secure existence. All this explains why Allah advised this way of life for mankind.

Since in my understanding of the quran islam is not a religion therefore any argument over religion of islam is a nonsense and shows a person is totally confused about islam be one a person who claims to be a muslim or a nonmuslim. The main thing is that anyone who thinks islam is a religion must first prove islam is a religion before one accepts it or rejects it or raises any objection against it or answers those objections. In other words there is no sense in talking about islam as a religion because it is not a religion so why waste time and energy on something that is not really there. I therefore oppose any person who claims islam is a religion regardless one claims to be a muslim or happens to be a nonmuslim. I want such a person to prove from the quran that his claim is right about islam that it is only a system of some dogmatic beliefs and some rituals that have nothing at all to do with real world realities. It is because religion cannot be but a private matter for an individual and his God whereas the quran is very clear that islam is not a private affair of an individual and his God. This is why in my view islam is a deen because what is told in the quran is related to real world realities. The whole message of the quran is about changing the real world realities for the betterment of mankind to ensure well being of mankind. Since it is a deen so all need to understand it as such regardless they claim to be muslims or happen to be nonmuslims. So all questions about deen of islam are to be asked and answered in that context.

Since islam is a deen sent by Allah therefore it is a program from Allah for mankind for accomplishing some goals according to his provided guidelines. Since it is a program for mankind therefore the message of the quran must be taken to all people in the world so that they have a look at it and think it over and if they like what they are told they come together to form a community network on basis of a constitution and its laws as per guidelines provided in the quran. This is the context in which people need to understand islamic shariah or law or jurisprudence. It is in this context one must come to know the procedure for writing a constitution or forming a law. This is why individuals need to know the quran and have their opinions and arguments to back them up but it is the ummah that is to decide together what is to be the correct interpretation of the book and arrive at a consensus after having the knowledge needed for interpreting the quran properly. Unless it is ummah that accepts a constitution or a law as a whole, it cannot be called an islamic law or shariah. From this explained procedure it should be very clear why fatwas by ignorant, illiterate, uneducated, untrained, unskilled and unthinking foolish individuals mean nothing at all in proper context of deen of islam in light of the quran. One must remember that a constitution or any laws must be accepted by all in the ummah freely after at least a simple properly educated majority agrees upon them. None is supposed to accept any constitution or law that goes against the stated goals and guidelines of the quran. Before people sit down to argue over what the constitution or law should be they must have good ideas what are goals they want to achieve or accomplish as an ummah and what are the guidelines so that no article or clause is put in the constitution that is in conflict with the aims and the objectives of the constitution.

In other words a constitution needs to be written with declared objectives right at the top of the document. Since aims and objectives are the starting point of written constitution so all clauses that follow must be in line or consistent with these objectives otherwise the so called constitution or law will not be worth the paper it is written upon. Once a constitution is structured with all its articles, act and clauses as a complete document with all the needed laws regarding institutions, office bearers and individuals and organisational groups in the ummah then ummah as a whole must examine it with care and see if any mistake has been made in constructing this document before it is ratified and implemented by the ummah. If anything important is left out or something has been added which is not right then changes can be made in the constitution or law even after ratification but each time any change has been made it must be put before ummah and accepted by it otherwise the document will become invalid as a constitution or law. I have already explained what are the aims and objectives or goals set for ummah to accomplish and what are guidelines here and there so no point in repeating all this in here.

The other important point to remember is that the quran is about three states of existence of muslims ie as individuals in any place in the world, as a community anywhere in the world and as a community within a kingdom of their own. Each of these three states of existence has its own requirements. Individuals are only required what they can do as individuals and community is only required what community can do as a community and a community in a kingdom of its own is required what it can do as a community in a kingdom of its own. In short there are very limited requirements for individuals but requirements increase when people become a community and they increase even more when the community has its own kingdom. It is because as people who accept deen of islam increase in their numbers their power increases and therefore their responsibilities also increase towards each other and towards rest of mankind. For example, an individual is mainly responsible for learning and educating oneself about all one can learn in one’s life time as well as about learning the quran and only when one has learned deen of islam properly oneself one’s responsibility increases for teaching it to others the best one can. However it is binding upon individuals to learn about deen of islam properly and then pass it onto others. It is also binding upon more than one muslims to always live together as a family fully supporting each other in every way and keep working to bring more and more people into fold of deen of islam or into proper human community based upon guidance of Allah. Once a few people come together they must organise and regulate themselves according to the quranic guidelines as explained. They must form a constitution to help them organise themselves and work out laws to help them regulate themselves in light of quranic guidelines as well as in light of ground realities that face them as per their situations and circumstances.

When a muslim lives among the rest of humanity, one sees human world living in a terrible state of affairs because each person is tearing apart any other like an animal to get what one wants of the others. All this is result of ignorance, illiteracy and lack of proper education ie people are hardly any better than rest of animals therefore they choose to live by way of life based upon personal gains at the expense of each other. Out of this human population someone rises above others to try and give people some better direction ie a way of life based upon living for each other as a proper human community so that life could become somewhat better for human beings than what is already there. Since this person is part of rest of human race and is born into an already existing human population so he faces a lot of difficulties because he is challenging things as they are in order to change them the way one sees fit. This being the situation all those who benefit from things as they are, are going to become upset with him and are going to use all means at their disposal to keep things as they are. It is now up to people as individuals to decide what they support and what they oppose and the direction they take will decide their future as human population. This divides people into a few different camps despite the fact that people are already divided into individuals due to adopting personal gains based way of life at the expense of each other. Nonetheless there arise some who clearly support the change and others who clearly oppose the change and yet others who are undecided and some who play from both sides of the fence etc etc.

Since divisions are already there in human populations due to rivalries and animosities so hatred and wars are also there therefore there is little that changes just for sake of new movement for ensuring well being of mankind. In other words any person who rises up in an already fighting population cannot cause any more damage to whatever is already there but can try and see if one can get rid of all this harm and destruction among people. This was the situation with messengers of Allah who tried to guide mankind out of their harmful and destructive mindsets, attitudes and behaviours based on harmful and destructive ambitions and desires against each other. When Adam was sent as a messenger by Allah people were already killing each other and chiefs were looking for a way out of this harm and destruction because they became fed up with whatever was going on in their societies. Same was happening when the final messenger of Allah came to save people from their own harms and destructions which they were already inflicting upon each other ie there were already wars on going all around arabia eg romans and persians etc were already busy fighting each other and even tribal people were at each other’s throats in arabia itself.

The quran tells us facts about human history but mullahs have masked the information given in the quran with their nonsense due to their ignorance and foolishness because they did no research and exploration on what the quran was talking about to find out but instead made up stories while sitting on their behinds. They have been telling people Adam was first man who was created by Allah directly without involving natural process of cause and effect. The quran on the other hand explains things in sense of designed development of things from a starting point onwards like a flower gradually starts opening up bit by bit till it has opened up fully. In other words Allah talks about gradual unfolding of his plan with time like blossoming of a flower or growing of a huge tree from its tiny seed.

The very first proper human community was gathered by Adam with help of his supporters who then brought about a kingdom based upon guidance of Allah. He was opposed by a chief named in the quran as Iblees. Iblees and his supporters did manage to bring down the kingdom Adam and his supporters brought about but they managed to rebuilt it. Attention should be paid to the fact that the quran talks about various stages of development of the universe and humanity itself. For example the quran talks about tree of life which we can call tree of evolution today. It talks about various stages of development of a human being even before the birth of a human being as well as stages of development of a human being after his birth till death. A clear proof that quran is talking about natural cause and effect process in natural world. Things have been created to observe already existing things and learn from them and do what they think is right for them to ensure their survival but humans have been created with maximum freedom for self programming as compared to all other living things. All this has been explained here and there in my interpretation of the quran so I will not go into detail of all that here.

It should therefore be clear that deen of islam is not the problem but solution for problems that human beings have created for themselves through senseless interaction between themselves and therefore have ruined their environment and thereby themselves. However by learning things and educating themselves about the real world realities and the revelation of Allah they can bring about the world the quran promises. The quran is a real plan for building a proper human community and therefore a kingdom in which all people have a blissful, dignified and secure existence with help and full support of each other. If that is what we human beings want. If not then people are free to keep doing to each other as they are or have been since their beginning.

Since security of people depends upon each other according to the quran and unless they agree to live peacefully for progress and prosperity of each other they cannot have any kind of security so all questions relating all kinds of security what if this and what if that become meaningless in context of the quran and deen of islam.

For example, people raise questions about CHAADUR, BURQA or VEIL etc or does Allah require people to wear certain kind of dress? Before asking such questions one must make oneself aware of the fact that deen of islam has aims and objectives for mankind to accomplish so if something is needed for fulfilling its objectives then it is needed otherwise it is not needed because ways and means in themselves are not the objectives and it is the purpose that decide what is necessary and what is not for fulfilling it. This is the proper context of understanding the commandments in the quran.

Now coming to question of dress code, it depends upon what is actual security available to people in a human population of which one is a part. When there is war like situation in a population and each person is trying to dominate others by undermining them by all means at his disposal then all are put under siege by each other because all are worried what is going to happen to them the next minute and who is going to do them something really bad so all need to take maximum security measures to try as best as they can to stay safe from each other. In such a society no one will be happy to see anyone else because all spell danger for each other as predators and victims. However if a population has decided to live as a caring sharing family making sure safety and security of each other then all are relaxed and glad to see each other. Now when you feel threatened then you take measure that are appropriate and when you are feeling safe and secure then you relax your security measures as well. It is because in one situation you try your best to hide yourself from others as well as anything else you treasure because otherwise you are sure to lose it to predators or rivals. In the other situation you are relaxed so there is no need for running for cover. It is because in one situation everyone is there to take away whatever you have because they do not have that or just because they want to have something extra because they may need it if not today then may be tomorrow which may never come but that is the way people in such a society think about things. In the other society everyone has whatever others have so no one needs anything of anyone else because they gave each other what they all have so no one needs to be scared of anyone else. Adam was told to bring about a human society of that nature wherein all could eat of anything (ie take part in doing anything) accept for things which could damage or destroy the proper human community.

From my this explanation it should be clear by now how I look at deen of islam and why I do that and why I think mullahs have ruined this beautiful message of Allah by covering it up with loads of their nonsense. If one is really interested in learning deen of Allah then it is therefore necessary that people study the language of the quran and be a thinking people because the quran repeatedly invites attention of those who are thinkers to see what the actual message of the quran is and what it has on offer for mankind.

When I talk against mullahs, rulers and money lenders I do not mean the scholarly works people produced are totally useless because they have a lot of very useful things in them which help us move forward if we could learn how to use those works. Dictionaries are very useful works for example, be they written by atheists, hindus, parsees, jews, christiasns, muslims or any other people. Likewise is the case with maths and sciences etc etc. The idea that only muslim mullahs know islam properly is a false idea. Book of Allah is for all human beings who are looking for guidance but nothing is easy in life so people do need to work at learning things including the message of this book called al-quran. This does not mean works of other people are not at all helpful in knowing about the message of the quran. None of us is born fully educated and we all learn from each other so exchanging ideas helps to know things better and to discover newer and better ideas because ideas bread ideas just as actions lead to reactions. Good ideas give birth to better ideas and good actions result in better interactions.

The most important point people who claim to be muslims or nonmuslims need to be aware of is, islam is a deen not a mazhab. The only people who accept islam as mazhab are rulers, money lenders, mullahs, their touts and supporters. I will try and explain why they do that and why they want all other people to do that.

No messenger was sent by Allah but he worked for establishing deen of Allah not any mazhab. Mazhab is personal for individual but deen by its very nature demands a proper human community. The very idea that Allah sent messengers to guide mankind means that Allah wanted people to stick together as a proper human community for well being of each other as a starting point. This is why Allah created people into human relationships as interdependent so deen of islam is a program for mankind for accomplishing certain goals stated in the quran together as one people and there are also guidelines according to which these goals are to be accomplished. The quran is a foundation for a constitution and laws for forming a proper human community and bringing about a kingdom and maintaining it for proper development and progress of humanity so that it could thereafter accomplish other higher goals. This is why there is concept of ummah in deen of islam as well as of a kingdom based upon guidance of Allah. It is because no people without having free access to land and resources, means of production and distribution can survive and this is why Allah tells people things to do which involve having control over land and resources and means of production and distribution. It is for this reason deen of islam is basically about proper management of people and resources to ensure well being of humanity as a proper human community.

So people who do not accept islam as a deen are not accepted muslims by the quran because they do not accept the fact that law of Allah is supreme so they do not live by rule of law of Allah as a proper human community and instead live by rule of law of people by accepting the concept that man has right to rule over another man. This concept is all about creating negative divisions in humanity due to which there are rivalries and animosities therefore hatred and wars. It is because this way of life whereby one man rules over another is based upon personal gains at the expense of each other it is in direct opposition to a way of life advised by Allah which is for ensuring well being of all people as a proper human community according to guidance provided by Allah. This is why personal gains based way of life divides people into advantaged and disadvantaged or rich and poor or strong and weak groups and each tries to take undue advantage of the others leading to all sorts of troubles and problems among human beings. The reason such divisions occur is because people do not use their God given abilities and things as they should to help each other as a complementary human society. Since they misuse each and everything provided by Allah they end up hurting each other instead of ensuring well being of each other.

This is why Allah provided mankind with guidance and some people accept that guidance and support it while others reject and oppose it so mankind become divided into two camps a)muslims and b)kufaar. This leads to permanent struggle between people belonging to two main groups of people. Since people who work for well being of humanity do as told but their opponents do as they like therefore the human world is not the way it is supposed to be instead it is polarised by what people believe and do to each other. Since there is constant struggle between two groups of people who are following opposite ways of life therefore people do what they think will ensure dominance of their way of life over any other way of life.

From here begins all sorts of warfare between people to ensure their dominance over each other. So each time Allah sent any messenger with his guidance and he succeeded in bringing people within his reach under the jurisdiction of kingdom of Allah, soon the kingdom was swamped after the death of the messenger by those seeking better life and the followers of the messengers failed to cope with situations they created for themselves by opening the gates for outsider far too much beyond their own capabilities. Once people within the kingdom became slack in implementing the deen of Allah properly and also let outsiders in, in great numbers, the kingdom turned into a chaotic place proving full of opportunities for ignorant, illiterate, uneducated and unthinking people who then spread in the kingdom of Allah the very dogmatic beliefs and rituals they were used to. This handed over perfect opportunities for imperialists to hatch so many conspiracies within the kingdom that it fell apart and became what it was not supposed to be ie an empire based upon personal gains at the expense of proper human community.

This is the history told in the quran if we properly interpret the stories related to messengers of Allah and the kingdoms they brought about. One cannot understand the quran by mere random verses and their explanations by mullahs. For example, ask yourselves what happen to kingdom of prophet sulaimaan that was brought about by prophet david? SHAITAAN is not a supernatural magical figurehead but a leadership which stands in opposition to guidance of Allah. SIHR does not mean magic the way mullahs tells us but merely covering of actual thing or masking it with something else to make it appear as the real thing which it is not. There is nothing in the quran about supernatural events other than the acts of creation and revelation. Make beliefs and useless rituals were invented and promoted by rulers, money lenders and mullahs to try to fool uneducated masses so that they could enslave them and keep them under their sway for use and abuse at will for their own harmful and destructive ends. This is why people always conspired against the deen of Allah and his messengers as well as his missionaries in order to stop them from spreading the actual message of Allah which is for ensuring well being of mankind.

When people will start looking at works of opponents of deen of Allah in that context all fights between people will start making sense as to who is doing what and why. In order to try and confuse people, some try their best to show deen of islam is actually a man made thing. The question is, how do they do that? They do that by telling us all sorts of nonsense eg they tell us islam is not a deen but a mazhab. This is most severe attack one can ever carry out against deen of islam because merely by saying islam is not a deen they are telling us that people do not need guidance of Allah for knowing how they should live properly in this world. This idea therefore flies straight into the face of deen of islam and its actual followers yet those who claim to be muslims remain unaware of how damaging this idea of islam being a mazhab is for humanity as a whole. It means fights between people can never come to an end ever because if people are allowed to live as they like by each other then there cannot be any way out of this way of life based upon personal gains at the expense of each other. Something people in position of power want the most to continue for as long as they can help it do that.

This is why anyone who accepts islam as a mazhab instead of deen is actually playing in hands of users and abusers of humanity. This is why it is a more dangerous way to attack islam than actually attacking muslims with dangerous weapons. It is because in this case one is telling people that harmful and destructive actions are good because they are ordered by Allah when the actual fact is Allah does not tell people to do anything that is useless or harmful for mankind. This is why people who have nothing at all to do with Allah and humanity support religions because that gives them opportunities to carry on with whatever they are doing ie using and abusing mankind in the very name of Allah and his books and his messengers etc. This explanation should help people see why rulers, money lenders and mullahs do what they do and how they do it with help of their touts and supporters.

It has been explained already how messengers and missionaries of deen of Allah learn and teach deen of Allah and that is why they end up creating a kingdom based upon deen of Allah. A clear proof that each and every person in the kingdom of Allah knows the book of Allah because otherwise people cannot bring about the kingdom according to the book. None can form an organisation or a kingdom nor can one regulate one without having some sort of law. Even the tribal people had tribal customs to live by and they taught these customs to their future generations. A clear proof that no population can live without some sort of common code of life no matter how simple or how complex and sophisticated. A clear proof that messengers of Allah also brought about proper communities and kingdoms as per revealed programs, constitutions and laws for accomplishing set out goals according to provided guidelines.

So anyone who thinks islam is not a deen but a mazhab is far far away from proper understanding of the message in the quran. Likewise anyone who has little or no proper understanding of the quran can never understand anything else that is attributed to Allah or any of his messengers or any of his people. It is because if a solid foundation is not there then there is no criterion for judging anything else. The real world realities and revelations of Allah provide one with solid foundation which one can examine for oneself. That is the only base upon which one can and should build the proper human community.

This is why one will be very foolish to leave the solid foundation aside and try to build a proper human community on foundation of personality cults which themselves are not based on anything solid at all. This is why when Allah declared prophet ibraheem a good example to follow for people he also told them that he is a good example only in following the commandments of Allah. It is because when he asked Allah about the same about his children ie that they too should be followed by people, he was told very clearly that only those people can be followed who actually follow the rule of law of Allah which makes it very clear that the main thing is not following of Abraham or any other messenger of Allah but what he and other messengers of Allah themselves followed as their imaam ie guidance of Allah. Nowhere Allah points out anyone as an exemplary character in his entirety on his own independent of guidance of Allah because even messengers of Allah are not free of human errors. Had Allah put forth anyone on his own as a person to be followed then that will have given birth to personality cults in abundance. So people are only supposed to support messengers of Allah so far as they are doing anything by the book of Allah to fulfil the mission they are sent with and not when they suffer some human error which they do at times. In that case others can bring to their attention the laps if they become aware of it. The way of life for messengers of Allah was not set-up by themselves but was told to them by Allah through the message they received and it was up to them to understand it properly and follow it faithfully and they did except where they ended up making odd mistakes due to being human beings. This is why all concepts that people have created around personalities in the name of deen of islam are false. As soon as people will educate themselves properly about deen of islam they will give up all their nonsense beliefs and useless rituals and start doing what the quran actually requires of people to do so that its stated purpose and plan comes to its fulfilment.

People who attack concept of deen of islam only do so because they want to replace it with personality cults so that they could then use names of those people to add wrong things to deen of islam and thereby get their way. This is why beliefs of certain people are taken as guaranty of true islam whereas people are supposed to take the book of Allah as the criterion after it has been interpreted free of all contradictions as the book itself claims. Likewise when people opposing the book could not find any way to undermine the book of Allah they tried to attack the book by inventing other stories and mixing them up with existing stories about the prophets that were originally completely true in order to try to make their make belief based stories look credible. The same idea was expanded later in books of fiqh. This is why people invented five schools of thought in the names of people none of whom told people to follow them. It were rulers, money lenders and mullahs who tried to move people away from the quran by keeping them ignorant, illiterate, uneducated, untrained, unskilled and unthinking with backing of imperial machinery as is always the case when people in positions of power decide to use and abuse others at will for their own ends.

From all these explanations in this post and elsewhere it should be very clear for all who have sense that not only the quran but all revelations sent by Allah were not only memorised by people but were also written down by them as well. This is why Allah did not start sending revelations till people had discovered ways of reading and writing. Revelation of Allah only began when man was able to think at a higher level ie man became self aware and aware of realities around him and sought guidance because he became a thinking human being in his own right. Story of adam and his people told in the quran is actually a true story but it has not been explained properly by ignorant and foolish mullahs because they are hardly that learned people due to not studying the relevant facts. One can see how much self aware these people are never mind their awareness about realities of real world. This is why anyone who thinks deen of islam is that which is told by mullahs only exposes his own level of ignorance and foolishness about deen of islam.

Word quran does mean recitation but not just recitation as mullahs will have us believe. Word QUR-AAN comes from root QAAF, RAA and ALIF. This root revolves around concept of purposeful collection or gathering of something. Letter QAAF means monkey or anything like a monkey in some sense, letter RAA means head or anything like a head in some sense and letter ALIF means bull or something like a bull in some sense. So if we expand on meanings of each of these letters one can see we could end up with so many meanings of this root. This is why it has meanings like monthly periods, sperm collection in a womb, sect, faction, group, a generation of people, reading from a written text, recitation from memory or recitation from memory of a written text, a written collection of some information for preservation, contents gathered in something in some form, time span, cycle, appointed time, to become with child, to gather together, to hold, to hold in, to know, to learn, to cause or enable something, discourse, the entire text of the quran, reading, chief, manager, managed, power, authority, staff, stick, to imitate, to mimic, to meddle, to fool , to tinker, to be agile, to be mischievous, to make fool of, to be clever etc etc.

Word AL-QUR-AAN is a very comprehensive word. It means each and everything that serves its purpose in one or another sense. For short we can ask, why is the quran called AL-QURAAN? It is called AL-QURAAN because it is a recitation or proclamation or reading or writing or information or guidance or manifesto or program or constitution etc etc or any of these or all of these etc etc. In fact the whole text of the quran is merely explanation of what quran or deen of islam is. It all depends upon how detailed information one is looking for about the quran or deen of islam. This is what we find in dictionaries that people expand words as much as it serves their purpose and not that words stated in the dictionaries do not have any more meanings to add to these dictionaries.

How people try to distort deen of islam? They distort deen of islam in different ways eg by bringing in concepts that are merely make beliefs and by bringing in rituals that are useless.

Let us take the make belief that Allah sent his messengers with miracles. Can anyone clearly define what a miracle is? No. Can anyone prove that miracles are necessary for proving existence of Allah or prove through miracles that any claimant of messenger-ship from Allah is in actual fact a messenger sent by Allah? No. Why not? Because if miracles were necessary for proving existence of Allah or messenger-ship of a claimant of messenger-ship of Allah then where is any miracle for proving that for people of today? Not only that but there were no miracles for any people who did not witness them and particularly the later generations. If jesus showed some miracles to some people in some place then who showed any miracles at all to other people in other places where jesus did not reach himself and particularly after jesus passed away? Today all people are trying to prove existence of God only through whatever texts and books they have. What does that tell us? It tells us very clearly that miracles were never needed to prove anything but this concept was invented by rulers, money lenders and mullahs to make fools of ignorant, illiterate, uneducated and unthinking people and they succeeded in doing that till today because ignorant, illiterate, uneducated and unthinking people still believe all sorts of nonsense they are told by their ignorant and foolish mullahs. This will keep happening till people educate themselves out of their ignorance and stupidity. If people of old could raise structures like pyramids in egypt thousand of years ago which people even today are having problem figuring out how they did it they did not need miracles for proof of existence of Allah because they had the sense to judge things based upon knowledge. The concept of miracles also contradicts the concept of end of messenger-ship of Allah because only prophets can show actual miracles in that case so these messengers then by necessity needed to be sent in each and every place throughout the world to keep showing people miracles which is not the case in real world that is before us. A clearly invented concept to derail the deen of Allah with help of a lot of nonsense or confusing and unending chains of explanations that keep going for ever but explain absolutely nothing at all. The question is, who invented this false belief and spread it among ignorant masses and why? It was work of joint groups of people whose interest this idea could serve ie rulers, money lenders and mullahs and they invented this idea because they did not want people to accept guidance of Allah just as they do not want them to do that even today and that is why they are spreading all sorts of nonsense about everything including the nonsense about the deen of Allah to keep people away from serious thinking about origin and purpose of life and the way of life which can deliver humanity from painful suffering and can lead it to heights of excellence. If a people can go to so many wars to try to prevent people from adopting deen of Allah then why will they not try to do that by all other means under their control eg establishment, mass media and spreading false information about deen of Allah etc etc?

How could they keep people away from deen of Allah by idea of miracles? To explain this point let us use an example of a child. Suppose a pair man and woman take away a child of someone else after his birth and keep telling him we are your father and mother till he is grown up, will the child ever know his real parents even if they were sitting next to him? No. It is because the child has no reason to miss his real parents because he thinks he is already with his real parents. Only if he somehow finds out that people he is living with are not his real parents that he will look at other people thinking any of them could be his real parents. Likewise if people are indoctrinated with wrong ideas then those idea unless challenged, a person cannot find out what the reality may be. So if a people are indoctrinated with idea of miracles or supernatural human beings then unless people are challenged they will always be expecting such kind of people from God as his messengers and if anyone came and just read out things out of some book they will not accept him as a messenger of God because in their minds a man of God can only be a man who can do miracles and can act supernaturally. This is how rulers, money lenders and mullahs made fool of people by setting up personality cults in order to bar message of God in the name of God. It was a very clever idea because people always had problems understanding it for what it was worth ie it was a fraud right from the start.

This is why the quran explains things to help people understand how things work in natural world naturally not supernaturally. The quran only puts two things as acts of Allah ie the creation of the universe and revelation of his messages. This is why the quran emphasises the need for education and thinking, observation and proper understanding of things in so many verses. The explanation given here clearly explain that jesus was not a fatherless child, nor he did any miracles attributed to him and that all such claims related to jesus that involve supernatural acts are false according to the quran and people who are saying wrong things about jesus or for that matter any other messenger of Allah are in serious trouble with Allah and humanity.

Who decides what deen of islam is and how? Allah, people or both?

In my view deen of islam is decided by Allah and people both. Allah decides deen of islam in the sense of his dictation as to what it is and people decide it through their understanding of the message of Allah.

The main point to note here is that Allah knows what he is talking about because he has much more knowledge than people can ever have. Mainly because it is his purpose and plan for humanity. So the one who creates or designs something for some purpose knows better than anyone else what he expects from it or for it. However user must also learn to use the thing properly so that one can benefit from its use instead of getting harmed by it through its misuse even if by mistake.

Since it is people who need to make sense of what Allah has revealed so what do they need to know before they can understand the message of Allah?

Since Allah has revealed his message in a human language so it is of vital importance that people learn things about the human language eg about its origin, development and how it works. Unless people come to know about these facts they cannot look at the message of the quran in its proper foundational context. A human baby when he is born has no sense of language therefore so long as he does not first learn a human language he cannot participate in a human society properly. Think about yourselves from the day you were born till you became what you are. What could you really do before you made some sense of the world in which you were born? How did you come to make sense of the world in which you were born? How did you come to speak the language you speak and how did you come to do things that you do? Could you be of any use to yourself or anyone else if you remained the way you were born ie ignorant, illiterate, uneducated, untrained, unthinking and having learned no skills of any sort? This is why anyone who has no interest in learning things that are important is useless for oneself as well the proper human community. Anyone who tells you anything on the contrary is only telling you falsehood, so do not support any such person who wishes to keep you ignorant, illiterate, uneducated, untrained, unskilled and an unthinking person. Such people even if they happen to be your parents, they are your enemies. Parenthood is not about bringing a child into this world but to ensure as much as it is within power of a parent to put the child onto the road of success by giving all kinds of support one can give to the child that helps him succeed in life. Knowledge is very important factor in all this and therefore language.

Once people come to know things about human language then the next vitally important thing is to know about the purpose of revelation of Allah because it is purpose of creation and revelation that helps understand the plan of Allah because the plan of Allah revolves around purpose of his creation and revelation. No one with any sense does anything haphazardly like a person who lacks any sense. Allah is AL-HAKEEM the wise one so purpose and plan of Allah has to be such that reflects his wisdom. So when people will have learned about his purpose and plan properly they will come to the conclusion that Allah is truly wise in actual fact.

Therefore people should stop wasting their time on doing senseless things senselessly instead of focusing on making efforts to know things properly and then do them properly after knowing them in order to fulfil the purpose and plan of Allah as being part of it.

The question arises how did rulers, money lenders and mullahs managed to derail deen of Allah from its rails? They invented an idea called SHAANE NAZOOL as a rule for interpreting the verses of the quran. It is an invention whereby mullahs told people that such and such surah or verse of the quran was revealed for this or that or the other reason. The idea was instilled in minds of people that Allah was prompted by people to tell things so he revealed the message to tell them what they wanted to know as if Allah had no plan for mankind till they prompted Allah. This idea is a severe attack on integrity of the quranic text because that means the quran is an incomplete message in the sense that things people needed or were going to need in the future but they did not ask the messenger of Allah about them remain unanswered and therefore unknown. Along with that another idea was invented and that was called concept of AL-NAASIKH WAL MANSOOKH ie the idea of abrogation. Another serious attack on the integrity of the quran. By telling people to accept this idea mullahs were actually telling people to accept that Allah was not a knowledgeable being because he kept changing his mind about things every so often. Within 23 years of life of messenger of Allah according to them Allah changed his mind about things so he abrogated some verses from the quran and replaced them with some new ones. They did not stop there but also went on to invent the idea that the verses of the quran were abrogated by such and such hadith reports as if Allah was working under the authority of his messenger instead of the messenger of Allah working under the authority of Allah. Moreover if within such a short period of time of 23 years the guidance of Allah failed to work then how could it last forever when so many changes in the world were yet to come because the world was created to carry on changing always and forever? This is how deen of islam was covered up by rulers, money lenders and mullahs through cooperating with each other through interpretations based upon these like rules. This shows the length to which some people went to try to get deen of Allah out of their way so that they could be left free on their own to use and abuse humanity at will. The whole idea was to attack deen of Allah to cause confusions in minds of people and then tell people it is all confusing so let us leave it aside and do what we think is better us. This is exactly what secularist are doing even today by trying to separate God’s rule of laws from his kingdom.

The quran can be used both for guidance and misguidance. It depends on how one has learned to use the quran to see whether one has learned to guide oneself and others or misguide oneself and others.

Originality of a message and its consistency is as important as its purposefulness.

Messengers of Allah had original messages from Allah and they were consistent and purposeful. So long as ummah does not read the quran with these points in mind and starts questioning what its mullahs and ignorant, illiterate, uneducated or unthinking molvies teach it, things will not take the turn for the better.

Today people need to know the quran as we have it is original or not. It is because if we have any doubt at all that the quran we have is not original then no matter what we claim to be, we will not accept anything the quran tells us with our hearts and minds which seems to go against our personal vested interests. So the question is, how many of us human beings have bothered to learn how to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the quran we have is original?

See how people attack deen of islam by telling us the quran we have is not original.



It was duty of people who proclaimed the quran to humanity that they also prove to mankind its originality. Since we- who claim to be missionaries as a proper human community or an ummah- have stopped doing that it has given the stick in the hands of others to beat us up with. This is why instead of people coming to deen of islam are leaving it openly or secretly. Instead of reason and consistency we have adopted force where we can use it to try to enforce what we claim deen of islam to be which we ourselves have no idea is consistent with the quran or not.

Unless we start studying the quran the way we should, this situation therefore cannot improve in our favour and will keep on deteriorating. Instead of doing our God given duty the way we are told by God, we are busy doing things we want to do and the way we want to do them disregarding what Allah told us to do in the quran and the way to do it. No wonder we are not succeeding and are facing failures one after the other.

If we want things to work for us then we must stop doing whatever we are doing and think and do things we are told by the quran and exactly as we are told to do them. Only then we can be sure to succeed because if we will do what is told by the quran and the way it told us to do it then success is guaranteed.

The questions therefore are,

1)Have we bothered to find out what the quran wants us to do?

2)Have we bothered to find out the way the quran wants us to do those things?

  1. Have we prioritised whatever we are supposed to do?

  2. Have we worked out any effective action plans and have we put them in place?

  3. Are we properly organised and regulated for accomplishing whatever we are supposed to do?

If we have done all this then we are ready to face the world but if we have not done all this homework then failure is bound to be the result of whatever we do and that is what is before our very eyes. So no surprise there, is there?

Therefore if we want the world to be a blissful, dignified and secure place for our future human generations then the quran is the only book that can lead us there for sure and no other scripture, belief or deed against it can bring such success in this life or in hereafter.

So we should stop wasting our time by listening to nonsense of mullahs and their touts and instead learn how to study the quran by ourselves. If we already know the quran then we should help others do the same. We should not attribute any kind of nonsense to Allah and his messenger in the name of deen of islam. We should try our best to ensure what we are claiming as deen of islam is in actual fact deen of islam and not a make belief or a useless or a damaging action.

So we should ensure we know the quran is original, the message we are getting about the quran from any source is purposefully consistent with the quran. If we will accept anything other than that then we are not only digging our own graves but also of our future generations as well as of rest of humanity. We were supposed to be a people of knowledge and practice to educate humanity but we failed very badly and the result is in front of us that others have taken over the leadership of humanity and are leading it to its sure destruction due to following the way of life based upon personal gains at the expense of humanity instead of following the way of life advised by Allah for ensuring the well being of mankind as a proper human community. No wonder therefore why the ummah is target of wrath of rest of the world because it betrayed the deen of Allah and humanity. Time to repent and reform or end up destroyed by continuing on the course which landed us in this situation in the first place.

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I've already read it. I am asking you questions about it. Where are the answers? You deliberately seem to be ignoring my questions. What's the point of putting that post up again?

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^^that got be the longest post on GS ever.

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Mughal is ignoring the questions I asked about that post. Why put it up again? I've already read it. He's doing it on purpose. Being purposely obtuse. I actually wasted time reading that rubbish.

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he loves writing. :D

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Lol is he a troll? I think he might be

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Now if you look at the post, it begins with a few questions. The whole discussion is about, does any individual or any group muslim or nonmuslim have any idea how to study the quran properly so that we all human beings could understand it properly and thereby benefit from it by carrying out what it actually says as a book of guidance?

The first and foremost question therefore is, is the book we have and call it quran in its original form? If it is not then there is no point in wasting our time on trying to explain it. I have studied the quran as carefully as I could and found that it is definitely original as well as not a man made book. If mankind could not have produce such a book then it has to be from a higher source ie the source the book itself tells us about which is God by name of Allah. One may ask, why this book could not be produced by mankind? I have explained my reasons HERE.

Whether what I have stated is true or false can be tested. Can you therefore see what concrete proof I have offered in my above post for originality of the quranic text? If you can then we can move on to rules of explanation of the actual quranic text itself. It is absolutely necessary that we have common ground to stand upon to begin with from where we can explain to each other our points of views about the actual quranic text and what it means.

Can you or any of the maulanas you speak about prove the originality of the quranic text concretely any other way than the one I have shown here? This as far as I know is the original way of proving the originality of the quranic text. I have not come across anyone in my lifetime who has explained the originality of the quranic text this way so if you have come across any such explanation please do share the reference. You too should use my this explanation in future so that people who claim the quran is not original could see that it is original and it is impossible to prove otherwise in light of this explanation.

You cannot use hadith reports to prove originality of the quranic text nor even the text of the quran. In case of hadith reports we have opposing evidences and in case of the quran, it too depends upon its interpretations so people could claim we are making up things to suit ourselves. This is why there is need for concrete proof. This is why no person who is interested in knowing the truth about actual deen of islam can ignore my work on the quran.

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Dear thornewood, you have not read the writing properly because if you had, the questions at the very beginning of the post should have given you the sense what it is all about. Little brother You are luck that I am not of your mindset, attitude and behaviour otherwise I could have rubbed your nose. I just share whatever I can for benefit of people and avoid arguing with people. It is because I know many of us are not as luck as others in knowing things. I am grateful that I am of help to others. So be patient and steadfast in learning and God will help you learn because he helps those who help themselves in order to help others.

regards and all the best.

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If you knew what I know dear monk, you too will be forced into talking about things and writing about things so that human beings come to know better. This is how they will be able to turn our world into a blissful, dignified and secure life providing place.

regards and all the best.

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Forgive for not reading all of your posts. Let me ask you are you a sunni muslim(orthodox) ?

Also you seems like thinking, quran have more meaning.. and it need to be understood ?

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Dear brother monk, if we read the quran even in light of bad translations, it is full of verses which tell us human beings to unite and stay united as a proper human community ensuring well being of each other.

Then there are verses that tell us very clearly that we should never divide. On top of that we have verses full of warnings about terrible consequences in case we decide to divide and so on and so forth. So you can see it is not right to label ourselves other than what Allah has labelled us ie people who take the quran as their imaam and understand it properly are upon deen of islam and anything other than that leads only and only to disunity and hatred and wars because all other ways of life are based upon personal gains at the expense of each other. Only way of life based upon the quran leads to blissful, dignified and secure existence because it tells people to live for each other not at the expense of each other.

I like all other muslims also come from sectarian background but after having better understanding of the quran moved on and try to explain things to others if they can understand what I am trying to put across but learning is a very demanding task and people do find it very, very difficult if not impossible. It is an uphill struggle if you ask me. But I am still hopeful like all other people who tried to understand the quran better so hopefully people will eventually come to see sense as they make each other learn sense by force out of personal vested interests.

Yes, the text of the quran is open to interpretations because it is a human language based text and no human language is perfect but it serves the purpose so purpose wise the language in which the quran is revealed is fine and once people have the knowledge to interpret the quranic text then one can see reasonably clearly what it means. So just because words can have many meanings on basis of language it does not mean the quran cannot be interpreted correctly because its purpose of revelation provides the main reason for proper context. All this is explained in detail in my above post as well as in my explanation of the quran HERE. The main thing is that I have used rules like a flow chart to explain why the quran has to be interpreted the way I have explained. All these rules are already told about by muslim thinkers of the past ie rules are not mine but putting them in order and emphasising that order is mine. For example to interpret the quran by the quran is not my rule nor is to interpret the quran by the ahaadith but what I am saying is that first use quran based on quran interpretation and then use quran based on hadith interpretation.

Moreover before anyone could use either of these rules one has to use self evident facts as basis for interpretation of the quran. This is how I built a flow chart and then stuck to it myself and want all other interpreters of the quran do the same. I do not just say this but explain it fully why interpretation of the quran has to be that way because it is challenging for anyone muslim or nonmuslim to come up with anything better. If they can that is fine but if they cannot then they better stick to it. All because it provides solid ground that is beyond refutation by anyone who is a knowledgeable person. I do not claim I know things cent per cent but I do have some idea at least that could prove very helpful for others who wish to carry out their own research on the quran in future generations just like my generation benefited from knowledge of people like sir syed, farahi, iqbal and parwez etc to name a few.

This however does not diminish the service madrassas have provided for the ummah in sense of literacy, hifze quran and hifze hadith as well as in learning languages eg arabic and faarsi etc. Where I differ with people is mullaism ie a mindset, an attitude and a behaviour that only clergy know the deen of islam properly. No clergy knows deen of islam properly because they did not carry out any research on the information in the quran and the hadith. They were employed by rulers and they made willy nilly laws according to their suitability to facilitate their rule. There was no rule of islam after the end of the khilaafah. What people call khilaafah was merely a label but in actual fact it was rule by kings with iron fist ie imperialism in guise of deen of islam. This is why sectarianism flourished under kings because it suited them to divide and rule. Once prophet founded kingdom based upon guidance of Allah fell apart after him, it was never rebuilt. I have explained in my work on the quran why it collapsed and how it collapsed and how it can be brought back into life again.

regards and all the best.

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I did read it and in MY reply post I even bullet pointed the rebuttals to your points. YOU did not read my post otherwise you would understand what I am saying. And I was asking you questions not just on the first few paragraphs but the whole thing. There are statements you make in your post that are just completely against Islam. For instance about hazrat Isa AS having a father and the strange story you came up with aboutAdam AS gathering a community of humans and even Iblis not even being a real person. This is the problem you say YOU have studied the Quran yourself but every good researcher knows that to study a topic properly you need to look at all sources and other previous historians and scholars. You cannot just study the Quran using your own mind. And your point about Quran originality being explained through the Arabic language and function was flawed. The example I gave to refute that was the Makkah/Bakkah and Medina/Yathrib one. That was just HISTORY that wasn't a point about language. Also the seen/SWAD rule in Quran I explained that with Usman RA and how he compiled Quran afyer the prophet passed on. You see I did read your list and I understood it too but you did not read my reply. That is just sheer rudeness and arrogance. And then to not even give answers to the statements in the post is even more rude. I read ALL of your post not just the beginning paragraphs. You are just repeating yourself. You are not answering my questions. Also you don't know if I'm a little brother or not. This is the internet. If you put up long random posts prepare to be questioned on them. You have not given your qualifications to study Quran. You have not given references except what YOU have come up with yourself. That's not objective research. That's just opinion and your opinion is challenged because it cannot be backed up. And you don't even use salaam as a reply. I find that rude behaviour. So will you answer the questions I put up about your post? I'm still waiting.

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I agree with most of you said.
I do however disagree with what you said about kings +imperialism that is NOT true.

So you are going to or trying to get to wrong conclusions.
Compare the british imperialism with era of khulafa, or imperialism in 2015 with that era…
I am surprised you used that term.
In islam its called fatah → meaning opening, not taking over.
For example muhammad bin qasim, open a door to sindh… not took over whole region.

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Dear thornewood, let us take first thing first. I am offering an alternative fact based explanation to what mullahs have been feeding us over the centuries ie many made up stories about the verses of the quran as to what they mean. To validate or legitimise their nonsense they attributed their stories to the prophet because otherwise they had to answer how did they come to know what they tell us and that needed a lot of hard work in form of research and exploration which mullahs are not bothered with. With this set up they managed to fool the ignorant and the simple minded but this sort of approach does not wash with people who are better informed. Why not? Because it is truth that can be proven true not falsehood. Even if one attributed anything to God or his messenger or his scripture it has to stand the test to prove validity. It is because words attributed to God still need to be explained and understood how did they get their meanings which people say they have. These meanings still need to be rooted in reality otherwise they mean nothing at all. In other words, words need to be connected to the real world realities for their proper understanding because people cannot understand them otherwise and this is why the quran uses explanation after explanation as examples to help humanity understand things. It is because otherwise it is like someone is talking to them in a language they never knew. This is how falsehood can be caught through testing. This is why it is possible for humanity to say what can or cannot be from God with reasonable certainty.

The second thing is that I am not including criticism of stories told by mullahs because that is a not proper use of my time at the moment otherwise I could have dismantled mullahs' stupidity and then put forth my explanation. Moreover had I done that then writings will have become yet much longer. In order to help you understand my approach let me ask you, what is origin of your knowledge? How did you come to know things that you know? You will see that you have no choice but to agree that your knowledge comes from your brain and senses therefore it is based upon your life experiences. This is why your knowledge is factual. Now this being the case, can you therefore claim that any other knowledge can be as factual as that about the past or future or anything you did not experience directly? No. This is why be it the vedas, the avesta, the bible, the quran or the hadith it is only some collected information passed down to us generation after generation. We cannot be certain about its truth unless we devise a way to test things and they prove reliable or true.

So any information through any third party is dependent upon a reasonably reliable testing method for its reliability value or validity. This is why we cannot use any hadith report for anything till we are reasonably sure it is true and historical sources are yet more problematic unless we have archaeological evidences to back them up ie in some cases we do need corroboratory evidences. Our personal interpretations of facts are always much more powerful than any other source if they are logically consistent and sound. This is why when we explain facts and they make sense then they prove to us sufficiently reliable.

Now if we look at the copies of the quran that are still existing from different times and places and they are many in numbers and they can be carbon dated, we can see how people wrote the quranic text in them. In these copies of the quran there are no such variations as we are told in the hadith books. Should we accept what is before our own eyes or should we accept hadith reports? Instead of justifying the kind of variation we find in copies of the quran on basis of scribal errors in hand written copies or printing errors in printed copies or book binding errors where that is applicable etc etc, it is claimed Allah revealed the quran with textual variations. Can one believe that Allah who wants to unite humanity will give people a recipe for divisions? Because variant text are foundation for divisions and that is why the quran tells us that if it was from other than Allah we ought to find many differences therein. This is why such hadith reports are misinterpreted or false because they or their interpretations were invented to provide justifications for variations in the quranic text. This means these people were not aware of the fact how languages developed over time and this is why there are variations in all major languages because they heavily relied on each other for their development and progress. My explanation explains away the variations in a way that is backed by archaeological findings. Allah did reveal the quran in one form in reading and in one form in writing but people spoke and wrote a language as I explained it and they did that because that is the way languages came about and developed. One has to realise that Allah despite variations in the human languages managed to reveal the message that was uniform both in sense of memorised information and in form of written text. Hadith reports at most are mere historical accounts which were written by individuals for their own reasons so if they telly with facts they are ok but if not then just because they are based on isnaad (chains of narrators) does not make them sound in every way. Particularly if they contradict facts before us. Justifying variations in the quranic text is in fact attacking the authenticity of the quran at its very root. The quranic text is as solid as a rock and that is why I proved it by showing how arabic language developed over time with help of its ancestor and sister languages. One cannot find any evidence of arabic language being in use before hebrew but if you have any evidence please let us see. In fact hebrew as far as I know is ancestor of arabic not its descendent. If anything hebrew is thousands of years older than arabic. Mullahs tell us adam used to speak arabic in paradise. It is because no mullah has carried out any research and exploration regarding things the quran talks about otherwise we muslims will not be in the state of ignorance that we are but we are not going to accept it, are we? It is because if we accept we lack in factual knowledge then who is going to carry out needed research and exploration work that validate the quran because it is all haraam since all knowledge is already in the quran and the hadith regardless we need to know it or not. It is enough to say we believe and we don't need to verify anything to have faith based on reason that is logically consistent.

As far as I know arabic is a most recent of the root based widely known languages otherwise the copies of the quran we have today will have been written in a better way right from the day one. No dots on letters is proof of arabic not being developed fully yet for mass communication and publication. This is why we needed hufaaz of the quran as well as its scribes so that with help of each other they could preserve the quranic text as it was supposed to be and they did and we can see it with our own eyes even today. Relationship beltween hifz and scribing eased as better way of writing was discovered in due course so later copies had in them what earlier copies did not ie dots and diacritical marks. Even today if an arab did not already have the quran committed to his memory he will not be able to read it if dots were not there in the text. In fact one cannot read even the daily newspaper written in such a style of writing let alone the quran despite the fact that it is their mother language. The same will happen in case of urdu and faarsi languages. So can you see why you have no choice but to accept arabic was not an old language just because some one says so having nothing solid to back it up with. Why is it that we find a lot of inscriptions in hebrew and various other languages but not any in arabic if arabic was the oldest language as our mullahs tell us? It means our historical accounts have been either invented in some cases or that they have been deliberately misinterpreted by mullahs to suit themselves or both. This is why to rely on information that does not fit proper explanation is not the right way to look at things. Also if people differ about something they can never become united again unless there is something there to unite them. This is why if muslims were already divided after the prophet then no one could unite them merely by force. If they remained united it is only because they agreed upon goals and guidelines provided by the quran. However if we say that the quranic text itself became a source of controversy then divisions could only increase not decrease. Today muslims are fighting with each other over interpretations of the quran, imagine what will have happened if anyone tried to change the actual text of the quran in any way. Because things did not go bad in the ummah as will be expected back then due to some people trying to make deliberate changes in the quranic text, it is proof enough that no one tried to eliminate any existing controversy over the variations in the text of the quran. So can you see why the originality of the quranic text is of such high importance? This solid explanation shows that some hadith reports have been invented or misinterpreted to undermine the originality of the quran and its authenticity. That is all and therefore such accounts are unreliable in themselves so they cannot be used against the originality of the quran.

Coming to miracles, what miracle is more important than Allah dropping the quran from heavens in hands of each and every person in perfect state? If we have such problems with the quran itself then what other miracle can be justified? None. If any miracle was ever needed at all it was people having all they needed things to preserve the divine revelations perfectly as they were revealed from day one. When the quran tells us Allah taught man reading and writing, it doe not mean he became a human being and made adam sit in his lap and taught him things like a child. It only means he provided human beings with things of need and abilities to learn by observing what Allah had created already before human beings came on the scene. So people had all they needed for learning and teaching and doing whatever they were supposed to do to fulfil the purpose Allah created them for. All this involved natural processes or cause and effect chains and no miracles or supernatural interventions.

I will come to other questions later when you have understood the quranic originality issue fully well. So that in future you can explain it to others who fail to realise what is most important thing in islam ie the quran and its originality beyond a shadow of doubt. There is no point in going on other issues till one fully accepts the quran is original with full understanding. It takes time to absorb information to reach the depth of understanding. This is why I explain things and leave people to ponder over it rather than confronting them because that seems rude to me and that is not the way of the quran. Wisdom takes time to make its way into minds of people and to make its presence felt but only if a person wants to become a wise person and makes the needed effort. Just because mullahs tell us the quran says Allah guides and Allah misguides does not mean they are telling us the truth because they may not even know what it means themselves. Allah guides through his revelation and mankind guide themselves by enabling themselves to be able to receive guidance from the book of Allah by educating themselves. All this does not happen instantly. It is also very important that you realise the fact that arabic is based on multi root based words as I have already explained it with solid reasons. I also explained in detail why words have very many meanings in root based languages including arabic. So if any report does not fit this explanation, it is not worth paying attention to and may be it was a mistake or invention to make an attempt at trying to make the text of the quran controversial. In any case no such report can succeed against stated concrete facts.

The idea that the messenger of Allah was illiterate is monstrous because it shows Allah chose for his work someone not worthy of it and that Allah did not choose other more able people for his mission. Again as I already explained, mullahs wanted to prove miracles by portraying the prophet as an illiterate person because they had no idea that the quran is not a human work at all due to the information it contains. Instead of understanding the text of the quran they looked for cheap miracles ie here is a book from an illiterate man. They had no sense to realise that even an illiterate man could be given a written book by some one else so how does having a book regardless in memory or in writing prove its God's word? It is because any information that comes from human beings cannot go beyond the knowledge of human beings. It is because the quran goes beyond human knowledge that is why it is not work of human beings.

One has to read the verse which mullahs tell us means if Allah had revealed the quran on a mountain it will have shattered into pieces out of fear. Allah already spoke to all things when he planned them and said be and nothing shattered but the universe came into being. The actual thing the verse is telling us is very different ie should Allah reveal the truth in the quran to any highly knowledgeable person he will be humbled due to what it contains because the knowledge in the quran is beyond that a human being could come up with. This is very difficult to prove so mullahs thought let us turn to made up stories of miracles to prove the deen of islam true. This is how they moved ummah away from proper deen of islam and its practice and people who were leaders of the human world gradually turned like animals lagging far far behind rest of the world.

It is therefore time to retrace our steps back to the original deen of islam which was brought by all the messengers of Allah right from the time of prophet adam till the time of prophet muhammad. There is no more book or messenger from Allah after him and this is the concrete proof. It is because there is no any prototype new language in the world that could parallel ancient languages in which olden scriptures were revealed just like the quran. The quran even today is far far ahead of its time if we learned to read it as it should be read for its proper understanding.

Root based languages were good for revelations of Allah due to their flexibility as I explained already because fixed languages cannot accommodate divine messages due to their precision. It is a fact that root based languages are very flexible not non-root based languages. Since the quran was for much longer time than any other revealed scripture therefore it needed most flexible language that it could get at the time. Some arabic roots have thousands of meanings not just one or two. Likewise there are thousands of word that could be used to express the very same ideas. This is why as humanity develops and discovers more and more facts people will be able to interpret the quranic verses more and more precisely. So the discussion about the originality of the text of the quran has much much more for us to learn from than we can think of.

I hope this addresses your concerns about the issue of originality of the text of the quran and if you are satisfied then we can move on otherwise this discussion can continue at our own pleasure time permitting. regards and all the best.

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He is not a Sunni ... His beliefs that I have obtained from our interactions are as so:

1) He does not believe in miracles
2) He does not believe in qadr
3) He believes secular scientists are equivalent to scholarly authorities
4) He does not believe in Heaven and Hell - in the way we believe in them
5) He does not believe in Shaitan or Magic - in the way we believe in them
6) His axiom is that Islam has no clergy and all people must interpret Islam as a philosophy and that Mullaism - or hijacking of religion has been done to Islam by Mullas to keep them in power and well fed and that he sees himself almost prophetically working people away from association to Ulema.

Furthermore his methods are purely based on rationalism ... that is why he does not answer our questions ... he gives us his arguments in order to follow his thought processes because he gives them more weight than textual and traditional teachings. It is more important for him to follow a train of thought that leads to his conclusions. However, if we truly did that we could actually destroy his arguments, but one would have to be well trained in critical reasoning ... every refutation would be ignored and has to date been ignored by him. He is most likely a follower of Perveziya ... or something similar.

His stance is Qur'anic (in his own mind's eye) rather than hadith/Sunnah based as well as Qur'an.

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Thanks psyah... you saved me tons of reading.
I asked him, because calling omer(ra) and abu bakar(ra) imperialists, I mean you got to have a serious agenda.