Crescent Bay finaly ready to launch a $3 billion project

[antiobl]

Re: Crescent Bay finaly ready to launch a $3 billion project

did you try to go to school "for learning", to office "to work", to shop "to do business", to mosque "to kneel in front of Allah" in Pakistan?

And if so, did anyone try to stop you just out of malice? Were you denied to practice a peaceful, productive, and positive way of life all due to the government.

Ofcourse Anitobl, we should deny all Pakistani their freedom, deny them their right to choose their leaders... Deny them justice, or any hope of having rights as citizens and as human being.. Your ignorance of hiostory is rather mind boggling... You know as well as anyone who really was calling all the shots in Pakistan... The Army is cancer which has destroyed the country time and again... Any political analyst of any repute would know that in a country like Pakistan where the Army is in charge of all things, democracy was bound to fail...

Lets allow the Army to control EVERYTHING in the country, they have done a smashing job so far.. Honestly AntiObl, you and your friends live in a perpetual fantasy world.. Pakistan could be burnt to a crisp and you will continue to support this dictator...

Have fun with your little thread, but its was you friend who brought up the Chirf Justice, and I just corrected him... You should thank me for injecting some reality into the thread..

[system]

Re: Crescent Bay finaly ready to launch a $3 billion project

did you try to go to school "for learning", to office "to work", to shop "to do business", to mosque "to kneel in front of Allah" in Pakistan?

And if so, did anyone try to stop you just out of malice? Were you denied to practice a peaceful, productive, and positive way of life all due to the government.

LOL... There is a little more to society then just being allowed to work and go to some office, and being able to pray...
We want a free media, the freedom to choose our representatives and our leaders. We want to not have to worry that our society is being run by the whim of a single individual...

Do we want to be able to question the actions of those who claim to be our leaders... Can we do that? No, we cant. Can we expect that the dictator will allow us to choose our own leaders? No we cant.. Will our dictator allow anyone to question his authoirty?!?! ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Remember one thing, that Jinnah intended for Pakistan to a free society... We could have worked in India, we could have lived and prayed in India... But we would not have had our freedom. And Pakistan was not made to be run like this by a tin pot dictator depriving people of their rights.

You are satisified with the mundane self centered existance... But someone who truly cares for the country would be appaled by how Musharaf is destroying the consitution and undermining whatever democratic insitutions we have.

[suhaib]

Re: Crescent Bay finaly ready to launch a $3 billion project

@PaKpatriot1

First of all, you are very rude.. Add that to your lack of insight or common sense and that makes you look completely weird. NOW CALM DOWN AND READ! IF YOU WANT TO DEBATE THIS, THEN ACT LIKE A HUMAN BEING.

The Golden 90’s period was a queer period in our history but that doesnt mean you abandon the democratic path altogether… For one thing, the Military was still the one calling the shots… No govt was ever allowed to finish its term and thus we really cant judge. Ultimately, if the system was flawed, then its up to the electorate to decide who should or should not be in power, not this two bit dictator Musharaf.

Again, readl.. I DID NOT SAY THAT THE CM HAD A PROBLEM WITH BUNDLE ISLAND!!!
I cited to CM to make the point that its not only the Chief Justice who was behind the cancelation or delay in projects as the Reza was trying to imply… You for some reason dont get this simple point…
Your blinded by the obsesive need to support you dictator general cum president, even at the exppense of common sense. Are you related to the dictator?

Whether developed oor not, Pakistani people STILL HAVE RIGHTS… You dictator lovers obviously dont respect those rights unless its you who are being lathi charged I suppose. Pakistan may not be a developed country, but that doesnt mean we fail to emulate the good things within those societies… We dont kick people of their land, and allow them to be exploited… The CJ atleast understood that simple point… Pakistan was not made to allow ruthless people run the poor into the dirt.

If there were poultry farmers in Manhattan, they would have the recourse of being able to take their complaints to the COURTS… YOU dont understand that? If the COURTS judge that these people must move then they must move. If the courts think these people have a valid case, then they must be taken into consideration.. WITHOUT INDEPENDANT COURTS IN PAKISTAN, A POULTRY FARMER COULD NEVER HAVE HIS CASE HEARD AND, AS WITH THE FISHERMEN, HE WOULD BE KICKED OF HIS LAND… There is a case of imminenet domain in Brooklyn Ny that you could study.. In it, at stake is a billion dollar project, and whats standing in the way is the objection from residents.. The process is trudging along slowly but only after countless hearings…
Again, your lost in your obsesive need for investment and appeasing your dictator.
This is not about the CJ in particular, but what he represents… Freedom from dictatorship and the rule of law which is something you dont believe in.

Yes I know how bad the steel mills were doing.. But again, YOU missed the point… In a democracy, any sort of privitization would be discussed with all… The opposition would be involved and the process would be COMPLETELY transparent. Its NOT a case of whether its was a brilliant deal or not, but rather, whether it was done in a transparent manner the way it should have been… The CJ stepped in to stop an obviously corrupt sale of a state asset. The court has EVERY right to take this action as it is an indepenadant arm of the govt which is tasked to oversee the other branches…

And I dont think you understand how screwed up construction and engineering is in Pakistan… Yo claim to, but your lost.
The Buildings you are talking about HAD to be stopped to prevent them from flouting construction laws because they were probably ALL flouting these laws… Not to stop them would make it impossible to control the problem. Its like your in a room full of appliances that are going crazy.. The best way to stop them is to turn the electricity out on all appliances.. Its really common sense, but doesnt seem that common in your case. Ultimately, the engineers and investors, if Pakistan were a functional country, would be able to take the case to the courts themselves… This is how things normaly work.. Ultimately, the case would have gone to the Supreme court to decide… If the investors and engineers are in the right, then well and good, but if not, they would be told to offer guarantees that their work is up to par and they would be allowed to continue..

Now you lack the understanding of democracy and rule of law… The system is slow and imperfect, but it guarantees that people like Musharaf dont come in and abuse their powers as our dictator has… The system of courts guarantees that all people have access to justice and a fair hearing…
If there is a problem with the Courts, its up to the National ASSEMBLY to debate and to fix those problems. The problem with Pakistan is that ALL power is concentrated with the executive.. There is no balance in the system, so Musharaf can call and emergency, sack all the judges, ban the media, arrest innocent people, and do whatever he feels because there is no check on his powers… That is why he is a dictator and why we need a stron judiciary to prevent dictatorship…
You seem to lack an understanding of the basics of democracy… And unfortunately, your not alone, as people like Musharaf the dictator and other cronies also lack this understaning.

dude you never stop do you.

i am rude? if some try to burn your house down then what would you do?
you may not give 2cents about pakistan but i do, ok.
here we finaly have a good person leading the country ready to give his life up for his country and you people want to eat his head and instead you support looteray like nawaz shirff, benazir, thief justice choudry etc.

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT DUDE, army hadrly had a say in the 90s, it was always the presidant that removed pm, do you even know a single thing about pakistan,
nawaz shirff was the only one to be removed by a general and that was because of him trying to take the country apart and his dumb decison.
had musharraf not come, we would have been ruled by the shirff and bhutto family for the rest of our history.

i never said CM had no problem with the project, do you have a brain, try and use it.
i dnt care if cm had a problem with it, i am talking about why it was ordered to stop which was done by the thief justice and the cm had nothing to do with that, get this into your tiny head, and stop bring out silly excuses one after another like a baby.

yes you are right that it should be left to the people to decide and not to a thief justice, and the majoirty of people want it to be made.
your 2 bit thief justice can go to hell.

and i never said it wont go to the courts if manhattan had a poultry farm, learn to read, if you cant dnt reply cos it makes you look weird.
the court will obviously support and give a judgement looking at whats in the interest of the country and whats better for it and that will be replace the poultry farm with a business center and relocateing the poultry farm to the outskirts of the city which will not affect it, but thief justice just wanted to drown pakistan i guess, you understand something or not.

once again you seem to be oblivious of the facts, when was privatization ever discussed, did nawaz shirff discuss it with any else before selling pakistan units. NO, that is what you call a corrupt privatization, not what musharraf has done, he has privatized the way usa and uk did it, you obviously dnt understand anything, i ahve told you 2 times now what was happening with the steel mills now im not going around in circles like you, just go and ask any sane businessman in the world about it and he will tell you shukat azizs move was a **brillant move **to privatize steel mills.

again you have no clue what you are talking about, and are in a lost world of your own, and again stop going round in circles will you, i have allready told you if construction laws are not being followed you dnt just ban it, IT WILL DROWN YOUR COUNTRY and especially pakistan considering its the largest employer in pakistan, i repeat, IT HAS CAUSED PAKISTAN TO LOSE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF JOBS, a 2 year old chief justice will now that and never do anything like that, but ofcourse we had a 2 bit thief justice wanting to tear apart the country, there are other things which could have been done, sc could have revamped the development authoritys and ask them to send engineers to these sites to aspect them and then take the ones violating the laws to court but i guess he had a one point agenda and that was to tear pakistan apart.

now we can see why we are in such a position and will be for quite long cos we have people like you who dnt want pakistan to develop and instead support 2 bit thief justices.
you are right with people like that in the sc, we will never see people like musharraf to take the country forward but see people like nawaz shirff and benzir all the time, thank god he has gone and hopefully will die is well now and all enemys of pakistan like him will be convicted and no one will able to stop musharraf from taking pakistan throught the path to properity and turning the country into an economic powerhouse.

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD, MUSHARRAF ZINDABAB

[system]

Re: Crescent Bay finaly ready to launch a $3 billion project

@suhaib

dude you never stop do you.

i am rude? if some try to burn your house down then what would you do?
you may not give 2cents about pakistan but i do, ok.
here we finaly have a good person leading the country ready to give his life up for his country and you people want to eat his head and instead you support looteray like nawaz shirff, benazir, thief justice choudry etc.

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT DUDE, army hadrly had a say in the 90s, it was always the presidant that removed pm, do you even know a single thing about pakistan,
nawaz shirff was the only one to be removed by a general and that was because of him trying to take the country apart and his dumb decison.
had musharraf not come, we would have been ruled by the shirff and bhutto family for the rest of our history.

i never said CM had no problem with the project, do you have a brain, try and use it.
i dnt care if cm had a problem with it, i am talking about why it was ordered to stop which was done by the thief justice and the cm had nothing to do with that, get this into your tiny head, and stop bring out silly excuses one after another like a baby.

yes you are right that it should be left to the people to decide and not to a thief justice, and the majoirty of people want it to be made.
your 2 bit thief justice can go to hell.

and i never said it wont go to the courts if manhattan had a poultry farm, learn to read, if you cant dnt reply cos it makes you look weird.
the court will obviously support and give a judgement looking at whats in the interest of the country and whats better for it and that will be replace the poultry farm with a business center and relocateing the poultry farm to the outskirts of the city which will not affect it, but thief justice just wanted to drown pakistan i guess, you understand something or not.

once again you seem to be oblivious of the facts, when was privatization ever discussed, did nawaz shirff discuss it with any else before selling pakistan units. NO, that is what you call a corrupt privatization, not what musharraf has done, he has privatized the way usa and uk did it, you obviously dnt understand anything, i ahve told you 2 times now what was happening with the steel mills now im not going around in circles like you, just go and ask any sane businessman in the world about it and he will tell you shukat azizs move was a **brillant move **to privatize steel mills.

again you have no clue what you are talking about, and are in a lost world of your own, and again stop going round in circles will you, i have allready told you if construction laws are not being followed you dnt just ban it, IT WILL DROWN YOUR COUNTRY and especially pakistan considering its the largest employer in pakistan, i repeat, IT HAS CAUSED PAKISTAN TO LOSE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF JOBS, a 2 year old chief justice will now that and never do anything like that, but ofcourse we had a 2 bit thief justice wanting to tear apart the country, there are other things which could have been done, sc could have revamped the development authoritys and ask them to send engineers to these sites to aspect them and then take the ones violating the laws to court but i guess he had a one point agenda and that was to tear pakistan apart.

now we can see why we are in such a position and will be for quite long cos we have people like you who dnt want pakistan to develop and instead support 2 bit thief justices.
you are right with people like that in the sc, we will never see people like musharraf to take the country forward but see people like nawaz shirff and benzir all the time, thank god he has gone and hopefully will die is well now and all enemys of pakistan like him will be convicted and no one will able to stop musharraf from taking pakistan throught the path to properity and turning the country into an economic powerhouse.

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD, MUSHARRAF ZINDABAB

I dont stop because you full of BS… Musharaf himself said that allthorugh his tenure as Chief of Army staff in the 90’s people were coming to him.. And its open secret that the GHQ was calling the shots or undermining the elected govt.. The fact that you dont know this exposes you incompetance…
Someone has to stand up to you ill informed and radically brainwashed Musharaf chamchas…
Go back to worshiping you little dictator/god… But dont be surprised when the tyrant is put in palce.. And have the descency to show respect to the person who stood up to him to defend the nation…
And honestly, wave all the flags you want, but ultimately, you are only disgracing it…Pathetic.

[king_faisal]

Re: Crescent Bay finaly ready to launch a $3 billion project

trying to convince people that economy has done well under musharraf is like trying to convince doubters that man has landed on the moon or mullahs that jews nothing to do with 9/11. by arguing against something that is easily observable, anti-mush brigade is revealing their own jahaluth. its pointless arguing with such people who dont understand the basics of logic. such people should be treated in the manner that a paghal faqeer is treated in a pakistani bazaar

[system]

Re: Crescent Bay finaly ready to launch a $3 billion project

@king_faisal

trying to convince people that economy has done well under musharraf is like trying to convince doubters that man has landed on the moon or mullahs that jews nothing to do with 9/11. by arguing against something that is easily observable, anti-mush brigade is revealing their own jahaluth. its pointless arguing with such people who dont understand the basics of logic. such people should be treated in the manner that a paghal faqeer is treated in a pakistani bazaar

Dont believe me or the Anti Mushies brigade, then go talk to the people in Pakistan.. Ask them how Musharaf has improved their life...
And if you consider people who actually know a thing or two about Economics Jahul then you are truly beyond hope..
Go talk to the countless QUALIFIED economists who believe that Pakistan is on a steep decline and that Musharaf has really screwed up the economy...

You people are so in love with your dictator that your have lost your senses.

[Decent_6Chora]

Re: Crescent Bay finaly ready to launch a $3 billion project

@PaKpatriot1

…
Secondly, im NOT against investment… The people who get directly affected by these projects are the ones who complain. **Unlike in more developed countries where even the poor have a voice and rights, in Pakistan, people like you, desperate for any investment are willing to roll over any opposition no matter how justified. **…

I dont know which developed countries you are talking about but here in US, you can be kicked out of your home if some company decided to build a “public interest” (even shopping center etc) project on your land (let alone the freeways and roads etc). As per law, you will be compensated and will be kicked out if you decided not to accept the computations. Most of the projects that can boom the local economy (such as shopping centers, amusements parks etc) are categorized as “public interest projects”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8331097/

[system]

Re: Crescent Bay finaly ready to launch a $3 billion project

@Decent_6Chora

I dont know which developed countries you are talking about but here in US, you can be kicked out of your home if some company decided to build a “public interest” (even shopping center etc) project on your land (let alone the freeways and roads etc). As per law, you will be compensated and will be kicked out if you decided not to accept the computations. Most of the projects that can boom the local economy (such as shopping centers, amusements parks etc) are categorized as “public interest projects”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8331097/

Yes, its called imminant domain, where land can be seized by the state or govt.. But here is what you missed or you failed to grasp.. i KEEP SAYING THIS OVER AND OVER SO FOLLOW ME THIS TIME…

DEVELOPED COUNTRIES, People can resort to the judgement of the COURTS! If the court decides, then the imminent domain can apply…
In PAKISTAN, People DONT HAVE THE LUXURY OF RESORTING TO COURTS TO FIND JUSTICE…
The Atlantic Yards example is a case in point where residents of down town brooklyn have been fighting a 2 Billion dollar or so investment deal through the courts… If they fail, then the imminant domain shall apply…
In Pakistan, no one wins because the Courts are corrupt and always side with the govt or the investor… Also, the poor cant afford to challenge the state… Thats why people support the Chief Justice, because he stepped out of the normal mindset of the corrupt official and actually HELPED the little guy… You people who love tyrants and hatre the poor would offcourse hate that about him.

GET THIS THROUGH YOU THICK SKULLS PEOPLE!

[Shak_killS]

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nice project, failed Not to notice its again in one of the DHA's of the country.

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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@king_faisal

trying to convince people that economy has done well under musharraf is like trying to convince doubters that man has landed on the moon or mullahs that jews nothing to do with 9/11. by arguing against something that is easily observable, anti-mush brigade is revealing their own jahaluth. its pointless arguing with such people who dont understand the basics of logic. such people should be treated in the manner that a paghal faqeer is treated in a pakistani bazaar

[Aalsi]

Re: Crescent Bay finaly ready to launch a $3 billion project

Mashallah. God Bless Presidnt Musharaf and his govt. :k:

[Reza_Pahlavi]

Re: Crescent Bay finaly ready to launch a $3 billion project

@Aalsi

Mashallah. God Bless Presidnt Musharaf and his govt. :k:

Yes, and God bless the new and wiser judiciary, which is not outting impediments in the way of these great projects.

[system]

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Yes, and God bless the new and wiser judiciary, which is not outting impediments in the way of these great projects.

It wasnt the Courts that have been standing in the way of these so called projects...
And how are they wiser for allowing construction people to flout local laws, and displace poor people without any compensation or regard for civil rights?

[Aalsi]

Re: Crescent Bay finaly ready to launch a $3 billion project

@Reza_Pahlavi

Yes, and God bless the new and wiser judiciary, which is not outting impediments in the way of these great projects.

Absolutely right. God Bless the unbiased Judiciary. :k:

[suhaib]

Re: Crescent Bay finaly ready to launch a $3 billion project

@Aalsi

Absolutely right. God Bless the unbiased Judiciary. :k:

indeed, thanks to the new unbiased judicairy the project has got underway.
and the thief justice has gone packing to jail.

may this super growth under musharraf continue :k:

[suhaib]

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i love it how you anti paks get so jeoulous when pakistan developers. LOL
so sadd.

but we have musharraf and pakistan is developing at super pace, and it will continue, so your whineing will hardly do anything

[system]

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@suhaib

i love it how you anti paks get so jeoulous when pakistan developers. LOL so sadd.

but we have musharraf and pakistan is developing at super pace, and it will continue, so your whineing will hardly do anything

You dictator supporters are so easy to catch in a lie..
lie noumber one, that you truly care for PAKISTAN.. You people are a disgrace. You love Musharaf, not you country.

Your Msuharafs days are numbered... So cling to you "development" Projects because thats all you have left.

Now Alsi is going to come wave the flag and you will repeat the same bs over and over again.

[suhaib]

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You dictator supporters are so easy to catch in a lie.. lie noumber one, that you truly care for PAKISTAN.. You people are a disgrace. You love Musharaf, not you country.

Your Msuharafs days are numbered... So cling to you "development" Projects because thats all you have left.

Now Alsi is going to come wave the flag and you will repeat the same bs over and over again.

again stop the drama, you should be doing stage dramas not talking about pakistan.
nice try but you have been exposed, your dramas are worthless, so stop acting, we can see you hate pakistan, dnt act

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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The new Supreme Court:-

The order said: “Instances of transgression of judicial authority at large-scale may be found in the cases of determination of prices of fruits, vegetables and other edibles, suspension and transfers of government officials, frequent directions to enact particular laws, stoppage of various development projects, such as New Murree City, Islamabad Chalets, Lahore Canal Road and many more.

PCO Judges 2007 v PCO Judges 2000](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=270600)

[system]

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again stop the drama, you should be doing stage dramas not talking about pakistan. nice try but you have been exposed, your dramas are worthless, so stop acting, we can see you hate pakistan, dnt act

Yeah, I heard.. FACT IS THOUGH, you still support an evil dictator and your so called "developments" are worthless way of distacting from the incompetance of this dictator...
You like that drame?