*DARING* stuff from Lollywood!

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Who sez everything is great in the Pak film industry? thats not the point. We fail to appreciate anything good that comes from it, thats the point. Pak artistes such as Abrar, Abida Parveen etc. are really famous in India and work of Pakistani artistes has been a major 'inspiration' for Indian musicians.....so much so that they actualy lifted some stuff note by note!

BUT do u ever hear them raving about it in the media? NO. They keep mum about it all - even the lifted stuff, and completely ignore our stuff, rather than ditching their own work in favour of the Pakistanis. Take the case of "Boohe Baarian' which was lifted in no less than T H R E E vrsions in Indy land. And they raved abt the lifted song....if it were for us we wd have str8 started chanting 'charba charba'

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I personally feel we on the whole, lack in apreciation of "our" art. But I'm not saying that for everyone. There is quite a large % of Pakistani people who appreciate good things comming from our entertainment industry. Success of pop music is a proof of that. Success of dramas is a proof of that as well.

When it comes to movie there is one superb film industry (Hollywood) that people have an option for and there is the transleted american flicks into hindi (or should I say urdu) and lifted stories of Paki dramas and movies and lifted music from around the world and technically far superior to Lollywood and that is Bollywood that poeple have an option for too. So why would they waste time on Lollywood flicks? we can argue endlessly that why do they waste time on Bollywood flicks too which pathetically monotonous. But it's the way things are. Thora sa mirch masala, thora sa sex-sells rule, thori si cheap comedy and etc there you have a decent viewer ship. But perhaps it's the nice presentation of the products (like the promos etc) that pull the audience and Bollywood has mastered that art perfectly.

It would take more than patriotism and loyalty to win back the lost Pakistani viewers for Lollywood. But I think the dark days are over or are about to over to say the least. Some of the movie threads that I've seen on this board, like Salakhein (the same movie the pic is taken and posted from above) these movies look good and are ought to change film making in Pakistan. Like the success of YDAKH made producers believe that they can invest big in films. Lets hope for the best.

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Waheed Murad rocks :k: you go girl :k:

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I’ve been following the Pakistani film industry for a while now. My honest opinion is that judging art, especially quality of films, is something that sometimes has to be taken in a relative sense.

For example, you can judge this picture against American movies, or Indian movies. Or you can judge them against other Pakistani movies. What is more fair to the industry?

Pak film industry has gotten into this really big accident, and a patient in critical condition isn’t cured immediately. There is therapy involved. And that takes a lot of time. It takes a long time to build something, but its a matter of minutes to break what you’ve built.

I would give a :k: :k: :k: for this shot, mainly because its:

  1. something different. Main problem the industry is facing: lack of experimentation. No one wants to go past the maula jutt style movies.

  2. style - maybe what they’re wearing is not something we would wear, but this is an art - the whole point is that you get to see characters in get-ups that accent the emotions. Dress style is important, and at least here, they’ve gone past the lachas and dhotis.

  3. crisp clear picture - much better than picture quality of typical avg pak flicks.

If compared ag/American movies - dude, this sux. But I think it would be highly unfair to compare the work of a Pakistani film director (even the most educated) ag/ the hollywood film industry which has been developed to no ends.

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what about bolywood, or whatever it is called. All those good for nothing movies with same stories, they are not ‘bayhooda’. :rolleyes:

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*Originally posted by PyariCgudia: *

  1. style - maybe what they're wearing is not something we would wear, but this is an art - the whole point is that you get to see characters in get-ups that accent the emotions. Dress style is important, and at least here, they've gone past the lachas and dhotis.

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Just looking at that picture is enough to give me the impression that this film is no further forward from a few years ago. The girl's make up looks terrible (plastered on like a Geisha girl as usual) something that most women would have a better idea about in ordinairy households I would think. You would think that a professional film studio would at least be able to get that right.

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*Originally posted by Sofina: *
how come every1 dis lollywood but not bollywood, both have same story lines

girl + guy meet - fall in love- relative of parents don't approve -leads to parents not approving - the bad guy gets killed- they all live happily :-)

only difference is that Bolly movies are digital
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Everyone disses Lollywood cause they try so hard to copy Bollywood who blatantly plagarize Hollywood!

Pakistani dramas are really good. Now only if they could apply that to their movie industry. Pakistani movies back in the days of Nadeem and Shabnam were good. Now, they are increasingly becoming trashy in an attempt to outdo the trashiness Bollywood is spewing.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by PyariCgudia: *
For example, you can judge this picture against American movies, or Indian movies. Or you can judge them against other Pakistani movies. What is more fair to the industry?
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Or you can judge this movie (whatever it is) by the choices afforded to the viewer. Those who have a choice will compare it to the best Hollywood, Europe or Asia has to offer and give it failing grade just by choosing not to watch it. Someone else who either doesn't have this option or will want to watch anything "Made in Pakistan", may consider it to be a very good shot.

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*Originally posted by PyariCgudia: *
Pak film industry has gotten into this really big accident, and a patient in critical condition isn't cured immediately. There is therapy involved. And that takes a lot of time. It takes a long time to build something, but its a matter of minutes to break what you've built.

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Actually I don't think Pak film industry got into a big accident or they broke up something in a matter of minutes. Bad movies come out from all places, including Hollywood. That doesn't bog down a whole industry. The Pakistani film industry, in my view, committed themselves to a long process of slow-poison. From the hey days of 60's and 70's when they had talented directors, writers, musicians and actors, they went into the 80's and 90's where the art took a back seat to make money. I can write on and on about what I believe ails our film industry, and maybe I will sometime, but one thing is sure. It was very deliberate, very knowing, and an extended process. The cure is equally elaborate, and means a complete overhaul of the whole system.

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*Originally posted by PyariCgudia: *
1. something different. Main problem the industry is facing: lack of experimentation. No one wants to go past the maula jutt style movies.

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I would hope that Maula Jatt time passed a long time ago, and if alive, is probably only in a limited number of punjabi movies. Urdu movies and a lot of Punjabi movies moved on to newer things years ago.

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*Originally posted by PyariCgudia: *
2. style - maybe what they're wearing is not something we would wear, but this is an art - the whole point is that you get to see characters in get-ups that accent the emotions. Dress style is important, and at least here, they've gone past the lachas and dhotis.
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errr..... I wouldn't put down lachas and dhotis if the character demands it and if the movie is about something related to the whole thing (a village setting, maybe). Like it or not, a lot of people in Pakistan do wear dhotis and lachas and whatnot. What they hardly ever wear is mini-skirts or knee-length skirts. And this is my biggest gripe. I fear our film industry goes to an extra few miles to imitate H/Bollywood and gets detached from the message they are trying to convince. If the character is a foreigner who'd wear a western dress as part of the role, thats proly fine, but to portray normal Pakistani girls as wearing such dresses, does more disservice to our movies than help accentuate the characters.

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*Originally posted by Faisal: *

Like it or not, a lot of people in Pakistan do wear dhotis and lachas and whatnot. What they hardly ever wear is mini-skirts or knee-length skirts. And this is my biggest gripe. I fear our film industry goes to an extra few miles to imitate H/Bollywood and gets detached from the message they are trying to convince. If the character is a foreigner who'd wear a western dress as part of the role, thats proly fine, but to portray normal Pakistani girls as wearing such dresses, does more disservice to our movies than help accentuate the characters.
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Even that's not the key issue. My view is if they are going to go down that route then they should do it a bit more professionally otherwise why bother? I've yet to see a Pak movie with a decent wardrobe. It's quite a sad reflection on the national movie scene. For that reason alone I'd agree that maybe they should stick to shalwar kameezes and the rest.

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oh god.
I’m sorry but I have to say this. We only write big and talk the talk but when it comes to actully appreciating or supporting or even spreading good word of mouth, we’re nill. That’s all of us including me who spoke and expressed their minds in 4 to 5 paragraphs about film industry.

There is this one picture posted and look at all the critcism it’s getting. The shirt bad tailored. Girl’s makeup looks like plastered something and the guy is showing off and the film industry is ugly and so much else. :hehe:

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Exactly :k:

It has to be perfect for us to give credits otherwise its all crap.

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It's the national film industry so standards should be better. What's the point of giving praise for praise sake? If the film's any good it'll get praise, if it's a turkey then people will probably end up renting Bollywood videos instead.

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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *
If the film's any good it'll get praise, if it's a turkey then people will probably end up renting Bollywood videos instead.
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Speak for yourself.

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No not really, it's just a reality. You can pretend it's different if you want :)

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *
It's the national film industry so standards should be better. What's the point of giving praise for praise sake? If the film's any good it'll get praise, if it's a turkey then people will probably end up renting Bollywood videos instead.
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Xtreme summed it up right. Its SAD but ** TRUE . Majority of our population watch more Indian movies then Pakistani movies. Why is that??? Now if 20 people start posting right after this post that they only watch Pakistani movies and no India movies, that doesnt really tell the truth. We have to improve the standard of our movies to be able to compete with bollywood or be able to pull people in the theatre. Every time this issue comes up we typically get one response from the film industry.... India is a big country, the producers put more money, they have more technology.... that is all bull **... If everyone follow the same rule then we wouldnt be an atomic power as Dr Qadeer can say so what if India has it... they have more money better technology... our cricketers compete with them just fine... our dramas are better then theirs.... and another prime example.... GUPSHUP.. Indians comes over here too. So if all these people can compete with Indians why can the film industry do the same instead of whinning about money, technology and other crap.

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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *
No not really, it's just a reality. You can pretend it's different if you want :)
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atleast for me it is.

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LM, I bet, there's more Pakistani's visitng an indian site, the indian's visitng Pakistani, same with everything else Pakistani's seem to love Indian so much they juz can't leave them alone ..as for drama's .... Pakistani's drama's on Indian channels seem to be decreasing and more Pakistani's seem to be enjoying watching Indian drama's.....cud it be because India drama's touches on stories which Pakistani's drama would'nt dare think bout,,,, n e ways I give Pakistani dramas 5 years the most they'll be history like the film industry

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We’ll see.

Mind giving example of an Indian drama that most Pakis would love to watch (wait I am talking about Pakis not just you :slight_smile: ). I get all these indian channels and once a while I check their drama with those 200+ empisodes and every time I watch em seems like they are talking in a different language :confused:

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:rotfl: Which One touches the heart ??

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I think most of em touches…ahem :wink: :rotfl: