^ It was all India from 1857 until 1947 what is that...90 years? Burma as also a part of India at the time so why not claim them to be one of your own?
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you'd have to be stupid to claim there's no Indian ancestry.
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Mufakkar read the above. And once you have read it go and read some history. Burma, Today's Myanmar was seperated from India in 1935 (and not 1947).
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pakistan identity is more like proving they are not indians or anything to do with india. when somebody asks who are you the answer would be "i am not indian"
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Ask anybody! He would say I am Pakistani. I never saw even one person in my life who was Pakistani and said I am Indian.
Pakistan Zindabad!!!
Muslim Ummat Paendabad!!!
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^ It was all India from 1857 until 1947 what is that...90 years? Burma as also a part of India at the time so why not claim them to be one of your own?
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Burma was never a part of India, It was part of British Indian Colony and in short British Empire which the British captured sometime in 19th century and I am sure it was not 1857.
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I never saw even one person in my life who was Pakistani and said I am Indian.
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Ever heard of Ustad Bade Ghulam Ali Khan ??
The Indians are just making false claims and wasting our time! They are running away from the facts which Islamabd gave. I think its hard for them to swollow the reality of Pakistan.
Pakistan is alive, well and there. Its a reality nobody can deny! A gift of God for the Muslims of Sub-Continent. A ray of hope for millions of opressed in the region. A country of people free from the majority Hindu opressors.
An Islamistan (Pakistan), a safe haven, amidst the Kafiristan (Bharat)!
Long live Pakistan!!!
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Ever heard of Ustad Bade Ghulam Ali Khan ??
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Yeah heard of him! There are people like that in every country. Well, lets see him say that in Pakistan in front of Pakistani media and people. Why is he afraid to do that. Maybe he was trying to impress the other side.
But do go in the street in Pakistan and ask somebody if he Indian? He will surely teach you a good lesson.
Is he still alive ?? Does he live in Pakistan ?? 
You are just too much. hahahahahahahaha. Your knowledge really amaze me.
For decades the Muhajirs said we are Pakistani and
Pakistani alone. But other Pakistanis said no, you are not Punjabi or
Sindhi, you are tora or makkar. So now the Muhajirs call themselves
Muhajir. so there is some racial/ethnic differences that outsiders wont undersatnd.
Muhajir issue is in no way comparable to the grave issues in India.
Talk about facts!
We are muhajirs from India, but are Pakistanis first!!!
Maskhara !!!
Who cares about him. Don’t change the topic of discussion here, make a new thread, i will deal with you there!
This is just my opinion. I mean no offense to anyone, and please don't yell at me if you don't agree.
Pakistan and India split only 50+ years ago. That isn't enough time to be a completely different people.
In many arenas we have many similarities.
-there is that hindu/muslim/sikh clash. But there are many, many muslims in india, too.
-the main languages of urdu and hindi are very similar when spoken. of course there are various dialects across the countries, but generally its very similar
-i don't know too much, but punjab itself seems to be one big province. there on both the indian and pakistani side, its almost the same, except for sikh vs. muslim-WHICH I know religion is a big conflict, unfortunately. Ideally, it should be to each his own. :(
-general mannerisms and morals seem to be v. much the same as well...
If it comes down to it, if I had to make a choice, i'd support Pakistan. But really, I don't think there is that much of a difference, and my indian friends are the same as my pakistani friends. We're all desi :D
Sorry if this doesnt make sense. it made sense in my head :)
thats my two cents.
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Muhajir issue is in no way comparable to the grave issues in India.
Talk about facts!
We are muhajirs from India, but are Pakistanis first!!!
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why you call musjahir then? there is no equivalent word for
pakistanis who came to india during parttition.
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This is just my opinion. I mean no offense to anyone, and please don't yell at me if you don't agree.
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Your opinion respected! But not true!
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Burma was never a part of India, It was part of British Indian Colony and in short British Empire which the British captured sometime in 19th century and I am sure it was not 1857.
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British Indian colony? I think you need to read the Queen Empress's proclomation...I'll get back to you on the date and reference. I am not sure about 1857 exaclt but it was thereabouts.
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Mufakkar read the above. And once you have read it go and read some history. Burma, Today's Myanmar was seperated from India in 1935 (and not 1947).
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When have I denied Indian ancestory? But that is only a part of what makes us Pakistani....just having Indian ancestory does not make us Indian I am afraid. You wanna tell me WHY Burma was seperated in 1935? (If it wasn't 47 my bad, sorry)
Are Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans also Indians? Or is this title only reserved for Pakistanis?
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This is just my opinion. I mean no offense to anyone, and please don’t yell at me if you don’t agree.
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I’m not offended. Just so you know, when LaeeqKhan made this message it was intended for people like YOU. Ofcourse, the Indian hordes had to come in with their half-truths and lies.
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Pakistan and India split only 50+ years ago. That isn’t enough time to be a completely different people.
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Whose talking about completely different people? We are who we are and never claimed to be any different. The vast majority of Pakistan is not made up of the Aryan-Dravidian mix that comprises India, our ** races ** are different to begin with!
If there are any people in India that share our racial makeup it is either due to politics (like Khalistan is a separate nation) or have willingly migrated there because of religion.
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In many arenas we have many similarities.
-there is that hindu/muslim/sikh clash. But there are many, many muslims in india, too.
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So?? muslims in India are either descendants of invading Muslims or more likely low caste converts to Islam. Culturally Muslims of India are well integrated into their local areas. You cannot tell a Hindu Keralite aparat from a Muslim one because they are from the SAME race.
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-the main languages of urdu and hindi are very similar when spoken. of course there are various dialects across the countries, but generally its very similar
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As much as I respect Urdu it is a VERY foriegn language to Pakistan because the Quaid wanted a national language. Our local languages are Sindhi, Punjabi, Seraiki, Pashto, Baluchi, now except Punjabi which language is spoken in India? Even with Punjabi, if history had been different Khalistan would be a separate state, in reality Sikhs are a separate nation anyway. Urdu and Hindustani are languages created BECAUSE of Muslim invaders so calling Urdu a gift of India is rubbish! The only reason the two languages exist is because the Muslims (Mughals, Afghans etc) FORCED the creation, as the native language of India was Sanskrit as well as many others..
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-i don’t know too much, but punjab itself seems to be one big province. there on both the indian and pakistani side, its almost the same, except for sikh vs. muslim-WHICH I know religion is a big conflict, unfortunately. Ideally, it should be to each his own. 
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yes need I remind you that Sikhs are VERY different from Indians. A visit to the local Gurduwara can prove that much.
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-general mannerisms and morals seem to be v. much the same as well…
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This is the MOST outrageous statement EVER made! Do you even know the two-nation theory 
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If it comes down to it, if I had to make a choice, i’d support Pakistan. But really, I don’t think there is that much of a difference, and my indian friends are the same as my pakistani friends. We’re all desi 
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I don’t hate Indians or any other people for that matter. I have many friends from India, love South Asian veg. cuisine BUT I am not ignorant of who I am and where I come from. I am a Pakistani, not some psuedo-India (Indian wannabe?) nor do I need to begrudingly “make” a choice…I’d die for Pakistan no question about it. If I sound harsh then I am sorry but you have absolutely no grasp of who we are and what our forefathers had to go through to get Pakistan. If your “desi” then go visit “Desistan” every year go to their parades and be proud of being a desi because this Pakistani Punjabi Rajput Muslim does not need some desi crutches to gain a sense of identity!
Sorry if this doesnt make sense. it made sense in my head 
thats my two cents.
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This is getting damn sad...I'd wish we would end this India nonesense and build our identity in a more concerete fashion. We have lot's to be proud of and if those Pakistanis that believe in being desi over Pakistani can go to India. Better to have patriots instead of watan faroosh people ashamed of whpo they are.
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why you call musjahir then? there is no equivalent word for
pakistanis who came to india during parttition.
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That's BS...What IS a Sharnarti? Hindus from Pakistan that migrated to India ARE STILL the creme de la creme of India whether it be the Punjabi Sikh, or the Sindhi hindu, both contributed to much hostility from Gujeratis and UPites when they landed in India...Lets stop the myths ok?
indian is just a generic word for outsiders for the people who live there
most impoetant identity comes form language they speak.
bengali and tamil may look alike but they wont understand one word
of each other.