we are very quick in blaming west and india for women rapes (and rightly so) but we forget to mention this another type of societal cancer that is so prevalent in conservative male dominated Muslim societies…
that cancer is sex with young boys especially in madrassas. this is a very sad video on exploitation of young boys for sex in Afghanistan but same can be said abt the situation in Pakistan especially in NWFP areas…
WHO WILL STOP THIS?
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I've seen it before when it was aired in 2010, it's very disturbing. But what does Islam have to do with it?
It's a sick ancient Afghani practice called bacha bazi that was banned by the taliban but has re-emerged. As far as I know, it's also been made illegal by the Afghan government but the authorities have failed to abolish it.
It's sickening Astaghfirullah. The United Nations is apparently looking into this.
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of course, islam has nothing to do with it huma....you are right but this is also a fact that this bacha bazi is more pronounced in conservative muslim societies where the sexual frustration is all time high coz you cannot even see a woman face for months....women cannot leave their homes, or covered with hijab from toe to toe when they come out....and NO it is not an ancient afghani practice only...dont oversimplify things....every mosque and madrassah in punjab is plagued with this practice where molvi haazrat are doing it with innocent kids...most of these news never come out coz of embarrassment...what are you talking about?
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Exploitation of people (boys and girls) takes place in all countries. In Pakistan we find this particular phenomena where there is segregation of sexes, it has more to do with conservatism as compared to religion. Taleban/Afghan Mujahideen is a recent trend in that perspective (35 years?) before that Afghanistan was quite modern. The question we need to ask us is that has this trend increased during the past 35 years or was it the same even before 79.
Until and unless good governance is provided and culprits punished, crimes cannot be controlled.
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of course, islam has nothing to do with it huma....you are right but this is also a fact that this bacha bazi is more pronounced in conservative muslim societies where the sexual frustration is all time high coz you cannot even see a woman face for months....women cannot leave their homes, or covered with hijab from toe to toe when they come out....and NO it is not an ancient afghani practice only...dont oversimplify things....every mosque and madrassah in punjab is plagued with this practice where molvi haazrat are doing it with innocent kids...most of these news never come out coz of embarrassment...what are you talking about?
Because if this was happening everywhere in Punjab, we would know about it just like we know about the situation in Afghanistan, no? Anyway, I feel sick just talking about this. I remember the documentary had my blood boiling when I watched it especially when the tharki buddhas said there was nothing with what they were doing.
Re: dancing boys of afghanistan
Exploitation of people (boys and girls) takes place in all countries. In Pakistan we find this particular phenomena where there is segregation of sexes, it has more to do with conservatism as compared to religion. Taleban/Afghan Mujahideen is a recent trend in that perspective (35 years?) before that Afghanistan was quite modern. The question we need to ask us is that has this trend increased during the past 35 years or was it the same even before 79.
Until and unless good governance is provided and culprits punished, crimes cannot be controlled.
no religion would say, go do bacha bazi..that is right but then religous inititutions also breed an enviroment where these crimes are commited..for example churches.....we all know what priests have been doing for centuries. and same is true abt madrassas and mosques where molvis have been doing it....
when segregation of societies take place, it is again because of religion coz you cannot even see a woman face for months....women cannot leave their homes, or covered with hijab from toe to toe when they come out
so religion does play a role....not directly but indirectly
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Because if this was happening everywhere in Punjab, we would know about it just like we know about the situation in Afghanistan, no? Anyway, I feel sick just talking about this. I remember the documentary had my blood boiling when I watched it especially when the tharki buddhas said there was nothing with what they were doing.
huma you are just being a bit naive...and it is not your mistake..you dont know what happens in our streets...for that matter i am not an expert either.... most prolly a molvi sahib came to teach quran at our homes..but i am talking abt a different societal proposition
Anwar pasha is prolly the most street-grounded guppy over here...
pasha, can you please shed some light on extent of punjabi mosques and londay-bazi? u shd know abt it. thx
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PD, please don't make excuses for the men's gandi zehniyat which you're indirectly doing. Women observe pardah and that's what makes men abuse kids instead? Really? Then how do you explain what went on during daur-e-jahiliyat? Men used to have sex with their own mothers and sisters and yes, kids too. Sexual slavery was prevalent in daur-e-jahiliyat so why blame religion for making the poor widdle mard hazrat so desperate?
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PD, please don't make excuses for the men's gandi zehniyat which you're indirectly doing.
fine..instead of having an objective viewpoint, now you are exhibiting a classical mentality of female chauvinism by blaming sexual side of male responsible for all these sickening crimes ... and blaming men for doing sex with mom and sisters! u know what this is absolutely unacceptable and i protest.....but fine whatever makes u happy.
if u dont have moral courage to at least think for a second that religious or cultural forced segregation of male/female breeds sexual exploitation of young boys, then we are done with our debate...what happened in daur jahielat was a also a result of cultural-forced segregation of females and males...they did that for centuries and took pride in that (go read old Arabic poetry where they proudly talk abt their male honor by keeping their women in houses) and in result developed bacha bazi.
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so muslim women need to be western culturanized?
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I understand what PD is saying. Such a practice is prevalent in another similarly frustrated group of people. Catholic clergy.
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so muslim women need to be western culturanized?
Where exactly did you see anyone finding faults with women here?
No woman would want to live in a virtual house arrest throughout her life. It is men who are responsible for it.
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The problem arises when "MEN"regardless of religion are separated from women. Especially with teenagers and young men.
It happens in prison, it happens in any group.....
It also happens with women in women's hostels as well.
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so muslim women need to be western culturanized?
all i am saying ....take a balanced approach
no naked butt prade either but no complete segregation of male/female either....
females covering themselves head to toe in burqas or restricted to homes 24 hours...is not good for society...
let them mix in a reasonable and healthy way. that is all
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all i am saying ....take a balanced approach
no naked butt prade either but no complete segregation of male/female either....
females covering themselves head to toe in burqas or restricted to homes 24 hours...is not good for society...
let them mix in a reasonable and healthy way. that is all
Burqa is an arab thing, so me thinks that it was prevalent in khilafat times as well, so was boy rape prevalent back then as well? I do get your point about no interaction with women as even hazrat aisha (RA) used to teach sahaba and I am guessing that she was even covering her face as was the norm for the prophet's wives?
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I've just started watching it and the first thing that came in to my mind was 'Kite Runner'. It was sickening when I read that book and it is sickening now.
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I've just started watching it and the first thing that came in to my mind was 'Kite Runner'. It was sickening when I read that book and it is sickening now.
Did you watch the movie? I didn't read the novel although i thought i should but, then i changed my mind.
I did watch the movie (fast forward) wasn't it based on adulteration?
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of course, islam has nothing to do with it huma....you are right but this is also a fact that this bacha bazi is more pronounced in conservative muslim societies where the sexual frustration is all time high coz you cannot even see a woman face for months....
Sounds like a red herring. I doubt highly the simple act of "seeing" a women's face would curb this problem.
What religion provides is a pretention to authority and trustworthiness, so society in general doesn't pay heed as to what goes on there. Disbelief that they could do wrong because of appearances.
But then, a rich educated fellow wearing the "right" clothes, and clean shaven is probably just as likely to participate in this...so long as there is availability of young boys to molest and a position of trust and power placed upon him with respect to the boys.
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I've seen it before when it was aired in 2010, it's very disturbing. But what does Islam have to do with it?
It's a sick ancient Afghani practice called bacha bazi that was banned by the taliban but has re-emerged. As far as I know, it's also been made illegal by the Afghan government but the authorities have failed to abolish it.
It's sickening Astaghfirullah. The United Nations is apparently looking into this.
Man... The name is so damn creepy. "Bacha Bazi"
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I don't understand why is there a need to highlight Islam in everything that's bad in Muslim countries. I watched a documentary not too long ago where they highlighted all these westerners going on holidays to Thailand just so they can use children who work in sex trade in these places.
Bad people are in every culture, everywhere in the world. There really is no need to highlight what religion they practice.