"Cut off the head of the snake", Saudi king urged U.S. to attack Iran.

Saudis obviously not just hate but despise Iran. I am sure there are some documents which show nexus between Saudis and Israelis against Iran.

Saudi king says, “Cut off the head of the snake”. I wonder if he ever used such words to describe even Israel, the occupier of Islam’s holy land. I doubt it. But the guy has no problem talking this way against another Islamic country.

So much for the “Muslim Unity”.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AP06Z20101129

(Reuters) - Saudi King Abdullah has repeatedly urged the United States to attack Iran’s nuclear program …, according to a vast cache of diplomatic cables released on Sunday in an embarrassing leak that undermines U.S. diplomacy.

Among the revelations in Britain’s Guardian newspaper, which also received an advance look at the documents along with France’s Le Monde, Germany’s Der Spiegel and Spain’s El Pais, King Abdullah is reported to have “frequently exhorted the U.S. to attack Iran to put an end to its nuclear weapons program.”

"Cut off the head of the snake," the Saudi ambassador to Washington, Adel al-Jubeir, quotes the king as saying during a meeting with General David Petraeus in April 2008.

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For anyone who thinks this is not what Saudis said then I would say let Saudis deny it. I have not seen any denial yet.

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Personally, I think the Saudis are partly justified here. Led by Team Fanatic, who knows what Iran will do...

Wikileaks exposé makes it clear: Everybody hates Iran

This isn’t very interesting, but it shows most Arab countries would back the US and Israel in the event if Iran is attacked by either country. So much for Ummah.

What does a child feel in a toy store? That must certainly be the feeling among intelligence officers, academics, journalists and the curious, who have looked at the tsunami of documents released last night by WikiLeaks, taken from secret U.S. State Department cables.

Diplomacy, like espionage, is based on secrecy, hush-hush agreements and in many cases also on lies. Now the screen has been lifted.
ahmadinejad - AP - November 10 2010

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, November 10, 2010.
Photo by: AP

There is no doubt that there has been a huge blow to U.S. security, enormous embarrassment in relations with allies and in some cases substantive damage to the security of Washington’s friends.

On the other hand, there is significant value in the information in the documents, which will allow a more reliable picture of the behind the scenes developments.

The pressure of the times allowed for only a quick haphazard look last night into a tiny portion of the documents that were disseminated.

Naturally, Israel is interested mostly on things pertaining to the Middle East. Below are some initial conclusions:

• America is deeply preoccupied with Iran. Whoever is blaming the U.S. for being indifferent to the Iranian nuclear threat is simply mistaken. The administrations in Washington may change but they are all applying enormous pressure, offering enticements and also threats in order to push forth the sanctions against Tehran, all the while trying to gather intelligence about Iran’s intentions.

Other countries, from France to Azerbaijan, comprehend the Iranian threat. The special adviser to French President Nicolas Sarkozy has described the Iranian response to the compromise offer of U.S. President Barack Obama as a “farce,” in talks with a U.S. envoy to Paris, according to the cables. Iran has a “fascist regime,” says the French host.

Meanwhile, Iran’s neighbors are pressuring the Americans to attack Iran’s nuclear installations. Saudi King Abdullah explained, two and a half years ago, to Gen. David Petraeus that a determined and quick action is necessary.

“Bomb Iran or you will have to learn to live with its bomb,” a senior Jordanian official warned the Americans.

This is an interesting point: For years Israel has complained about two faced conduct by moderate Arab states.

On the one hand they secretly urge Israel to attack Iraq and its proxies - Hamas and Hezbollah, but then they condemn its actions.

Now, at least as far as Iran is concerned, the picture is out in the public.

• Israel is pessimistic compared to the Americans on Iran’s nuclear bomb time table. Defense Minister Ehud Barak said in June 2009 that there are six to 18 months left for an effective strike.

This means until the end of this year. After that, “any military action would result in unacceptable collateral damage,” according to a leaked cable.

• Overall the world is a little more exposed since last night.

However, it would be interesting to see those who present themselves as fighters for freedom of expression use their skills also against less democratic states, like Iran and Syria.

It would be very interesting to know what is now being discussed in the foreign ministries or intelligence services in Tehran and Damascus.

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Personally, I'm concerned about Iran too. Iran isn't overly friendly with Pakistan, and all this rhetoric about they being Muslim brothers will come to nothing. Do we really need another nuclear power at our doorstep when we already have India to deal with? Iran's increasing might will only complicate matters further in an already volatile region. It's in Pakistan's interests to maintain the status qou.

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^^^Iran and Saudis have payed havoc in Pakistan. Both of these countries have been destabilizing factor for Pakistan for last 30+ years. However, unlike Arabs, Iran have consistently supported Muslims and Islamic causes around the world.

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Maybe. But if we are to move forward, we have to have ties with countries based on their commitment to Pakistan, not to Islam. Why are we always interested in problems that don't concern us? The eyes of every Pakistani are forever on Palestine, although we have no business with them. Let's solve our problems first before we again try to take the title of "Defender of Islam"!

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^^^ I agree with that, but as old saying goes, our awam is more catholic than pope.

Btw, if the US and other western powers do attack Iran it would have implications for Pakistan, too. Remember we live in neighborhood, and stable Iran is in our interested. As for whether Iran should have nukes or not, if Israel and other countries have nukes, why shouldn't Iran?

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Iran is in my mind a champion for Islamic values and beliefs. Even if rules by Shia doctrine as a Sunni and Hanafi Muslim one might assume I detest the Iranian regime becuase of it’s shocking record of treating many like minded individuals in the past.

However I see Iran as the only Muslim nation thats fighting be it literally or merely through mediation for Muslims and other opressed peoples. It’s a very good model of an Islamic state and while it’s not perfect it’s actually much better than other Islamic states.

As Shamraz Khan rightly points out Iran is a staunch supporter of Muslims and seems to be the only power in the region that gives the colonialists nightmares. As such it’s a state I will fully support with mind, body and soul.

Besides it gives hope to many Muslims and enables a future oppurtunity for a united and resurgent Islam.

The Arabs of recent history have been very two faced and the intelligence leaks proves this… the rhetoric harks back to colonial and even Crusades era politics where the Arab factionalism made possible the enemys successes.

For me Iran today is holding the banner that was once held by the Turks and Moguls before them and by the early Arabs.

Irans straight talking dialogue whilst it’s often berated proves that in the ideologicall battlefield they are far superior… how many lies has Iranian regime told since Ahmedinajad took over?

Do they compare with those of USA or Isreal… ?

How many crimes has Iran commited against peoples? Do they go anywhere near the massacres commited by Isreal and USA?

Does Iran exterminate Turkomans?

Just to give you guys a real picture… I have friends who are Coptic and Nestorian and who have lived in Iran for centuries and even today they are thriving and as for my fellow Sunni brothers they are not being any where near as persecuted as they were during the Iran Iraq war.

The lot of Iranians has improved under the current regime and especially in the rural areas Ahmedinajad enjoys huge support… even the riots we saw this time last year caused by the supposed election fraud were all done by educated middle classes the ones who stood most to gain from US dollars.

Everyone hates Iran but I say damn them!

Iran is no worse than any other state on earth right now… and to me Iran is a brother nation and so long as it commits itself to Islam and it’s defence it will always be a brother nation.

Long live Islam!

Here is where we clash brother. I am a proud and Patriotic Pakistan and my homeland is dear to me… more dear than my life itself.

However think for a moment why Pakistan came about? Without Islam do you think for a minute there could ever have been a Pakistan?

Our faith has clear and undeniable guidlines and states Islam should come first in all things in this life. Wher you think matters do not concern us thats where your wrong. Among Muslims you can go anywhere in the world and say Assalam alaykum and no matter what the tribe or race they will answer to you the correct response if they are Muslim.

To me it’s Islam first then Pakistan. Pakistan Zindabaad! :jhanda:

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Yeah precisely why I think it's important to support Iran becuase I cannot abide Isreal and India both having Nukes... if Iran gets Nukes then that would be equivalant to squaring up to the big boys.

Thats what the west and it's cronies fear most... a power that can threaten them... nobody wants a Muslim country with nukes becuase Muslims are feeling very hurt right now and rightly so.

I would pray fervently that the world was without nukes and we fought with melee weapons, but since thats not the case then Muslims should have every right to fight back with just as much as the enemy.

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Faris, I love you man. So, so much. Iran does have some things to clean up though, which I won’t go much into as I don’t want to turn around the whole discussion. Such as the Baseej, but this is just some of the most blatant double standards I have ever seen. During that Haiti Earthquake, Iran was one of the first countries to send aid, and the Arab countries only did after articles were spreading around that the oil-rich n00bs didn’t give a single dime.

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Actually 'west' loves Iran in their hearts it makes neighboring countries buy alliances, weapons from them. Its probably only arab countries who 'hate' Iran, Pakistan doesn't hate Iran, Russia and its allied countries don't hate Iran. China does not hate Iran. Probably India doesn't hate Iran too. Its just war mongers who want us to believe that Iran is most hated country.

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If I it was in my power, no one but Pakistan would have nukes. Don't you agree? :)

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Yep , I agree , then we could sell them to make tons of money and spend it on falah o bahbood of our poor country men.
Don't you agree ?

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I'm all for making money.

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I wonder whether the likes of Saudi would hate them as much if Iran were Sunni and not Shia... Whatever its worth, if one had to choose, I would rather see Saudis downed then the Irani's. Those Wahabis are the worst thing to hit the Muslim world since the Mongols.

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Quoted 4 Truth

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Agree to that.

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Iran deserves the bomb more than Pakistan.

In any case, if the grand Poobahs of various Arab fifedomes, and Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, hate Iran *that *much, then the Iran must be doing something right....

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but then what happens to jihad..muslim brotherhood and that islam in danger thing.....????????