Daily Columns.....PTI losing the moral and constitutional ground

Khurshid Nadeem is one of the most learned, serious and respectable journalist out there…it could be dense for some but please take 5 min to read his column.

he has made some serious points. How hard it is for PTI to understand that it is absolutely not representing majority of Pakistanis in its unconstitutional demand of removing an elected PM when our constitution clearly spells a way of ousting a sitting prime minister, if needed.

In pushing for its unconstitutional demand of removing an elected PM via containers, dharnas, music concerts and my way or highway type mentality , it setting a precedent which is more close to taliban than a democratic set up

and as i said it before PTI could not even win polls at Pakistan affairs ¶ @gupshup the most urban forum of Pakistanis…over 60% of paray likhay Pakistanis have opposed PTI’s core demand that PM should resign..that says it all!

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yes who will take PTI seriously after all these unconstitutional demands…civil disobedience, removing an elected PM via force. Irfan Hussain has been a staunch opponent of PMLN throughout these years and no one can blame him for a PMLN stooge…please listen to what he is saying

                             **[Banana republic](http://www.dawn.com/news/1127119/banana-republic)**

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                           So it has come to this: a firebrand demagogue and a  fire-breathing cleric leading a few thousand supporters can bring the  country’s capital to a halt, disrupt thousands of lives, and push the  system to the brink. 

All this to satisfy their swollen egos and their vaulting ambitions. While this sorry drama is being played out in Islamabad, the rest of the country is being held hostage. Imran Khan is commanding his cohorts to stop paying taxes, and threatens to continue his sit-in until death.
For his part, Qadri wants to lock up the prime minister while he brings about his revolution. Although both leaders have led their respective motorcades through searing heat and pouring rain, they have preferred the air-conditioned comfort of their well-appointed mobile homes. Surely revolutionaries should be made of sterner stuff.

Meanwhile, a PTI minister from KP has announced his province will not pay the federal government for utilities, and if the province is cut off as a result, it will stop transmitting electricity generated there. With each threat, the stakes are raised, and the corner these adventurers have painted themselves into shrinks. Who will take these jokers seriously now?
[HR][/HR] The drama in Islamabad is holding the rest of the country hostage

[HR][/HR] It will take more than a few thousand people squatting before parliament for Nawaz Sharif to resign. Until the troops of 111 Brigade now guarding the capital’s high-security ‘red zone’ turn their guns in his direction, this prime minister isn’t going anywhere. In fact, for him to quit in the face of a rabble would be dereliction of duty.

Ultimately, this isn’t about Nawaz Sharif but the democratic system we have been trying to put in place for decades. If some disgruntled people led by power-hungry politicians can topple an elected government, then clearly we stand reduced to the status of a banana republic.
One PML-N minister recently announced that the economy had lost Rs500 billion because of the agitation. Even if this is an exaggeration, the fact remains that large parts of Lahore were under lockdown for days. Islamabad is under siege. Hundreds of containers have been diverted in a futile attempt to block the demonstrators. Tens of thousands who depend on daily wages have been unable to work.

So while Imran Khan and Qadri bang on about their devotion to the masses, in reality they are utterly callous to their suffering. Qadri has announced he can save and generate a trillion rupees that he will spend on creating a welfare system. Good plan, maulana! Now why don’t you put it before the electorate in 2018 and see what they think?

Imran Khan insists the election was stolen from him, although no serious local or international observer monitoring the 2013 election saw any sign of massive rigging. And while the Election Commission has been inexcusably slow in deciding on the petitions before it, this is nothing unusual: our judiciary is not known for speed, and the ECP is composed mostly of retired judges.

As this attempted power grab is being played out in Islamabad, our soldiers are fighting and dying against jihadi terrorists. India has just cancelled a high-level meeting, and Nato troops are on the verge of departure from Afghanistan. The stock market has plunged, and the rupee has dipped against the dollar. The Sri Lankan president has put off a visit to Pakistan due to the turmoil.

Khan and Qadri seem oblivious to these developments. For them, the most pressing need of the hour is Nawaz Sharif’s exit. While I am no great admirer of his, I do support a democratic dispensation, and the crux of democracy is the willingness of the losers to wait for the next election to try their luck.

By their reckless brinkmanship, both Imran Khan and Qadri have exposed themselves for what they really are: rash gamblers willing to chance everything on the roll of the dice. They have squandered their credibility by betting that they could cause enough havoc to force the army to intervene. But as many of their disillusioned followers call it a day, it has become clear that they have failed in their purpose. Apart from exposing Imran Khan and Qadri, this crisis also shows how weak the state has become.

Despite their failure, they have succeeded in enfeebling Nawaz Sharif. For weeks, this government has struggled to shape its response to the two-pronged assault. Even though it seems to have seen the challenge off, its strength has ebbed away. The circling vultures will have noted the jerky movements of a lame-duck government.
I have no doubt that both Khan and Qadri will continue plotting Sharif’s early fall, and may well find more allies in their quest for power. As the PML-N retreats into its shell, it will become even more paralysed, and even less capable of governing. The army will benefit from the government’s increasing dependence on it for support. The demand for its early exit may thus become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Published in Dawn, August 23rd, 2014

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ladies and gentlemen the point that most of political commentators are making is that Ultimately, this isn’t about Nawaz Sharif or Imran Khan anymore but the democratic system (regardless how how fragile it is) we have been trying to put in place for decades is at stake. If some disgruntled people led by power-hungry politicians can topple an elected government, then clearly we stand reduced to the status of a banana republic.

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**[writer criticizing PMLN tactics heavily as well and rightly so…but the key point remains alive that PTI and PAQ are taking a route that is unconstitutional

The lost week that was](http://www.dawn.com/news/1126610/the-lost-week-that-was)**

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                           Regardless of the final outcome of the weeklong marches  and dharnas, Pakistan seems to have been put back under authoritarian  control and this is likely to impose heavy costs on the state and the  people in the days to come.

**The demands Imran Khan and Tahirul Qadri made were political and they struck a sympathetic chord in many a citizen’s heart, but neither of them had the credentials of an anti-authoritarian democrat. They laced their slogans of freedom and revolution with patchy references to history and thus failed to attract the revolutionary core in labour and peasantry. **

**Also the plight of Balochistan and Sindh did not figure in their concerns and this reduced their challenge to a largely intra-Punjab affair, reinforcing the view that, for the powers that be, Pakistan only means Punjab. At best, they only established themselves as coup-makers without uniforms. They owe their glory to a heavy-footed government that saw safety in making itself invisible and left the public space open to them. The government won credit by following the advice to eschew use of force but this is unlikely to help it alter the script. **

The march-dharna confrontation has exposed the state’s vulnerability to upheavals caused by lack of proper governance. The government has failed on two main counts.
[HR][/HR] The government courted trouble by appearing to be without a political response to the situation

[HR][/HR] Firstly, it treated political challenges as law-and-order matters. Considerable resources were wasted on plans to prevent the marchers from leaving Lahore. The sudden lifting of roadblocks gave the crowd a sense of victory that encouraged it to push forward. The story was repeated again and again till the final retreat on Tuesday evening.

Besides, the government wrongly relied on the police to manage the crowds although they have repeatedly been found deficient in this area. If nothing else, the mess the Lahore police had made outside Tahirul Qadri’s office two months earlier should have convinced the authorities of the ineffectiveness of this approach. Made to answer for the Model Town excesses the police were too demoralised to take on the challengers in Lahore or Islamabad.

Secondly, the government courted trouble by appearing to be without a political response to the situation created by the two marches. By allowing normal life in Islamabad to be suspended, the government handed the agitators a concession they had not earned. It needed to keep its opponents at bay without allowing the administration to collapse.

Above all, the prime minister failed to realise that parliament alone could underwrite his claim to legitimacy. He should have faced the charge all the time from Parliament House. This way he could have prevented the challengers from monopolising the media outlets.

Mercifully, not everybody was carried away by the marchers’ chant. The Supreme Court rightly resisted being drawn into the unsavoury affair though one wished the practice of taking political matters to courts had ceased.

Most of the political parties that tried their hands at mediation won respect by deciding against taking advantage of the government’s difficulties. But they must accept blame for lack of clarity in their initiatives. The government was frequently advised to offer some sacrifice to save the system, but the Good Samaritans were long on generalised homilies and short on specifics of compromise formulas.

One was reminded of an abduction-for-ransom situation in which the victim family is advised to meet the kidnappers’ demand to some extent in order to ensure the safety of the kidnapped person. These intermediaries would have garnered strong public support if they had spelt out the steps the government could have taken to defuse the situation.

While no one can see a peaceful and fair resolution of the situation as it developed yesterday, the fact that our fledgling democracy’s progress towards maturity has been severely undermined cannot be denied. Democratic politics is an arena for contest between democratic parties that have clearly defined agendas and not for duels between individual claimants to power that we have been witnessing since last Thursday.

**Tahirul Qadri can mobilise a crowd but we know little about his party structure. Imran Khan has a party structure of sorts but he apparently treats his core committee the way a cricket captain deals with the ‘boys’ on the field and in the dressing room. By personalising his tussle with Nawaz Sharif he has moved away from impersonal politics that democracy demands. **

In the common man’s eyes those accusing Nawaz Sharif of being a badshah are also displaying robes and entertaining ambitions that bear the imperial stamp. Finally, the call for change is not accompanied by properly defined alternatives to what is wrong with the state.

The fears that Imran Khan and Tahirul Qadri have set a precedent for more extremist forces are not unfounded. If students from Pakistani madressahs could contribute to the Taliban’s victories in Afghanistan they will be easily persuaded to repeat their performance in Pakistan.

Only a few days ago, a religious leader warned the state that the madressah legions were strong enough to seize power. Does the state have the resources to beat off new waves of marches and dharnas, or more serious challenges? The experience of the past few days does not encourage much optimism.

One cannot help feeling sorry for Imran Khan and Tahirul Qadri that they have chosen to destroy institutions which, under better promoters, they could have strengthened and stabilised.

The moral of the story is that on the one hand Pakistan must quickly return to democratic ways and build clean and efficient institutions of representative and responsible governance, and on the other, the political parties should sit together to lay down ground rules for their conduct as one another’s friends and adversaries.
Published in Dawn, August 21st, 2014*

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I agreed, PM resignation should not have been demanded. The demand should've been for setting up a 'nationally agreed' judicial council to complete an investigation of rigging, overhauling of election process/commission to ensure 'fairer' elections in future. Wait for the investigation to complete, if many seats are found to be rigged (regardless of who rigged) only then talk about mid-term elections. But IK/PTI lost moral ground on this front as well by not resigning when they started the march or demanded mid-term elections, they kept shouting demanding resignation of PM but only on Friday they turned their own resignations (which itself is not complete yet).

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IMRAN KHAN AND THE INEVITABLE

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THE PTI CHIEF MAY HAVE PLAYED OUT HIS OPTIONS.

Among those who oppose Imran Khan’s style of politics and the current strategy he is embarked on, there’s a sense that the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf chief can’t think straight. This is not entirely correct.

Critics seem to be mixing up Khan’s objectives with the likely outcomes, some of which can be unintended and, as the fear goes, could pull in a third force and even derail the political system. This fear is not misplaced. But my point relates to the “logic” of Khan’s strategy itself, though I will argue that he might just have played out his options.

Khan’s strategy, as it began, was classic compellence, a concept given by Nobel laureate Thomas Schelling, who explained the concepts of deterrence and compellence and the subtle differences between the two approaches within the framework of what he called “the diplomacy of violence,” which to him “is the art of coercion and intimidation.”
But while deterrence is the employment of a threat to discourage an adversary from starting something, compellence is an action by one actor, X, to force another, Y, to do something, invariably forcing Y to act in favor of what X wants. Put another way, while deterrence requires Y to refrain from acting in the face of a threat by X, compellence requires that Y act but only in favor of what X wants.

Deterrence involves setting the stage and then waiting. The onus for acting is on the other actor who, if deterrence has worked, will not act. X sets the stage, usually non-intrusively and non-provocatively, and then calculates that Y’s act, which has to be intrusive and hostile, will be prevented. In contrast, compellence requires X to initiate action and show irrevocable commitment to a course of action that can cease or become harmless only if Y responds and in line with X’s objectives. There are examples where stage-setting had deterrent qualities but the fine differences between deterrence and compellence are important, especially timing.

Khan has essentially run out of all options, short of spending the next year in and on his container. He must now either push the button or
climb down.

Deterrence can be indefinite in its timing; compellence is not. For example: I am in a speeding car and your vehicle is in the way. The decision to avoid the collision is yours. I move; you get out of the way. The question is, when? Compellence must, therefore, have a deadline or it will not be effective. Also, the compellent threat must be put in motion for it to be credible. Equally, it must force the other actor out of the way to be effective. If it can’t and if the compellent threat is halted, the other actor has called the bluff. One can up the ante along the way, but then one reaches the point where one has to either push the button or climb down. Neither course of action is feasible. One brings punishment; the other fail-impotent.

Khan’s “Azadi March” on Islamabad was the initiation of action to compel the government to capitulate and accept his demands. The government responded with a twofold strategy: avoid a collision, but shun the maximalist part of Khan’s demands. The government has indicated that it is prepared to take action on some but not all of Khan’s demands, especially not the one that relates to folding up and announcing new elections. It has also played smart by allowing Khan to come to Islamabad, keeping him in good cheer by not using force against him or his flock and even allowing him to enter the Red Zone, which was initially termed a red line. The idea was to show, clearly, that the government is doing everything it can to avoid a showdown.

Simultaneously, the government has indicated that while it is fully prepared to address Khan’s demands for broader electoral reforms, it will not give in on demands that have more to do with Khan’s personal ambitions, i.e., resignation of the prime minister and dissolution of the assemblies.

Khan, for his part, has been steadily climbing up the escalation ladder: from no-entry to entry in the Red Zone, civil disobedience, the threat of resigning from the assemblies, and storming the Prime Minister’s House. (He had to back off from the last threat after the Army indicated that it will not allow anyone to enter any building in the Red Zone.)

Result: Khan has essentially run out of all options, short of spending the next year in and on his container. He must now either push the button or climb down. He is still trying to do both: PTI’s National Assembly members submitted their resignations yesterday but the party also indicated it is prepared to negotiate with the government. The problem with their negotiation strategy is that it still retains their maximalist position: the demand that the prime minister resign. It was okay as an opening hand but makes no sense at this stage of the game. That demand, for the government, is nonnegotiable.

Khan is now left with no viable options to mount a threat that leaves something to chance and can therefore coerce the government into accepting all his demands. The only option left with him, unless he chooses to ignore the Army’s signal and tries to forcibly occupy Prime Minister’s House, is to get to the negotiating table and force the government into effecting credible reforms that serve the larger interest of everyone, including the people of Pakistan in whose name Khan claims to have been acting. With these reforms, if the objective is not to somehow get Khan made prime minister faster than he can at this point, he and his party should be happy to have achieved something significant.

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remove the freaking container then!!!!

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It is a fact that Imran Khan and TuQ have used their full potential to topple democracy and installed an autocratic and dictatorship. Certain people enormously benefit and get their 'haddi' from real masters, but country as whole has suffered a lot and will continue to suffer till breakup. Shame on your leaders and supporters who created havoc, uncertainty and mistrust among people. I think you waste your time in threads like these which only talk about the real interest of country. Go back to your sh!ty, trash thread you belong, where you are proud when your kaptan went for piss and sh!t on the roads of Islamabad.

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er...ok. So every column/news item that is critical of the long march starts with "gathering a few thousand.......".
Despite the crippling blockade of the twin cities, there are tens of thousands in Islamabad. And last I heard, protests are starting to crop up in other cities as well. So if PMLN really thinks that this is nothing but a few thousand trouble makers, then go take them out. (if you can)

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supporter of thugs and traitors use "democracy" only mean to get to power.
So PPP PLMN has nothing to do democracy, in real term.

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Don't you think that the same so called thugs are also in the camp of your kaptan? If not refer to historical lota thread to refresh your mind.

PPP and PML(N) rule because people want them to rule. PML(N) has been elected by majority and respect majority of Pakistanis. Assemblies are the proper forums for protesting and proving your grievances and solving the problem of people.

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I dont really entertain zardri supporter. So.
Do your thing.

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Had this kind of protests happened in America, you could see how government deal with such nonsense. It is good thing for the government they did not use force to disperse this sh!ty crowd. Who knows a number of enemies of Pakistan are hiding in this crowd to play havoc on peaceful citizens and create a chaos in the country? Ask sh!ters of Islamabad to go home and have pity on people living in Islamabad. The government will waste no time to clear the blockade.

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Who cares as long your kaptan praise Zardari :slight_smile:

If you are man or perhaps woman of words then stop supporting Imran Khan from now on.

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I dont accept any deals from supporters of known traitors.

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For you they are traitors, for Pakistanis they were/are rulers elected by Pakistanis. Go to your Church and pray for Jesus. You are wasting your time here.

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I did not mean to upset you.
I am just tired of noora's at the moment. Dont want to start some thing with zardai supporters.

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No peaceful protest is ever targeted in the west. Its surprising that living in the US, you dont know how the US institutions work. Arrests are made only when public property is damaged. And more importantly, police doesnt take orders from the president in who to target and who not to. They are loyal to the state, not to the person.
Shame on you for your immature name calling. The people are there for a cause. IF you cant live with that cause, thats your problem. And for your information, the protesters leave during the day, and return in the evening. The govt has erected tons of barriers around the place, and people walk miles and miles daily to get to the venue. Its called people power, something that PPP doesnt have anymore.

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sach bardashat nah howa parhay likhay logon say jo kabhi pakistan main rahay he naheen to yeh parhain :cobra:

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