there is no such thing as a "monolithic" Indian Culture. India is a multinational state, with multiple languages and multiple cultures which also is one of the reasons it has opted recently to rapidly decentralize. I doubt there could ever be a "pakistani" identity b/c of the different makeups. punjabis will always be punjabis, etc,etc. So stop looking for genetic identties to justify ur not indian or are indian. People in the most northern part of india look oriental, while south indians look totally different. If it makes some of you feel better you are arab! khush?
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I think you'd have to be stupid to claim there's no Indian ancestry. On the other hand, judging by the number of posts by Durango on this forum, I'm not sure it's Pakistanis that are obsessed about it.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this obsession! :)
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British Indian colony? I think you need to read the Queen Empress's proclomation...I'll get back to you on the date and reference. I am not sure about 1857 exaclt but it was thereabouts.
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You are at least 20 years off the actual date.
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When have I denied Indian ancestory? But that is only a part of what makes us Pakistani....just having Indian ancestory does not make us Indian I am afraid. You wanna tell me WHY Burma was seperated in 1935?
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I couldn't care less about your Indian ancestory. I was just correcting you on Burma being part of Indian Colony for 90 years which is a lie and it is not even 50 years.
Just as my brother Muslim Pakistani RajputFury said, we don't need any desi/Indian crutches to survive. We have our own identity which we are proud of. Millions of Muslim living in Pakistan are a living reality, a separate nation from India. (even the Muslims in India can never be truly Indians, because the word India has been hijacked from the Muslims by the majority Hindus)
The fact that matters most is that our fore-fathers had the determination and the right vision to create Pakistan. With the Grace of Allah we succeeded in achieving our own country, where we are free. Pakistan as a separate nation for Muslims is a reality!
why you call musjahir then? there is no equivalent word for
pakistanis who came to india during parttition.
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Oh come on! We never even call ourselves Muhajirs. By the way migrating for Islam is something we are proud of. This little bit tension created my RAW in Karachi is over! For your information, there are millions of Muhajirs in Northern Pakistan,. They were never called, and they never called themselves "Muhajirs'. They are spread out all over Pakistan! Nobody even identifies themselves as being Muhajirs, since its not an issue.
The ruling government in your country which is quite extremist is not ready to accept our (PAkistan's) existence (look at BJP manifesto). They teach you all sorts of evil things. The difference between you and us is that even the Islamic parties in Pakistan you call extremists, never tell the minorities to jump into the Arabian sea. The minorities live happily. In India's case, your Govt. ministers openly tell Muslims to live like us or leave India.
Beyond the rhetoric of Indians and certain Pakistanis who are clueless of their background, we have much to be proud of and distinct identity to protect. We do not have to bow down to the Brahminical state known as India, operating under a garb of secularism while attempting to swallow up identities of neighboring nations. Who are these Indians kidding when they declare Sindhi, Nepali to be official languages when they are distict regions not even part of India? They want us to believe that their intervention in Sri Lanka was done to protect the stability of the nation, when we all know how they wanted to support the Tamils until it blew up in their own faces! Let’s not forget that their INTRUSION into the Pakistani civil war was more to humiliate Pakistan rather than moral or ethical reasons that the followers of Chankya woould like to claim. Then theirs the illegal and immoral occupation of Kashmir, the encounter with China, which left Indians still licking their wounds, when they actually faced an opponent their size.
All things said, India is a menace to South Asia-- a monster attempting to deprive all indegenious cultures and races of their individuality much like their Aryan forefathers had done. But for once, the force of Islam embodied in Pakistan, will not only resist but turn back this tide Ins’allah. Sure we’ve had traitors and ignorants who believe in “desistan” but the masses are awake and ready for the truth.
“The hundred millions of Pakistanis whose hearts beat with the sound of La Ilaha Il Allah Muhammad ur Rasul Allah will not rest till India’s guns are silenced forever.” – FM Ayub Khan
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Indus Valley civilaztion has nothing to do with India. Its purely Pakistani. Indians belong to the land of Ganges!
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they are dravidians pakistanis came late . indus language not based on snskrit.
One of the earliest civilizations, the Indus Valley civilization flourished on the Indian subcontinent from c. 2600 B.C. to c. 2000 B.C. The Aryans who invaded India c. 1500 B.C. from the northwest found a land that was already home to an advanced civilization. They introduced Sanskrit and the Vedic religion, a forerunner of Hinduism, to the area. Buddhism was founded in the 6th century B.C.
So basically the Aryans-- the people that India draws it's inspiration and heritage from, were responsible for the Indus civilization of Pakistan. Hmm, sounds like the people of the Indus and the Ganges were ALWAYS opposed to each other!
Beyond the rhetoric of Indians and certain Pakistanis who are clueless of their background, we have much to be proud of and distinct identity to protect. We do not have to bow down to the Brahminical state known as India, operating under a garb of secularism while attempting to swallow up identities of neighboring nations.
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Well most humbly I suggest you to read some history books and then find yourself in position to comment about such sensitive issues. You talk about your identity and try to findout/show some identity that suits your ego/psychology. In psychology its known as a syndrome of "adjusting" facts according to your needs of ego/identity. I am sorry for being blunt. But I guess this might help you. You talk about your identity as rajput; do you even meaning of rajput? rajputs are not some race. Read some vedic history and you would know, varna system accepted even sons of brahmins as kshatriyas. And postvedic era rajputs can never be from one race as all the races (invading and natives) got mixed before that. And most of us here in indian subcontinent are decendents of vedic-age hindus . henceforth I would use the word hindu to describe all the inhabitants of the subcontinent, irrespective of the race.
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Who are these Indians kidding when they declare Sindhi, Nepali to be official languages when they are distict regions not even part of India?
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get life brother. Dont accuse before knowing the facts. Do you have any idea about sindhi/nepali speeking population in india?? official status of a language is directly related to number of people speeking that language. I hope you understand what I mean by that.
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All things said, India is a menace to South Asia-- a monster attempting to deprive all indegenious cultures and races of their individuality much like their Aryan forefathers had done. But for once, the force of Islam embodied in Pakistan, will not only resist but turn back this tide Ins'allah. Sure we've had traitors and ignorants who believe in "desistan" but the masses are awake and ready for the truth.
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Then again , your most of the comments are prejudiced. Please stop hate mongering. Bottomline is -** we all in the subcontinent are same people, may be we have different faiths, but atleast by living together for thousands of years.** Again none of the faiths teach intolerence and specially being a muslim, you should never let hatred come to your mind. I have great respect for islam and ofcourse my religiona nd other religions in subcontinent and I believe all the rational people think in the same way. We can live in peace and harmony, all what is needed is rational thinking and tolerence !
RF…at Columbia there is a institue called SIPA…go speak to some peole there and/or read a book by Ganguly (Columbia press)..it will give you an idea on South Aisan history as it is not through the pakistani sifted version of third tier university stuents.
It amazes me that someone went to a top-10 B-School and din’t expand his mind beyond doing monkey level recon anaysis and eva.
ever gheard of Philip Oldenburg?
Do a google research…things will open up for you…he is a superstar from your university..
Indianteen, we respect your opinion with tolerance and goodwill! The peoblem is that it is simply not right! So:
Pakistan Zindabad!
Two Nation Theory
We respect you as an Indian neighbor, but we are a different nation! That is a reality no one can deny. No matter what Indians say, we succeeded in achieving a separate country Pakistan (Alhamdulilah).
I wouldn't like to comment no more. For you is your country and nationhood and for us is ours.
Well most humbly I suggest you to read some history books and then find yourself in position to comment about such sensitive issues. You talk about your identity and try to findout/show some identity that suits your ego/psychology. In psychology its known as a syndrome of "adjusting" facts according to your needs of ego/identity. I am sorry for being blunt. But I guess this might help you. You talk about your identity as rajput; do you even meaning of rajput? rajputs are not some race. Read some vedic history and you would know, varna system accepted even sons of brahmins as kshatriyas. And postvedic era rajputs can never be from one race as all the races (invading and natives) got mixed before that. And most of us here in indian subcontinent are decendents of vedic-age hindus . henceforth I would use the word hindu to describe all the inhabitants of the subcontinent, irrespective of the race.
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Amazingly, you assume that I haven't read books from varied sources yet your statements highlight your ignorance. First off, the Vedas is PURE MYTH and only a religiously biased individual would quote it as a matter of fact. Secondly, do YOU know about the Rajput race? The Scythians? No clue huh? The only reason Brahmins awarded Rajputs Kshatriya status was because the Scythians would never be subdued by the Aryans-- something that you are DESPARATELY trying to do here. The Rajputs and also Jats of South Asia are niether Aryan nor Dravidian. The Hinduism concept is purely an Aryan one. Not that Rajputs were monotheistic, they were Sun worshippers called Sauras. The Scythian tribes migrated from Central Asia and to this day you can find similarities in facial appereances. Even in India, the Punjabi idenity is well known and distinct. Sure there has been mixing bloods but on the whole the majority of Rajputs still exhibit the same bloodlines of their ancestors. If you consider everyone from South Asia to be Hindu regardless of race then reread my comments about how you Indians try to erase all identities. Just the other day, some Marathi yokel claimed that Sikhs are in fact Hindus, a fitting response did he receive from the Sardars. Get off the Hinduism bent because if it wasn't for my Rajput ancestors your Hindu forefathers would have been dead or converted hindus. I hold no hatred for the Rajput nation whether it be Muslim, Hindu or Sikh, but your misleading comments are truly indictive of YOUR identity.
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get life brother. Dont accuse before knowing the facts. Do you have any idea about sindhi/nepali speeking population in india?? official status of a language is directly related to number of people speeking that language. I hope you understand what I mean by that.
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I have a great life, part of it involves exposing Indian lies and myths. What PERCENTAGE of India's population is Nepali or Sindhi speaking? Talk about WEAK rebuttals, espicially when it has always been evident that India held designs on both Nepal and the Sindh region of Pakistan. Now why is it that India has strained relations with the only Hindu monarchy on this earth? The Nepalis know it and so do we.
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Then again , your most of the comments are prejudiced. Please stop hate mongering. Bottomline is -** we all in the subcontinent are same people, may be we have different faiths, but atleast by living together for thousands of years.** Again none of the faiths teach intolerence and specially being a muslim, you should never let hatred come to your mind. I have great respect for islam and ofcourse my religiona nd other religions in subcontinent and I believe all the rational people think in the same way. We can live in peace and harmony, all what is needed is rational thinking and tolerence !
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Whose hate mongering? YOU Indians stepped into this thread by your own volition and now that your suffering blowback, it's irritating you huh? This was a discussion of how Pakistan's identity is different from India's and your loony tunes hit squad steps in with lies about how all Pakistanis are actually Indians. Right we get it! You Indians want to make sure that the Pakistani identity is erased to eventually take Pakistan...Heck, you even have some simple minded converts believing in that desi BS, but as long as the patriots remain in Pakistan (and they will), we will make sure that lies are exposed time and time again. We not only divided by religion but also by race! Pakistan is a nation consisting largely of Non Aryan/Dravidian races + descendents of Muslim invaders...In India there may be lower caste converts to Islam, but in Pakistan most of the converts either rated high on the Hindu caste system or were outside the caste system altogther. Truth hurts.
