It shows one that having a few words written in constitution against caste-ism mean nothing unless the mentality of the people change.
low-caste Dalit boy has been killed in the northern Indian state of Uttar Pradesh for sharing a name with a man of a higher caste, police say. They said Neeraj Kumar’s father Ram Sumer had been asked to change the names of two sons as they were the same as those of Jawahar Chaudhary’s sons.
The body of Neeraj, 14, was found on 23 November in a field. Two friends of the Chaudhary family have been arrested.
Mr Chaudhary denies the involvement of his family in the murder.
He says the family is being framed by police.
Dalits, formerly known as “untouchables”, are at the bottom of the Hindu caste system in India.
Although caste discrimination is illegal, biases remain in many areas.
Strangled The latest incident took place in Radhaupur village in Basti district.
Both Ram Sumer and Jawahar Chaudhary have sons named Neeraj and Dheeraj and that has long been an issue between the two families, Sub-inspector Praveen Kumar said.
Mr Chaudhary, who belongs to a higher caste, had given several warnings to Mr Sumer to change the names of his boys.
On 22 November, Neeraj left home after dinner to watch television at a friend’s house. His body was found the next day.
Police said he was strangled.
Mr Chaudhary’s sons - Neeraj and Dheeraj - are missing, but police have arrested two friends of the family who they say had a role in the murder.
these jahils idiots bring shame to india . irony here is in this case the oppressors themselve do not belong to so called high caste , chowdhrys themselves belong to lower middle level backward caste some of which come under dalits , since they are land owners they consider themselve as better caste than those dalits who are landless . now a days chief minister of uttar pradesh is a very aggressive and firebrand dalit lady mayawati , no high caste people dare to insult any dalit because she punishes immidiately with the help of strict and special powers envisaged for the protection of dalits against oppression by so called high castes in the constitution of india . this is because of her clout and dalit votebank that high caste mps and mlas touch her feet whenever they meet her , they are seated on the ground before her and she sits on the chair. so a lot of change has taken place in caste hierarchy since the independence it is fading day by day .
but jahils take decades to change despite every sort of provisions and efforts to make them civilised .
"It shows one that having a few words written in constitution against caste-ism mean nothing unless the mentality of the people change."
It means something - it means that the law will go after these hooligans. Still waiting with baited breath for the poor christain lady whose crime was to drink water from a well to be released. So rather than pick incidents to put down neighboring countries, look inward.
Since Behan Kumari Mayawati, a dalit, has ascended as the CM of most populous state of India, Uttar Pradesh, there is reduction in viloence against dalit as Harijan act comes into play. sometimes Dalits have used harijan act for their advantage too, simply killed for sharing name is doubttful, election are coming up in UP there is underlying political violence in this case which is being covered by showing this as caste wars, Chowdhary in eastern UP are generally YADAVS who vote for Samajwadi party and SCs vote for CM's bahujan samaj party. As elections will come near political violence is likely to increase.
what's there to discuss? it is a bad thing this discrimination and murder. WHy, do you expect some Indians to come and debate that?
There is lot to discuss. Instead of worrying how bad is Pakistani society, you indians should focus on your own country.
A poor boy is killed only because he was born to a lower caste and had a name that matched with some one in the high caste?
And this is not one isolated case, there are other thousands of examples about how people from lower caste are treated in india. My question, are you going to focus on solving those instead of pointing fingers at others?
^ I read recently " a resolution without debate is worse than debate without resolution". So yes, there is a lot to discuss. When the discussion is framed in a way to just taunt, no progress is made. If the aim was to get a few cheap kicks out of this, mission accomplished. If the aim was to initiate discussion on a serious topic, big fail.
Anyway, this Indo-Pak who is better or worse is waste of time. My bad got dragged into this.
^ I read recently " a resolution without debate is worse than debate without resolution". So yes, there is a lot to discuss. When the discussion is framed in a way to just taunt, no progress is made. If the aim was to get a few cheap kicks out of this, mission accomplished. If the aim was to initiate discussion on a serious topic, big fail.
Anyway, this Indo-Pak who is better or worse is waste of time. My bad got dragged into this.
Obviously you have not been following the discussions in "Pakistan Affairs" section to know the background of my post.
I generally don't give a shyt about india's internal problems, because we in Pakistan have enough problems of our own. But if indians keep throwing BS on Pakistan and keep telling how great india is, you must expect a retaliation from Pakistanis to make indians have some reality check.
I am all for having some sincere and meaningful discussions, but that should be reciprocal.
There is lot to discuss. Instead of worrying how bad is Pakistani society, you indians should focus on your own country.
A poor boy is killed only because he was born to a lower caste and had a name that matched with some one in the high caste?
And this is not one isolated case, there are other thousands of examples about how people from lower caste are treated in india. My question, are you going to focus on solving those instead of pointing fingers at others?
only good for nothing ph.ds that write thesis on empty subjects debate the obvious. Caste discrimination and murder are bad things. Why is that debatable to you?
BTW tell me who said Pakistani society is bad and I will debate them with you (assuming you didn't say that). Pak society in general is probably a lot like Indian society - very dramatic, somewhat poor, trying to survive, hero worshipping at the drop of a dime, watch cricket, eat great tasting food, needle each other endlessly, make fun of everyone else, be good at math but never use it to invent anything, eat some more, watch junk movies and dram serials, make deals with God, ....and so on. That doesn't make them bad - just very colorful and interesting and spicy.
What is bad about Pakistan is their evil military. Your patriotism will prevent you from admitting it openly but that is the fact. They have put their own interest above that of your country and society.
^^ Yes there are several similarities in both societies, both good and bad.
Right now our focus is on the bad stuff that is being "practiced" in both countries, for example the treatment of minorities, women, poor, unprivileged and so on.
And also about the rogue extremist elements on both sides, if we have some hardcore Mullahs, you have hardcore Hindus. Both have similar mentality. And this is the penetration of these elements in upper echelons of power that both on our side and your side, you find the sabotage activities taking place in each others territory.
Media censorship to protect national interest is another area, which is very much present in both countries, or for that matter in any other country of this world.
So now don't come here as a saint and tell me that only Pakistan is doing nasty stuff in india, whereas india has only love to offer.
Your last posts in PA with the sole purpose of derailing threads, where you are telling us how evil we Pakistanis are and how good you indians are, is not serving any good either for Pakistan or india.
^ so you admit your focus is on the bad stuff. But your intent seems to high light something bad about India in order make the bad stuff in Pakistan look not so bad or even worse, somehow justified. So you seem very disappointed that in a topic such as this you haven't found Indians to come out and defend the atrocity! see the difference?
only good for nothing ph.ds that write thesis on empty subjects debate the obvious. Caste discrimination and murder are bad things. Why is that debatable to you?
BTW tell me who said Pakistani society is bad and I will debate them with you (assuming you didn't say that). Pak society in general is probably a lot like Indian society - very dramatic, somewhat poor, trying to survive, hero worshipping at the drop of a dime, watch cricket, eat great tasting food, needle each other endlessly, make fun of everyone else, be good at math but never use it to invent anything, eat some more, watch junk movies and dram serials, make deals with God, ....and so on. That doesn't make them bad - just very colorful and interesting and spicy.
What is bad about Pakistan is their evil military. Your patriotism will prevent you from admitting it openly but that is the fact. They have put their own interest above that of your country and society.
what is bad in India is their religious crazy right wingers which are increasingly becoming influential and more militant and more violent.
"It shows one that having a few words written in constitution against caste-ism mean nothing unless the mentality of the people change."
It means something - it means that the law will go after these hooligans. Still waiting with baited breath for the poor christain lady whose crime was to drink water from a well to be released. So rather than pick incidents to put down neighboring countries, look inward.
She is not in jail for drinking water but atleast she has not been burnt alive like the christian missionary or raped like christian nuns in India.
She is not in jail for drinking water but atleast she has not been burnt alive like the christian missionary or raped like christian nuns in India.
Pray tell what she is in jail for.
As for your absolutely irrelevant analogy, the government of India has not sanctioned the burning of christian missionaries or rape of christian nuns. Last I checke, this lady is being held in jail by the Pakistani government.
And for those who did those horrible acts that you state here, I hope they get their due punishment. I am not an apologist for thugs and bigots - whether they are in India or elsewhere.