Maybe this has been discussed before. But I’m coming across some essays that suggest Dajjal is not necessarily a human, that it could be a system. One eye to indicate rule united under one system. A man with one eye would be too obvious. It is said that he will be the “false messiah” and people will fall for him, so with an obvious prediction of a man with one eye and KFR written on his forehead, if he is a person, he should be easy to recognize. In fact, doesn’t Mullah Omer have one eye?
Very peculiar essays on this floating around. Imran Hosein has written an article on this, and more conspiracy theories floating around on the net. Dunno if this is propaganda to turn against USA/Israel, etc. But keeping that aside, just the idea that Dajjal is a representation of an empire is interesting. But if that was the case, then I would think the Roman empire could have been considered the Dajjal (although their tyranny precedes the times of the Prophet), or Russia could have been considered the dajjal or what about Nazi Germany.
the description of the Dajjal we have through the sayings of Prophet [saws] confirms that Dajjal will be a human or human like personality [for instance, he will have one eye, will carry jannat in his right hand or on his right shoulder and hell in the other hand or on the other shoulder].
i believe that he is gonna be a human or human like individual.
lol @ Mullah Omar being a Dajjal...in the 60's, Israeli general Moshe Dayan, who wore a patch on one of his eyes, was also considered a Dajjal. :D
Ameer ul Momanin Mullah Muhammad Umer Mujaahid is not Dijaal. He lost his eye in afghan war against USSR back in 1989. As far as dijal is concerned, he will be a human, acording to Hadees Predictions. I guess, from Israel.
There's both the system and the individual. Physical traits of the individual (apart from the one eye) are described in ahadith. From what I remember, he isn't someone who lost a working eye, the one eye is a trait of his from the beginning.
^ i've heard that he'll have his eye in the middle of his fore head. may be a birth defect!
AsSalaamo Alaikum,
We should be very careful with hearsay, because it leads to mockery of authentic reports.
[quote] **Hadith - Bukhari 9.245::: ** **Narrated Anas, The Prophet (pbuh) said, **"No prophet was sent but that he warned his followers against the one-eyed liar (Ad-Dajjal). Beware! He is blind in one eye, and your Lord is not so, and there will be written between his (Ad-Dajjal's) eyes (the word) Kafir (i.e., disbeliever)."(This Hadith is also quoted by Abu Huraira and Ibn 'Abbas).
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[quote] Hadith - Bukhari 9.504, Narrated Abdullah, Ad-Dajjal was mentioned in the presence of the Prophet (pbuh). The Prophet (pbuh) said, "Allah is not hidden from you; He is not one-eyed," and pointed with his hand towards his eye, adding, "While Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal is blind in the right eye and his eye looks like a protruding grape."
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I think you may be referencing the first hadith, and what is written between the two eyes? Allah knows best.
So, any consensus over dajjal among certified muslims?
Given that his appearance is a pre-requisite to the appearance of imam mahdi and given that everyone is going to recognize him and imam mahdi as soon as they appear, there ought to be some certainty about him.
Could you people list his attributes as you understand them? List please. No essays.
So, any consensus over dajjal among certified muslims?
Given that his appearance is a pre-requisite to the appearance of imam mahdi and given that everyone is going to recognize him and imam mahdi as soon as they appear, there ought to be some certainty about him.
Could you people list his attributes as you understand them? List please. No essays.
Remarks like this typically herald the derailment of a healthy ongoing discussion, and start the age old circular arguments which then require Moderator intervention.
Since this seems like a tongue-in-cheek sort of remark, and you being an intelligent person I would refer you to the authentic books of Hadith to find precise description. It will do two things, firstly it will save everyone from writing essays, and secondly it will provide you with all the description you need; sincerity in knowledge coming from seeking it out. Actual sincerity in the quest being a pre-requisite. Alternatively, you can use the Search feature, and find sufficient material outlining the description, though I'm afraid you may discover essays upon essays on the topic instead of a concise list that you seek.
According to Ahmad Thompson’s book - Dajjal is a three tier phenomenon …
The Dajjalic Culture
The Dajjalic Elite
The Dajjal - The Person
Each paves the way for the next tier, and each increases through time in its signs both in the variety of signs and in the magnitude of those signs. The signs are known to us through the books of ahadith.
It is quite easy to know where literal references are being made and where metaphoric references are being made if the grammar and style of sign is analysed. I must say that Imran Hosein is wrong in his connection of the Jews and Americans with Dajjal. His lines of divide are clearly around Capitalism and Socialism. He believes that the Christians who side with the Muslims in those battles will be from the Communist countries and as a result he has given over to side with people like Bashar Al-Assad, because Assad represents Ba’ath (Arabic Socialism).
Hosein is right somewhat about Zionism … however, he is wrong again in assuming that Yajuj and Majuj are the Jews … He has rather fantastic stories to make those connections and uses the Khazar - Ashkenazi Jew relationship to demonstrate that. The point being that all references point to the Russians/Turks/Chinese as being Yajuj Majuj and he uses this spurious connection to make it work … but since we know that Yajuj and Majuj are plentiful in number the connection does not work.
Personally I feel that Yajuj and Majuj are a counterbalance to the Dajjal and not part of it (him) and both are a fitnah for the Muslims/good souls. It may be a blessing that we are not entirely sure how these signs will eventually manifest … so the questions about obtaining consistency in understanding this matter are out of place … when these things happen and en masse the ummah moves that will be how we are to understand the matter, before that is only conjecture, if only small sections of the ummah move in certain directions clinging on to certain interpretations then we know that the true understanding in those splinters has not been met.
If you think of a turbulent river although some of its portents will divert and move in a different direction to the main body … when we describe the course of the river we ultimately look to the main body … so please stick to the main body of Islam.
dajjal has been traditionally taken as a person. Dajjal as a system or culture are rather recent ideas. Also Muslims have started to acknowledge that the ride of dajjal that is depicted as a donkey in ahadith actually points to recent inventions like airplane etc. but still a long way to go.
Still they argue on whether his being one-eyed will be by birth, it will appear in the center of his forehead etc. but totally ignore the wisdom hidden in the ahadith mentioned by teggy i.e.,
Dajjal will be one-eyed but your lord is not. Just this line shows that physical blindness is not referred to.
dajjal has been traditionally taken as a person. Dajjal as a system or culture are rather recent ideas. Also Muslims have started to acknowledge that the ride of dajjal that is depicted as a donkey in ahadith actually points to recent inventions like airplane etc. but still a long way to go.
Still they argue on whether his being one-eyed will be by birth, it will appear in the center of his forehead etc. but totally ignore the wisdom hidden in the ahadith mentioned by teggy i.e.,
Dajjal will be one-eyed but your lord is not. Just this line shows that physical blindness is not referred to.
Peace kchughtai
If you look at the hadith about having a "donkey" - the metaphor is direct - in other words mode of travel. If you have accepted that then it must mean that Dajjal is human because only humans travel in planes. It's clear also that Dajjal has two eyes ... from hadith ... He will be blind in both ... yet he will be one eyed ... So from hadith he will be all three ... No eyed, one eyed, and two eyed ... So we don't need to go far to understand that we need interpretation here. A reconciliation is required for this, but before we do that we need to go back to the hadith themselves.
It is enough for a Muslim to know that any form contained in 3D space cannot be God ... If he needs planes to travel with it is just another marker of his subservience to nature. However, the atheist mind or the mind that has not been accustomed to miracle (having explained things away) will see him achieve amazing things and that will make that person falter ... in awe and start to believe that only God can take life and give it back ... And yet if that is a metaphor in itself with modern medical technology we can achieve many things making it seem that life may be mechanical we could be left to discard the religious concepts as make beliefs ...
The cautious approach is that Dajjal is already here ... We know that he is already a known person ... as met by the few who saw him chained on an island ... Who is to say that the direction of the media, politics, economy and warfare is not a brainchild of his making ... ??? We shall wait and see.
How realistic is it that Armageddon will be carried out on a Super-Donkey?
Realistic? Many a time, your responses to religion based matters contain an undertone of mockery or aggression. Perhaps I am mistaken and this time it is merely doubt. From a human perspective, how "realistic" is it to survive inside the belly of a whale for weeks? How realistic is it to split a sea with a staff? How realistic is it for the Earth to be created in a mere six days? Some argue that days could actually refer to 6 eras or periods. So, it boils down to either a literal interpretation or a figurative one. The literal interpretation is still possible for Allah. If realistic-ness is the source of contention for you, then why are you stuck on the donkey when there are many unrealistic accounts in the Quran that you could dwell over? Look around you my dear, what is so realistic about planet Earth being a perfect distance from the sun? The seamless alteration of night and day? Who controls the sun, the moon, the rotation of the earth? Certainly not us humans, despite our advancements in technology. These examples of creation are far more miraculous and incredulous than the donkey. If Allah is controlling the sun, the moon, and the systems that make up our planet, then He is capable of everything. Now back to your original question. Dajjal will come as the false messiah whom people will follow in hordes. In order for him to have such a mass following, he will need a system. Think of celebrities. Their popularity is not a single-handed effort. It requires the contribution of a strong PR system, lucrative business offers, etc. In short, there is a system. One who wants to rule the world as Dajjal does will have an intricate system in place. It's not so hard to believe that the Dajjal is an actual person who will have an established system, so I agree with Captain Obvious. And I believe there are details about the donkey reference that you can google which allude to an interpretation that it represents modern-day air-craft. When you look at it from this angle, doesn't seem so unrealistic does it?
A man with one eye would be too obvious. It is said that he will be the "false messiah" and people will fall for him, so with an obvious prediction of a man with one eye and KFR written on his forehead, if he is a person, he should be easy to recognize. In fact, doesn't Mullah Omer have one eye?
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Obvious? Are you basically saying that the physical description is so obvious that it should therefore be easy for Muslims to not only recognize Dajjal but to protect themselves from him? First let's talk about obviousness. The one-eyed sign on the dollar, in various brand logos, and look at how often celebs including world leaders flash the one-eyed sign in the media. Look at how obvious and in-your-face and all-ova-the-place that is, but it's still not enough to rouse people from their sleeping, numbed-by-materialism states. PCG, the sadly comical irony is that despite bearing such blatant physicals marks upon his person, the Dajjal will be hard for even the Muslims to both escape and resist. If you read up on him, you will find that he will perform miracles that will deceive the masses. People who are dying from hunger and thirst will be overwhelmed by his ability to produce rain from the skies. When people are in such a desperate state of survival, it becomes easier for them both mentally and emotionally to succumb to these bargains or bribes. One will need very strong imam to resist the Dajjal. It is even said that the Dajjal will get the jinns to impersonate the voices of our deceased loved ones such as our parents and children to make us surrender to him. And look at how many Muslims today both dismiss and scoff the existence of both jinns and magic and magicians despite their mention in the Quran? Dajjals corrupt system entails the use of jinns and magic among other things. The thing is, PCG, you are only focusing on the obvious physical markers of Dajjal believing them to be sufficient for Muslims to be on their guard and firm on their iman. That is not so. If you read the other descriptions regarding Dajjal's methodology, you'll see that it's harder to escape him.
If you look at the hadith about having a "donkey" - the metaphor is direct - in other words mode of travel. If you have accepted that then it must mean that Dajjal is human because only humans travel in planes.
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humans are at the center of all the development, the world order, civilization and so and so forth. but it doesn't mean one man as you have earlier accepted it by referring to the trilogy of a man, elite and civilization. The 'donkey' having attributes mentioned in ahadiths refers to the ride of era of dajjal.
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It's clear also that Dajjal has two eyes ... from hadith ... He will be blind in both ... yet he will be one eyed ... So from hadith he will be all three ... No eyed, one eyed, and two eyed ... So we don't need to go far to understand that we need interpretation here. A reconciliation is required for this, but before we do that we need to go back to the hadith themselves.
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Yes, we need interpretation here but still there is so much emphasis on his being one-eyed. The hadith mentioning dajjal being one-eyed but Allah is not, coupled with the information you provided above should be enough to see that literal meanings will not do here. You said we should go back to ahadith. ok but why just ahadith. Why not Quran. We know that initial and last verses from Surah al-kahaf are recommended against the fitna of dajjal. Here are a few verses:
18:101) those whose eyes had been veiled against any remembrance of Me because they could not bear to listen
18:102) What! do then those who disbelieve think that they can take My servants to be guardians besides Me? Surely We have prepared hell for the welcome of the unbelievers.
18:103) Say: Shall We inform you who will be the greatest losers by their works?
18:104) Those whose effort goeth astray in the life of the world, and yet they reckon that they do good work.
Please ponder over the above verses.
1) Eyes under veil against any remembrance of Allah. [clearly, physical eyes are not meant here. ]
2) All their focus is this life of the world. Apparently, they do good work but still they are losers.
3) They take servants of Allah to be Guardians besides Allah
In ahadith, it is mentioned that dajjal will be blind in his right eye [the spiritual aspect is dead] yet it is prominent like a protruding grape. His left eye [wordly eye] is very sharp and strong. for instance, he can see the hidden treasures etc.
The cautious approach is that Dajjal is already here ... We know that he is already a known person ... as met by the few who saw him chained on an island ... Who is to say that the direction of the media, politics, economy and warfare is not a brainchild of his making ... ??? We shall wait and see.
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Dajjal is chained on an island yet he is controlling the trends of the world. what is this??
