Cursing for what ?! Sawaab ?

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Can anyone please quote here any authentic reference where it is mentioned that Allah (s.w.t) would become pleased with anyone after s/he curses anyone. I am sure after death the angels wouldn’t grade it as an honorable deed by asking us “How many bad people did you curse in your life times” And of course there is no reward mentioned for people who curse.

If Allah (s.w.t) has cursed anyone, HE is the ALMIGHTY. He can do whatever HE wants, that does not give us a right to curse anyone.

And for ALL Muslims the ultimate role model is** the Prophet (saw)**, and I humbly repeat, the only role model is the Prophet (saw) so please don’t quote any Suhabi as a reference because all the suhabi and their words all together are nothing in front of a single word of the prophet (saw).

If our prophet (saw) didn’t curse anyone, never encouraged anyone to do so, we have no right to waste our time on such an act full of hatred.

And I SWEAR that I don’t believe anyone who says that Hazrat Ali (r.a) cursed anyone in his life time. Such an honorable and decent man never had anytime for such a low act. Those who put such allegations on Hazrat Ali (r.a) are trying to degrade him. And I repeat a noble and pious person like Hazrat Ali (r.a) can NEVER EVER spare even a single second for such a low act. EVERY second of his life was spent for the cause of Islam to spread peace for the love of Allah (s.w.t) and the Prophet (saw)

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Beautifully said Br. STP.

May Allah (swt) give us the hikmah and guidance, so we may do the best deeds and restrain from that which is bad for us. A tongue has the power to make a believer into a non-believer within an instant, we must try very hard to observe, discipline and control what we say. inshaAllah

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brother there is a BIG difference between cursing those who are enemies of Allah & Prophet and *sabb-e-sahaba *

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Sermon 128, Nahjul Balagha:

'...Mischief has appeared and there is no one to oppose and change it, nor anyone to dissuade from it or desist from it. Do you, with these qualities, hope to secure abode in the purified neighbourhood of Allah and to be regarded His staunch lovers? Alas! Allah cannot be deceived about His paradise and His will cannot be secured save by His obedience. Allah may curse those who advise good but they themselves avoid it, and those who desist others from evil but they themselves act upon it.'

Im not sure what type of cursing you're thinking of, but you seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill.

Do you know what 'cursing' actually means? It's a prayer to Allah (swt) to send His wrath and devoid someone of His mercy due to their ill conduct. A bud-dua if you may. It is also a form of dissociating your self from thier bad behaviour and that is as passive as any protest or criticism can get.

Secondly, yes it is better to pray for someones guidance where applicable, but that doesnt automatically imply that bud duas are ineffect haraam. Esp considering it is mentioned in the Quran many times, and despite what you think, Allah (swt) does not contradict himself, by saying one thing and advocating another.

so whether one prays for guidance or wrath, that is one's prerogative, and whether either prayer is accepted, is ultimately God's prerogative. so I dont understand whats all the fuss?

....unless that is you are mixing cursing with swearing/abusing, n which case i would suggest, your definition is slightly out of context..

Also, as a side note, you seem to have indirectly accused Allah (swt) of lowly behaviour. Are you saying that it is ok for God to say as such, but is beneath us civlised and intellectual human beings, who apparently now are one up on the moral pedestal than God?

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Although the post by Ma Mooli shall answer your last paragraph but letme answer to the actual idea of your post which is the assertion that curse it to earn Sawaab. The answer is NO, it is not done to earn Sawab and I dont know from where you have drawn such an inference. So it shall end the topic I hope?

Also the point that Prophet [s] never cursed is also wrong since there are events recorded in books which shows that He [s] indeed curse the evil doers, now searching and fetching such reference is a time consuming thing for me but if required then someone else might help out.

Edit: Just thought to clarify the meaning of cursing someone so that no one here confuses it with ‘abusing’. Abusing is not allowed in Islam for sure but unfortunately some of the famed personalities of past made ali bin Abi Talib [as] its target but letse not get into that. Curse, according to what I know is a supplication ‘to remove mercy’ from the person, while ‘abusing’ is all about calling names, which as I said, is not allowed.

Thanks

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Is this the type of cursing you guys are advocating?

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It seems that you had to post this anyway. Had you bothered to read by post you wouldnt have since I had made it clear that there is a big difference between cursing and abusing. I have heard the first couple of minutes of the link, and it clearly falls into the second category while the enemies of Shias have been trying hard to present abusing as curse (la’an).

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If you would listen to it, you will realize that it is stating exactly what you are saying, that is, about the difference of the two.

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When you knew it then what was the point of posting it with the caption** "Is this the type of cursing you guys are advocating?"** Anyhow, it seems that we are going off topic now.

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Alright, so what is the benefit of cursing (a supplication 'to remove mercy' from the person) ? Does that benefit anyone in any way. I am sure the time which is spent in cursing can be used for "useful" purposes. For example. Praying for the guidance of all the human beings (including the bad people)

It is clear that "Cursing" has an element of hatred in it. There are Hadith that tell Muslims not to hate (Bukhari (73:89)) and not to do harm in word or deed (Muslim (1:65)). Islam means peace, and we all know peace and hatred can't live together at the same place. *Please don't confuse Allah's cursing non-believers because HE does a lot of things which HE didn't allow us to do and HE does not do a lot of things which he has ordered us to do. I hope no one says that he would not fast or pray because Allah (s.w.t) also don't do these acts. You are a human so if you need guidence then learn from the perfect human who is NON other than the prophet (saw). AND he NEVER EVER cursed anyone, neither did he encourage or ordered anyone to do so.
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I am waiting for the example of the Prophet (saw) cursing anyone...Let us see if anyone can provide anything from an authentic source. I am sure he didn't curse the people of Taa'if otherwise the two hills would have been joined by the angel and all the people would have been crushed. Apparently common sense suggests a** "Rehmat-ul-Aalameen"** would never waste time in cursing anyone. Right ?

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An act that is suitable for Allah (swt) might not necessary suit human beings.

Pride suits Allah (s.w.t), but is not allowed for human beings.

Humbleness and humility is must for humans, but does not suit Allah (s.w.t)

Allah (s.w.t) gets angry whenever He wants. And Allah has made it Haram for humans (according to a commonly know hadith)

The only example to follow is the Prophet (saw) and I still haven't seen any example posted by anyone where the prophet (saw) cursed anyone. I am not interested in any example of any suhabi, because that doesn't hold much value until we haven't understood the perspective of the King of both the worlds on this matter.

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Very simple.

Since you were stating the same what was being said in the video, I posted it to see if you have any problem with the contents of the video. Do you?

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This again shows that you really didnt bother to read my posts, I had given its answer to the next post of your's wherein you had given the link of this video!

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  1. The power of Abu Lahab will perish, and he will perish.
  2. His wealth and gains will not exempt him.
  3. He will be plunged in flaming Fire,
  4. And his wife, the wood-carrier,
  5. Will have upon her neck a halter of palm-fibre.
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^ Wrong place dear. With no offense I have made it clear before in my post that the topic is about cursing words used by humans. Allah (s.w.t) does what HE wants, which doesn't give us a right to curse.

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When we read Quran we invoke Allah's curse on his and Prophet's enemies. It is important to curse the enemies of Allah and the Prophet as they are the ultimate symbol of Zulm. If one is with Haq, s/he should send Allah's lanat on baatil again and again. Insha Allah this process of condemnation will continue until the day of judement.

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That doesnt mean that it doesnt give us right to curse either. Anyway, just to make the sentence complete, yes indeed Allah [swt] curses, but at times He has also involved angels and human beings in the very curse. For example:

“Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting, - on them is Allah’s curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind”
Surah Baqarah verse 161

Let us give one example of invoking curse by Holy Prophet [s]:

We read in Al Bidayah Wal Nihayah (Urdu), Vol 8 Page 1147:

“Rasulullah (s) said whoever perpetuated injustice and frightened the residents of Madina, the curse (la’nat) of Allah (swt), His Angels and all people is on such a person”

Moreover, In Surah Aal-e-Imran verse 61 we read that Prophet [s] and His family [as] involed Allah’s curse upon the lairs:

**"If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge hath come to thee, say: “Come! Let us gather together, - our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!” **

Not to forget that your assumption about Ali bin Abi Talib [as] was also proved wrong by Mamooli bro as he showed the text wherein He [as] too cursed the evil doers.

Thus, had this act was something unsound, Allah [swt] wouldnt have chosen this for Himself at the very first place. Thus, all those people who by using conjectures call it waste of time or low act are actually saying this for Allah [swt]. The thing is, that if someone is not interested in it then he should refrain, no bodu is forcing to do it, but passing comments on others is not a decent act itself.

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Hmm...makes sense. I understand your point. And I am thankful that you brought it here. But still, we don't have any example where the prophet (saw) himself specifically cursed anyone in his life. Hence, this "cursing" might be allowed but not a very lovable and noble act in front of Allah (swt) (if done by humans). Because, if it were so, the prophet (saw) would have done it many times in his life, as the prophet (saw) don't let go even a single opportunity of pleasing Allah (swt).

It might not be a sin, but it indeed doesn't deserve as much of practice as some people do in present times, few of them even do so much that it gives an impression that they are convinced to gain pleasure and sawab from doing it with such a passion of hatred. The prophet (saw) taught us to love and pray for even the worst enemies of Islam.

Let us leave alone those who have died and serve our lives for those who are alive and in need of our help.
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I am sure that if I am busy in cursing people while at the same time in place of this act, I could have done something more useful and beneficial for ummah but neglected it, I would be held answerable for that on the day of judgement. Cursing doesn't benefit anyone, praying does!
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May Allah (s.w.t) guide us all towards the right path.

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brother, the discussion is about the allowability to curse. For example, people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Kahsmir or whereverelse there are oppressed are rightful to invoke Allah’s curse on the oppressors or not?

You have read and acknowledged the writings from various people here which shows the openess of your heart. Now if you are interested to find an example from our Prophet’s life then go to the Saha Sitta search site, Type in the words “curse” or “cursed” and examine the results yourself: Compendium of Muslim Texts

As i understand it, Islam is a religion of peace and love and Allah is the most benefecient and Merciful yet Islam is very hard on Zulm, i.e. kuffr, aggression, oppression, injustice etc. This is clear from Quran and Seerat of our Prophet (pbuh). Its a different story how a group of Ummat after the Prophet’s departure manipulated the religion to cater for their own goals and likes and dislikes and rather than becoming the defender of the oppressor became the agressor, all in the name of Islam ( this continues until today- just look around you as to whats heppening in the name of Islam).

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I think instead of cursing, it will be better if we use our energies in something positive and mend our character. Prophet pbuh, Hazart Ali a.s and Ahl-e-bait of Prophet pbuh never cursed anyone despite what people did to them which speaks volume of their character. If you really love Prophet pbuh, Hazrat Ali a.s and Ahl-e-bait of Prophet pbuh, then mend your characters, make yourself a better God fearing human being. InshahAllah, Allah will reward you in this world and here after.

May Allah forgive us all! Ameen.

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