Custom Orders on Bargelloshop...

This thread was moved but I thought this post was relevant to ppl in this forum…so here it is…

I don’t normally post on here, but I had to reply to this thread, forgive the length but hopefully it will help out any prospective bargelloshop.com clients…

I actually placed an order with bargelloshop.com - I had heard about it from others, but no one I know had actually worked with them before. Although I was also wary - usually I try to get most of my clothes made through relatives/friends in Pakistan, but I thought it was worth investigating to see if this could be another way of ordering clothes from here in the US and having more control of what is being ordered. They take custom orders, along with the designs you see online - for custom orders you basically you provide them with a picture of what you want, and the customer service person(basically the owner) contacts you via IM or phone as far as the details, measurements etc. I knew they did knock-offs, so I knew it would be a not-so-exact copy but I thought I’d try. That first part of the experience was fine - she seemed to understand what I want, I had her send me a very detailed invoice and email reiterating all the details(colors, kapra, etc), costs etc, and payment was made through Western Union(you can do 50 % before/50 after). I was able to communicate with them via im and they replied to emails promptly.

However, my experience AFTER ordering was totally different, of course. The same drama that you face when dealing with designers in Pakistan – nothing was done on time, no updates on status, they claimed that I was getting a steal for the “quality of work” they were doing( I didn’t end up paying them more that previosly agreed), and the quality of customer service was horrible. Not only was everything late (they said 4 weeks from design to receipt of the suit, it took almost 8 weeks). And the final product??- TOTALLY mediocre. It didn’t look like the picture(surprise, surpise) which I could have lived with had the quality of the kaam been decent. The kapra was rawsilk with malmal lining which was as discussed and the stitching was fine - but the kaam was not intricate or anything of high quality. The dupatta was totally cheap chiffon kapra and the color of both the dupatta and suit was totally off. I mean my expectations weren’t sky high going in, but I had hoped that perhaps it would be a happy surprise in that it turned out to be better than I had expected – but it was honestly not that kind of surprise. I really was not happy with the quality of the work. I knew they did knock-offs of designer stuff, so I knew it wasn’t going to be designer quality - but I had at least hoped it would look somewhat like the pic. Also - I had to keep harassing them at the end about when I would receive it – they were basically MIA and I had to keep contacting them to inquire about status. They kept telling me it was almost finished - and finally at the end, I told them to refund me b/c I really didn’t want to wait another month for the suit since the occasion I had wanted to wear it to had already passed. Then after that email, magically I received an email that said it had already been shipped and it appeared on my doorstep a few days later.

To be fair - they claimed that many of their kaamwalas had been from the northern areas (though they are based in Karachi) and they had to leave to be with their families, and that is what delayed the work. So perhaps this was truly an issue - Allahu Alam. However, the part that casts doubt on that is that the suit actually should have arrived to me the week before the earthquake hit. So who knows what the actual truth of the matter is.

What is sad to me about these e-retailers is that their online storefront is so deceptive - their fancy java applets and “e-faces” and mission statements make it seem like they are so professional and that they have their act together. But it is all smoke and mirrors - b/c at the end of the day you deal with the same things you deal with when you design something in Pakistan in person. In the beginning they talked the talk about how great their customer svc was and all of that - but I had to demand a detailed invoice/receipt, I never received a notice of status or was able to track status on the site, and I never received any notice that the suit was being shipped, or what the tracking # was( even though it was DHL-ed, and it did have a tracking # on it). Same with most of these Pakistan websites - yes, they look great and claim to have some sort of “online ordering” - but it usually turns out not to exist when you pry further. That being said, I did try ordering something from HSY’s website and their customer service was great - although I didn’t end up ordering it so who knows, but they seemed to be pretty organized about the order process at least.

I know this was really long - but I feel like a lot of you are in the same boat as I am. You have a good idea of what you want, and want an easy way of ordering it, withought having to either trouble relatives or just want to have more control in the ordering process. My honest advice as far as bargelloshop.com – don’t do it unless you are really, really desperate – I’d probably pay a little more and go to a boutique here, or just stick to your family in Pak or order in person over there. As a previous poster mentioned, they are deceptive by virtue of what they claim about reselling designer suits. This may be unfair but I didn’t feel like they were being totally honest with me in our dealings and I’d rather not support a Muslim business like that. Maybe in a few years there will be a great website that can truly make our lives easier

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If anyone has had any better experiences at these websites…pls share…otherwise, pls spread the word about bargelloshop.com.

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Ahhhhh i’ve had enuff experience to never even trust that what htey’re advertising is wat u get! sorta the same but kinda different, i was at a restaurant and they sai dhtey had all this stuff, halal cheeseburgers, chicken salad, all american food (it was paki rest. aind i hate eating desi food frm restaurants so) and the lady behind the counter dint even kno wat the hell i waz asking for… :rolleyes: In pak i try getting a skirt made, the stupid stupid guy made me a burka… even before your post, I wud never try to order something online, ESP from a desi!!

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Well I've seen the same designs by designers here in UK appearing on Bargellos website. A phone call sorted my dilemma out, I rang Henna (designers in Green Street, UK) and the lady assured me that they have never given Bargellos permission to use their designs. Shame really because if these e-retailers pulled their act together they certainly would get orders from people like me who pay a decent price for a decent design instead of them copying others designs. (sighs)

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i know i've said this before but i would never order from bargelloshop.com because first they lie right from the beginning saying that their outfits are originals. second after i wrote the owner about the fact that they are selling copied outfits i received a very rude email back and he did not seem professional at all. i have ordered shalwar kameez online before but i always make sure that the business is based in the united states. i'm not sure about businesses based in pakistan especially if something goes wrong then there is not much you can do about it. one last thing if you are going to order clothes online you should be really careful about sending money through western union to someone you don't know because you don't get a receipt and you can't be sure they will actually send you something in return.

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This is why there is a great need for local desi designers in the USA. People to learn designing from here, and a little from Pakistan, and then open up their own businesses here in the States. With some creativity, the business could be a real boom. Of course, the only problem would be getting a crew to do the actual kaam for you. For that you'd have to smuggle in some kaam waaley. :D

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Pcg... :d

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i always wondered if they were as efficient as they seemed.. Im never ordering from them again
ever
ever
Not that i ever have before
but ever!! :snooty:

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i don't know why they keep moving all the threads about bargelloshop.com

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seems like a conspiracy to me. maybe someone doesn't want everyone to know the truth about bargelloshop.com.... :)

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ha! i think it is better to just order straight from respectable paki designers...like HSY and Tazeen. i like HSY more than tazeen i find her clothes very expensive for casual wear. but for me jackson heights suits are best since the only shalwar kamiz i need in the US is either wedding wear or party wear... i usually wear cuttoff kurtas and long skirts or PJs at home since its just me mom and bro....so i hardly need the casual wear.
but yeah i mailed HSY for a very sexy red outfit (not too much kaam but the fit was awesome!) and they replied right away saying it was $200..at that time i thought it was a bit steep since i was in college without a job so i didnt buy it) but judging from your horror story and similar prices on bargelloshop....i think HSY is a better deal.

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Oooohhh the stuff on bargello shop is sooo nice :(

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yeah the clothes are nice but they aren't their designs.

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yeah, most of the designs are ripped right off HSY, and other designer websites. But the copying is something that unfortunately isn't that unusual for desis to do - what is even more low and immoral is that they have this section claiming that they are resellers and that these designers provide these designs to them and that they are the honest "middleman" - which is an out and out lie as some of the others on this thread have are also aware of and have corroborated with their experiences.

Another thing about this business is that I emailed bargelloshop after receiving the suit telling them how unprofessional they are and how low quality the workmanship was - and their attitude was just downright nasty. TOTAL contrast to how they were when taking the order - which was buttery, sappy sweet. I mean, I wrote off the part of the money I paid as a loss, and I was aware and prepared that I was taking a risk ordering with these ppl, so what is done is done - so I had imagined the product might not be that great -- but I honestly never imagined how utterly rude and disrespectful these people would be. I mean, I was a paying customer, and the comments that they made in response to my emails were totally unwarranted. Further, they had no apologies for their tardiness in fulfilling the order and the fact that I was disgruntled about the quality of their work - they just took a defensive stance and claimed that I was "begging about a dress" when I said they should refund me. Of course, I knew they wouldn't honor a refund from the beginning - but how silly is that, what am I "begging" about exactly when I complain about the quality of the final product and their customer service? I thought I dealt with a lot of rude and unprofessional people in Pakistan when I went shopping for my wedding, and in past shopping trips -- but bargelloshop.com by far is the most unprofessional and deceitful business by far. Sad thing is that I'm sure a lot of ppl order from them b/c they look professional. Oh well, from every negative experience is a positive one -- hopefully at least some ppl will take heed after this thread! :)

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anon1234. I totally agree about bargelloshop's attitude being horrible. When I first wrote them asking if they were selling orginal designs the email I received back was very friendly and professional. Then when I wrote them back stating that HSY had wrote me and told me that he had never heard of Bargelloshop.com and that they were copying his designs I received a very very rude email from Bargelloshop.com. To tell you the truth if they hadn't been so rude in their last email I might have still ordered from them but now its my personal mission to let everyone know how unprofessional and nasty they are.

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shazi11 - I am on the same mission after my horrible experience - I don't want anyone to waste their money or have any expectation of receiving quality products from bargelloshop.com

Moreover, I don't want anyone to unknowingly support a business whose owner is so rude and vulgar. I was thinking about posting the last email I received in response to my complaints. I did not use any vulgar language or direct insults in my complaint emails to them; rather, I just told them that I was very dissapointed in the final product, and their customer service skills, and that I would share my experience with others so that others do not suffer the same consequences. And he emailed back with vulgar language, and on top of everything, which was hilarious, he claimed he was going to 'send my email to the "legal department" ' and that they were going to 'contact their lawyer in the USA to serve notice against me for threatening emails' - I used nothing even close to a threat and would never , ever treat another person in anything close to a threatening manner, I just said their customer service was poor, that a legitimate business would not treat customers as they did, and I told them what was wrong with my suit - so to get that response just made me laugh. Oh, and then he also told me to 'set fire to the clothes and send them pictures' and only then they would believe my claim that I didn't like them. Doesn't he seem a little crazy to you?!?

I wish there was more we could do to spread the word about this business - unfortunately, they are one of the first that come up on google when looking for pakistani clothes - I wish there was some way to post how horrible they are so it would come up when their website came up.

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anon1234...I'm sure bargelloshop.com is paying loads of money to be a featured website on google. I've written about my experience with bargelloshop.com on other websites but the only response I have seen from other people is that bargelloshop.com is really good. I think the owner also posts on other sites saying that they sell orginal designs. The thing I don't understand is why the Pakistani designers aren't doing anything about their designs being copied. I've written to everyone from HSY, Karma, Maria B., and lots of other designers informing them that their designs are being ripped off by bargelloshop.com but they haven't done anything about it. The only response I received was from HSY.

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Yes, you're right shazi11, I'm sure they pay quite a bit for their search engine listings. I'm glad you have posted comments on other websites, hopefully the message will get out about these frauds. I'm just waiting for someone to come forward and say that they have had a GOOD experience with them after actually having ordered - seems like everyone thinks about ordering from them but decides against it.

As for the designers not doing anything - I think it is so widespread that they can't really do anything at this point. I mean even some of these top designers copy from other designers at times, so not sure if there is anything they can do.

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Last year in pk i came accross many a shop in lahore and karachi who were totally upfront about 'this is a HSY design' and this is a copy of 'Nilofer Shahid' I used to turn three shades of red but everyone else was quite non-challant about it. I guess the general masses really dont care if they have an original or a look alike and certainly have no qualms about stolen/copied designs. ALso im sure its not a threat to the designers as their elite clientele wouldnt buy off a common shop as it would be against their image. But for real people like us living abroad who do care its a catch 22 situation. ALl said and done it still does not justify the horrible attitude you got from B.Shop- i have seen quite a few aunties yell at the sales people at wedding clothes shops for never having the order ready on time and no one ever insults the customer back (though some ladies are also way out of line).
Perhaps you can email google and let them know of your experience and forward them the nasty emails you got- google should have a policy about shady operations?

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Hi,
This is Shabnam zahid from lahore Pakistan.I am a afshion designer owner of "silkaffair"
my address is [email protected] read your exoerience about bargelloshop.com I really feel pity for them.How they can do this to their valueable customers.I am in this business for the last 25years and exporting to over the world.By the grace of GOD my customers never complained.I request my customers to post their commenets about their dealing with me and my services with the evidence.I pay respect to my customers who trust me.Many of my customers do send me orders from bargello and different other sites,I reproduce them more beautiful than in actual in almost half the price as i am against undue blackmailing the customers.I dont claim this but my customers should speak about me.I hope if you trust me do email me and my workmanship and dealing will proof me.......Anybody can contact me about their requirments and then I wll send them the designs with the price quoted.I hope you will be satisfied with me in all respects.I am posting here my company profile too
The Company:

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Since its inception in 1983, the brains and master minds of the company introduced thousands of “one-of-a kind innovative Designs focused on “Quality as Customer’s Satisfaction Concept”.


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The Company Policy:
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*The Methodology: *
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is a force with self-commitment to serve at its best. Our service is our commitment. Our people know that transacting business means serving their customers to the best and this depends only on timely delivery of demanded items.
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** The Profitability:**
The real Profitability is not the money but again customer’s satisfaction. We consistently offer a level of service above that offered by our competitors, it is our contribution to the overall profitability of our clients in the form of Satisfaction based on the Eye catching designs integrated with Comfort.
The Products:
Hand Painted “Silk & Chiffon Affairs”:** What a unique way of describing our up-market hand painted silk and Chiffon suits having eye catching color schemes for all the moods. The colors matching with the outside weather and expressing the inside weather of our women is our basic concept. The simplicity of the suits is also accompanied with soft and sophisticated decoration from Beads, sequins and glitters.**
The Party Dresses & Ethnic clothes: **The women have a natural desire of looking Unique and prominent. Our Party dresses have not only attracted women but has given them confidence in the gatherings. Shalwar Qameez trouser suits, Kurti, Kurta suits are the basic symbols of this variety.**
The Bridals: ** *“SILK AFFAIR” **realizes the importance of the *“LIFE AFFAIRS” **of a young bride to become a Life mate. The Bridal Dresses are made intricately to look unique, delicate, beautiful and elegant not only that of the bride but for the equally important beautiful women to fill the colors of the Occasion. These include Lehnga, Sharara, Pyjama suits etc.
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**

Ms. SHABNAM ZAHID
CEO/ FASHION DESIGNER

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I ordered a top from bargello - it was absoluely terrible - the embroadiery was so cheap and you can see the glue all over the top and the top was smelling so bad - like someone had already worn it!!!! SO PLEASE PEOPLE DO NOT ORDER FROM THEM. Even though the clothes look nice in pictures, in reality its a completely different story - take my word for it.