Dajjal

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I feel a lot of muslims take prophecies for their face value. One that comes to mind all the time is the coming of Dajjaal. As i kid i was told that Dajjal would be a monster who would wake up one day, wreak havoc and then present you with two options ie. his version of hell or heaven in the form of two big bowls in each hand. The rightful will choose his hell (which in the long run will lead them to heaven) while the weak minded will be lured to his heaven which infact is eternal damnation.

While i’m not discarding the probability that Dajjal would really show up one day, i think we’re dealing with Dajjals in our daily lives anyway. Theres so many temptations all around us that take us away from the right path eg. going partying socializing (his version of heaven) for personal gains etc while we should be performing community service and offering prayers (his version of hell) etc.

So really whats the hold up? This Dajjal that we live with everyday is actually worse than the monster thats yet to show up. I mean a monster can be taken down with a nuke cant he? Or two or three however many are required to vapourize the akhroot. But no amount of nukes can kill the one that we’re living with everyday.

So people wake up and smell the Dajjal around you. And make sure you have the proper kind of WMDs to nuke his ass.

Roza mubarak.

PS: Why is Dajjal a male and not female.

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You mean fighting our own Nafs. Yes, very true!!

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if such a thing existed or was important enough.. it would have been mentioned by Allah in the Qur'an.

Since it isn't.. (or find me the references please) it's just the same folklore that has entered our religion through post Qur'anic falsehoods and fabrications attributed to a noble Prophet.

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Maybe there is no 'big monster' to come, perhaps this (what you mentioned) is the dajjal we were told about 1400 yrs ago. We're in the midst of dajjals and yet people are still waiting for him to come. :-/

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yeah the prophet :saw: was lying when he spoke about the dajjal, infact it is us who know the real islam and our interpretations are truth, he was just an “ummi warner” astagfurullah. keep up the work of interpreting islam outside of hadith and we will keep up following the rasul :saw: and in the end allah will decide which party is the victorious.

Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind): “If you love Allâh then follow me, Allâh will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Aali Imran 3:31)

Indeed in the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in Allâh and the Last Day and remembers Allâh much. (Al-Ahzab 33:21)

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:rotfl:

Some people think everything important was mentioned in Quran. I wonder how they learned how to pray? Seems pretty important to me yet the Quran never once explains how we actually perform salat. Looks like all this time when we were praying, it was just folklore :rolleyes:

Don’t open your mouth if you don’t know jack, especially in religious matters.

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dajjal

no believer should deny the coming of the anti-christ {dajjal} it exists.

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have u ever entertained the notion that the liars who attributed and propagated fabrications in the name of my Prophet are actually to blame?

yeah.. forget the Qura’n as if it never exited?? right.. even the Prophet will testify against you guys and complain to Allah that his Ummah had deserted the Qur’an. As for victory.. :hehe: I can actually see how ‘victorioius’ your kind is around the world.. my religion is a laughing stock because of you and hasn’t seen victory in hundreds of years since your cabal took over and corrupted the religion through these fancy dajjal stories and theories.

irrelevant to this discussion but I wonder how YOU learned to pray.. don’t tell me you were a scholar of Bukhari/Muslim when u were 12 years old.. And also tell me how generations before our Prophet used to prey since they didn’t have those ‘wonderful’ books by Bukhari etc to ‘explain’ the Qur’an :rolleyes:

No mention AT ALL of dajjal in the Qur’an.. it’s just a story..

There IS mention of prayer in the Qur’an so the comparison doesn’t stick. Try again.

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You can never definitely rule out the uncertainty factor, but you can still try your best. All the work done for collecting hadith is the ‘best effort.’ You are not the first person to criticize Ilm-e-Hadith and MaShaAllah there has been a lot of work done to show that this criticism is not correct.

There are a number of places in Quran, where Allah asks Muslims to follow and be obedient to the Prophet (saw). How do you suppose we should do that?

You cannot follow Islam using Quran alone. There are so many issues that are just mentioned very briefly in Quran and there are some that are not mentioned at all. It was Prophet (saw) who practically showed us what Quran means. After hazrat Muhammad (saw), we have the life of Sahaba (ra) as an example and so on.

Another thing is that without Hadith, everyone can interpret Quran according to his own needs/wants/will.

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There are a number of places in Quran, where Allah asks Muslims to follow and be obedient to the Prophet (saw). How do you suppose we should do that?
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It has been debunked many times that the "follow the Prophet" is in his message of monotheism... not the way he dressed.

And we're not discussing the veracity of hadith literature here.. we're discussing the concept of dajjal which is totally alien to the teachings of the Qur'an.. there is absolutely no mention of such a thing so the question of hadith 'elaborating' what is in the Qur'an does not arise.. in fact the hadith is introducing new concepts and theories which should be a bidah cuz the religion was completed with the Qur'an.

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Prophecies should be taken with their face values, if thats what they mean. As far as Dajjal is concerned, he still will be a tangible person, just like you and me, as we know it from the Hadiths of the honourable Prophet (saw).

The temptations are a different thing. They have been there from the first day, when Hazrat Adam (as) had to leave heaven. They will be a test of a human being until the end of this world.

However, Dajjal is definitely a totally different phenomenon. It is mentioned in the ahadith that it will be so intense, Muslims will try to confront/fight Dajjal on the basis of their Iman, but they will fail and will become one of his followers.

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Since I am fasting, I don't want to drag this. However, briefly:

  • Since there is no mention of Dajjal in Quran, so you don't believe in it. However, for Muslims haidth is the second source of information after Quran (which you don't believe in) and it mentions Dajjal in detail. So, discussing the topic of Hadith does become relavent.

  • If you don't believe in Dajjal, just sit back and time will prove if he comes or not. Whats the worry for?

  • I will just post some verses of the Quran that emphasize how importance Sunnah of the Prophet (saw) is for a Muslim. In the light of these, anyone who thinks he can become a good Muslim by separating Quran and Hadith is committing a very serious mistake.

"And verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the last day and remembereth Allah much." [Al-Ahzab 31]

"But no, by thy Lord, they can have no real faith until they make thee judge in all disputes between them and find in their souls no resistance against thy decisions but accept them with the fullest conviction."[An-Nisa: 65]

"The answer of the believers, when summoned to Allah and His apostle, in order that He may judge between them, is no other than this: They say: we hear and we obey." [An-Nur: 51]

"Obey Allah and obey the Messenger." [An-Nisa 59]

"Whatever the Messenger giveth you take it and whatever he forbiddeth abstain from it." [Al-Hashr: 7]

"Allah did confer a great favour on the believers when He sentamong them an apostle from among themselves rehearsing untothem the signs of Allah, sanctifying them in scripture andwisdom while, before that, they had been in manifest error." [Al-Imran: 164]

"And We have sent down unto thee the Message that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them."[An-Nahl: 44]

"For he commands them what is just and forbids them what isevil; he allows them as lawful what is good and pure andprohibits them from what is bad and impure. He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them." [Al-Araf: 157]

"O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything amonst yourselves refer it to Allah and His Apostle, if you believe in Allah and the last day." [An-Nisa: 59]

"It is not fitting for a believer, man or woman when a matterhas been decided by Allah and His apostle to have any optionabout their decision. If any one disobeys Allah and His apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong path." [Al-Ahzab: 36]

"If any one contends with the Prophet even after guidance hasbeen plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than that becoming to men of faith, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen and land him in Hell, what an evil refuge." [An-Nisa: 110]

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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *

It has been debunked many times that the "follow the Prophet" is in his message of monotheism... not the way he dressed.

And we're not discussing the veracity of hadith literature here.. we're discussing the concept of dajjal which is totally alien to the teachings of the Qur'an.. there is absolutely no mention of such a thing so the question of hadith 'elaborating' what is in the Qur'an does not arise.. in fact the hadith is introducing new concepts and theories which should be a bidah cuz the religion was completed with the Qur'an.
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once again.. irrelevant to the discussion.. follow or obey the Prophet in his message of monotheism.. not how he drank water.. or brushed his teeth..

As for taking hadith to introduce new concepts into religion.. sorry.. I think the Qur'an has touched on all topics necessary for our warning and our teaching.. how do u stop opening a can of worms when u'd believe in everything and anything post Qur'an.. where does it end? besides the very concept of a "Dajjal" a boogeyman for Muslims is so foolish and mired in superstitious folklore that it should be outrightly rejected.. especially since it has no basis in the Holy Book.. the Book that supercedes all other books written by whatever scholars..

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Yes, Quran supercedes every book, as it is 'the' Holy Book. But, you are giving it a wrong meaning.

I know it is off-topic, but how do you pray (namaz)? Is it mentioned in Quran? :)

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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
once again.. irrelevant to the discussion.. follow or obey the Prophet in his message of monotheism.. not how he drank water.. or brushed his teeth..

As for taking hadith to introduce new concepts into religion.. sorry.. I think the Qur'an has touched on all topics necessary for our warning and our teaching.. how do u stop opening a can of worms when u'd believe in everything and anything post Qur'an.. where does it end? besides the very concept of a "Dajjal" a boogeyman for Muslims is so foolish and mired in superstitious folklore that it should be outrightly rejected.. especially since it has no basis in the Holy Book.. the Book that supercedes all other books written by whatever scholars..
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'cause its mentioned in Quran:

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YUSUFALI: Say (Prophet:saw:) : “If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

When you love someone, then you love each and every part of his personality. Also, Quran says that Hazrat Muhammad :saw: is a perfect example for humanity.

Verily in the messenger of God you have goodly example (uswah hasanah) – for anyone who looks unto God and the last day, and remembers God much (33:21)

Incorrect… e.g. How do you pray (namaz)? How do you give zakat? How do you know if you are eligible to give zakat? etc.

You draw a line with an Ijmaa and Ijtehad of Islamic Scholars, which is done based on solid principles.

:slight_smile: Lets see if “Dajjal” appears or not, lets standby… By the way, if you look at the prophecies in the hadith regarding the time close to the end of this world, all of them have been proven true. Is that folklore too?

You are giving it a wrong meaning.

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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
once again.. irrelevant to the discussion.. follow or obey the Prophet in his message of monotheism.. not how he drank water.. or brushed his teeth..
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Surely there must have been occasions when people came to the Prophet (saw) asking for clarification on how to pray, how to perform hajj etc. etc. According to you he'd have replied: "Don't ask me, i'm only an example for monotheism, i can't help you at all when it comes to prayer, zakat, hajj, marriage rites or anything else for that matter... your on your own there my people."!! I think everyone here - besides PA - will quickly see how stupid that sounds.

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Re: Dajjal

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*Originally posted by cHEeGUm: *

PS: Why is Dajjal a male and not female.
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Erm, isn't the person who eventually kills Hazrat Isa supposed to be a woman? I don't know where I heard this but...ponders...oh well...

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The concept of Dajjal is also in the Bible. The general idea of many Christians/Catholics is the same; the anti-christ will appear and people will have to choose, his way or their own beliefs and there will be a major battle, which is when Hazrat Isa will return. It's scary cause they believe very passionately in this. It's not only Muslims.

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PA…The Prophet :saw: was the light of knowledge and enlightenment in everything he said and did, and everything he said and did was to make Allah :swt: happy, and to make Allah :swt: happy, is what Muslims are supposed to do…

As an experiment, light a candle, take a newspaper and put it 5 inches away from the flames and read the text, can you read it? Now do it 10 inches away, can you still read it? Now do it fifteen inches away, can you read it? You will find that the more farther you go away from the light of the candle, the less you are able to see and read what’s in the paper…

Similarly, the more closer one is to following the Deen as the Holy Prophet (saw) practiced, the more elightened, the more guided and the more closer he is to Allah (swt) and hence in the circle of light…And if knowing and doing the things the way the Holy Prophet (saw) did, like drinking water and dressing up, is being closer to the Deen, then so be it…We shall InshAllah imitate the Holy Prophet to even how he cleaned his teeth and chewed his food…

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Re: Re: Dajjal

Hazrat Isa :as: will not be killed…