Re: Dajjal: System or Person?
You mean the cloud that my iphone keeps telling me to beam my data up to?
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To say he IS chained on an island might be out dated … I said he was seen chained to an island … and there he exclaimed that his time was near … 
At least* try* to make an effort to understand … He may not be chained anymore … in other words.
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I thought that he was already released and that released meant that the chains were removed and he has been busy establishing his system, but will one day come out and confront the masses. So is this understanding incorrect then?
Also, the Jews believe that their messiah, Dajjal, will come when the temple of Solomon us reconstructed. To do this they have to destroy Masjid Aqsa which they're already doing. So, if the construction of this temple is completed in our lifetime, then we will see Dajjal. What does Islam say about this temple's reconstruction. And what are u folks' opinions?
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this is what muslims believe? that the jewish messiah is the anti-christ? 
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may be, could be, might be. it means its all conjecture you are resting your thoughts on. who saw him and on which island? I thought it would be the masih(as) who would recognize him.
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Peace queer
Muslims believe that the Jews will mistake the Dajjal for being the Messiah … this is why he is called the anti-christ … i.e. imposter Christ.
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may be, could be, might be. it means its all conjecture you are resting your thoughts on. who saw him and on which island? I thought it would be the masih(as) who would recognize him.
Peace kchughtai
Some parts are conjecture yes ... For prophecies we cannot be sure until they happen. There is no tradition that states only the Masih (AS) will recognise him ... All who believe will see kufr written on his forehead and the Masih (AS) will be the only one who can kill him ...
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Peace psyah,
Can you please also tell if dajjal's donkey will also be a donkey as described in ahadith ? What will be its destiny? will it be killed by Masih(as) ? Also, will the 'killing' of dajjal be a permissible action for a prophet of Allah? Will the people at that time be ok with Him killing the dajjal ? Sorry, I asked too many questions at one time. Perhaps you can just briefly answer them. Thanks.
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A majority of muslims believe that people of the scripture (Christians, and Jews) will ultimately recognize and accept Isa (a.s.) as a messenger of God thus establishing the truth, and fulfilling his mission as a messenger to them, though a majority of them had rejected him earlier. Muslims will already be with him because Islam recognizes Jesus (a.s.) as a true messenger, along with others that came before him, and Muhammad (peace be upon him) being the final and last messenger. All messengers had warned their people about Dajjal, and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) being the last and final messenger gave the most details because that would be the last divine knowledge after his passing, and after Quran. That’s how we know about Dajjal(s); it has been conveyed through hadiths.
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I dunno Mr. Popat …
Here is a white jet (concept), that has a wing span of 60 feet = 40 cubits.
It looks quite intimidating … I think the donkey is not a literal reference. We also believe that the Dajjal will be mistaken by the Jews to be Messiah … so this link is interesting too.
The Messiah’s Donkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
According to Hassidic teaching the donkey is a symbol of the fact that the Messiah and Messianic age will not oppose the material world, but rather harness it for sacred purposes. Thus, the act of riding upon the donkey is a symbol of the sovereignty of the Messiah over the **material world **(represented by the donkey).
Our understanding cannot veer too far away from the Jewish understanding - except that it will be opposite … For them they are already saying that Messiah and his instruments will dominate the material world …
Since the belief is that it will not be literally a donkey - it can’t die or be killed … Yes … the killing of Dajjal will be only be possible by a prophet of Allah (SWT) … so to be permissible is an understatement - it has to be necessary. Al-Khidr also killed the young boy who would grow to be evil and he had not even done any wrong at that point in time.
Many people will not be okay with Isa (AS) killing Dajjal … but that is what war is about …
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Dajjal is definately a person and will rise when non- believers will be very common on Earth. The sahaba pleaded for more description of the Dajjal and the prophet (pbuh) described him as having on bad left eye.
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So a literal human-like creature who will be blind from one eye will be on a metaphoric donkey. Perhaps it’s ok to say that the dajjal may well be a pilot by profession ?
Also, why is it that one part of the hadith is taken literally while the other not literally ?
No one will be ok with Jesus to be killing dajjal, my friend. You think Jesus a.s will kil dajjal and not face any consequences? and also go around breaking crosses and killing of swines?
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the understanding of dajjal and true messiah is so confused. on one hand, people who believe that the people of book will believe in Jesus(as) on his second coming also believe that Jews will believe in the Dajjal as their Messiah. why this paradox??
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As for the reference of wikipedia quoted by psyah, following is important to note:
In the New Testament (Mark 11:1-11) it is told that as Jesus approached the Mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples to a nearby village to fetch him a donkey. Upon their return, Jesus then rode the donkey into Jerusalem where he was met by cheering crowds. According to the Christian religious tradition, this was the fulfillment of the prophecy of Zechariah 9:9.
so the reference of Messaiah in Jewish texts riding a donkey refers to Jesus(as) i.e., first coming.
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Peace Mr.Popat
I’ll read that link after this post …
The ahadith of the Dajjal and the donkey are as so:
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Jabir bin Abdullah (ra) narrated. That Prophet (saw) while discussing about Dajjal said: And his donkey on which he will arrive, will have a span of 40 hands between his two ears.[Musnad Ahmad].
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Ibn Umr (ra) narrated: Prophet(saw) while discussing about Dajjal said: He will have a donkey whose span between two ears will be 40 Ba.[Kunzal Amaal].
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Abu Hurrairah (ra) narrated that Prophet(saw) said: Dajjal will come on very white donkey. Whose span between two ears is 70 Ba. [Bihaqqi].
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Prophet(saw) said, “The distance between the two ears of the Dajjal’s donkey will be 70 cubits” [Baihaqi, Meshkat].
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Nawas(ra) bin So’man narrated that : Prophet(saw) said, “The Dajjal’s movement will be very fast. It will roam the sky like a cloud driven by wind.” [Muslim, Tirmizi].
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One of the companions asked,” O Allah’s Messenger, how fast will he travel? Thereupon he (saw) said,” like cloud driven by wind”. [Muslim,Tirmizi] .
The donkey reference here is not metaphorical … It is also not a literal reference. It is an exchanged term. So the essence of the hadith is literal, except in those concepts that do not exist of the time when the statements were made … i.e. since planes were not invented the reference to plane or vehicle was not mentioned to avoid disclosure of a future event. We have to bear in mind also that RasoolAllah (SAW) having received knowledge directly would relate the knowledge in linguistic terms that are already understood …
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Where do the people who write such voluminous books get their information from :) The Quran only says so much....People should abusing their reading abilities.
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Peace Mr.Popat
I'll read that link after this post ...
The ahadith of the Dajjal and the donkey are as so:
Jabir bin Abdullah (ra) narrated. That Prophet (saw) while discussing about Dajjal said: And his donkey on which he will arrive, will have a span of 40 hands between his two ears.[Musnad Ahmad].
Ibn Umr (ra) narrated: Prophet(saw) while discussing about Dajjal said: He will have a donkey whose span between two ears will be 40 Ba.[Kunzal Amaal].
Abu Hurrairah (ra) narrated that Prophet(saw) said: Dajjal will come on very white donkey. Whose span between two ears is 70 Ba. [Bihaqqi].
Prophet(saw) said, “The distance between the two ears of the Dajjal's donkey will be 70 cubits” [Baihaqi, Meshkat].
Nawas(ra) bin So'man narrated that : Prophet(saw) said, “The Dajjal's movement will be very fast. It will roam the sky like a cloud driven by wind.” [Muslim, Tirmizi].
One of the companions asked,” O Allah’s Messenger, how fast will he travel? Thereupon he (saw) said,” like cloud driven by wind”. [Muslim,Tirmizi] .
The donkey reference here is not metaphorical ... It is also not a literal reference. It is an exchanged term. So the essence of the hadith is literal, except in those concepts that do not exist of the time when the statements were made ... i.e. since planes were not invented the reference to plane or vehicle was not mentioned to avoid disclosure of a future event. We have to bear in mind also that RasoolAllah (SAW) having received knowledge directly would relate the knowledge in linguistic terms that are already understood ...
Yeah, so why don't you see dajjal's ahadith in it's entirety, for example, look for the hadith which states that in order to stay away from dajjal, you should read the first 10 and last 10 verses of surah-kahf. Also, that one of the dream of Huzur pbuh suggest that Dajjal will be doing tawwaaf of kaaba, and in another hadith it says that dajjal will not be allowed to enter the holy cities. Jesus a.s killing dajjal, breaking cross and killing swines, dajjal being chained in an island etc.. There are many ahadith from which you can easily draw your conclusion that it is not a human like creature that you're confusing dajjal with, but rather a system and Christianity which claims Jesus a.s to be the son of God is being referred to as dajjal. Killing of dajjal means to face their accusations and prove their religion false.
Rest is all up to you. You can keep believing what you've always been believing even if it makes little to no sense.