i know people when i see them irem. and i believe in pakistani society as much as u do. i was searching for that in their faces, for any excuse not to be disgusted by what our society can produce, but i couldnt find it.
aur itnay miskeen hein kay ye bhi zahir na kar sakein ke uski kameeni batein nahi sunnieen to kahan gayi sari pakistani bahaduri? itna bhi nahi tha, chup ho gaya tha thora ghura to.
lets not dismiss this problem like that then. if we're better we'll acknowledge that we have a problem without giving a damn what the rest of the world is like or does. because even if they're the same place where we are, we dont deserve to be as bad as them, not if we can claim any merit for our values.
i for one am very ashamed that this is a feature in our culture and society. mera bus chalay to i'd screw presumption of innocence and castrate whoever even accused of it and ask questions later. buhat mazzaq ho gaya.
well rav i dont think its a problem with our ** culture & society**. like every soociety we have criminals. but that doesn't mean all of our society is bad or we preach bad things socially.
i'm sure most people in Pakistan would agree that dishnorinog a woman IS wrong. nomsaying? but we have this attitude k kuch bhee ho pak mein we start dissing our society, which is not the right attitude imho.
So Irem can I call you thoRi si kameeni from now on? Tay baquee duniya nu chaDDo, we should start fixing our own house first. Agar doosri jagah burai ho to this is not a lisence for a burai in Pakistan.
alrite take care. regarding the rest of your points, im not saying we should have all ganged up on him and bashed his head in, but at the least the others could have shown the resentment i felt and showed.
now, while rape is considered bad in our society, rapists do go scot free. and rape victims often suffer even more after the rape than before it. those are problems in our society and we would do most credit to our superior values if we actually fixed these things. acknowledge karne mein koi harj nahi. it would be a crime not to do so just because we're afraid of others judging us. bolnay walay bolein gay.
Sara first of all if I havent made myself clear before then let me do it right now. I am NOT talking about NYC in particular, I am talking about many so called modernized cities like NY. And then, did I say that all gals are like that? but my point is that a rape in those cities is not considered as big a crime as in Pak so the comparison is not valid. and yaar @ ur talking about urself. I am not talking about the gals who have roots in pak or other countries like pak, cuz I know ke app laRkyaN jitni bhi modern ho jao wahaN ja kar but nomally u wont transform into the exact replica of western gals.
i've posted this before but its very apt for this thread, this nazm by faiz. irem ye parhna!
Nisaar mein teri galiyon kay aye watan kay jahan
chali hay rasm kay koi na sar utha kay chalay
jo koi chahnay wala tawaf ko niklay
nazar chura kay, jism o jaan bacha kay chalay
hay ehl e dil kay liay ab ye nazm e bast o kushar
kay sang o khasht muqeed hain aur sag aazad
buhat hein zulm kay dast, bahana jo kay liay
jo chand ehl e junoon teray naam lewa hein banein hein ehl e hawas, mudd'ai bhi, munsif bhi,
kisay wakeel karein, kis say munsafi chahein..
magar guzarnay walon kay din guzartay hein
teray firaaq mein yun subh o shaam kartay hein
bujha jo dozan zindaan to dil ye samjha hay
kay teri maang sitaron say bhar gayi ho gi
chamak uthay hein salasil to hum nay jana
kay ab sahar teray rukh pe bikhar gayi ho gi
gharaz tasavur sham o sahar mein jitay hein
girift saya e divar o dar mein jitay hein
yunhi hamesha ulajhti rahi hay zulm say khilq
na in ki rasm naee hay, na apni reet naee
yunhi hamesha khilaye hein humne aag mein phool
na inki haar nai hay, na apni jeet nai!
isi sabab say falak ka gila nahin kartay
teray firaq mein dil bura nahi kartay
gar aaj tujh say juda hein to kal baham hon gay
ye raat bhar ki judai to koi baat nahi
gar aaj auj pe hai talala raqeeb to kia
ye char din ki khudai to koi baat nahi
jo tujh say ehd e wafa istawar rakhte hein
ilaaj gardish lail o nihar rakhte hein
Okay I didn’t know you were talking about non-desis with your examples. Also, I get that you didn’t mean NYC specifically. However, I still maintain that ur remark is stillway off. Rape is a crime in every city adn country. Just because it happens to a non-Muslim, non-Paki doens’t make it any more forgiving or deserving of an apathetic response like that poor girls’ parents
i think the point shes making is that the efficiency of the legal system doesnt reflect the seriousness with which a crime is viewed.
murderers also roam free in karachi, doesnt necessarily reflect our attitude towards murder as it does the broken-downness of the legal system.
and we do have a much stronger reaction to it, thus the honour killings. you'd be very hard pressed to argue that we dont have a stronger notion of Izzat in Pakistan than in amreeka. that said, the stronger reaction isnt in this case the more desirable reaction.
read it
ima get back to work now 
j/k