Is Pakistan, India or any nation created by Allah? If it is not created by Allah then why we should be loyal or fighting for small piece of lsnd. Allah created this earth and stupid and selfish people like us created boundries and nations like Pakistan ,India etc. Allah created humanbeings and we converted ourself such as Muslims,Hindus etc. I can go on & on & on Point is to call ourself as a muslim other than humanbeings ,is it not against the will of Allah? Allah who created us created this universe but rather than loving this universe we are destroying it, is it not against the will of Allah? What kind of human being are we?
you are right...we should listen to the words of Allah. Read the Qur'an.
Ehhh….how is this topic related to politics? It’s interesting though :)
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Realpaki - I share your hurt and of others like you.
If there is ever to be justice & love in this world then nationalism and extremism must go poof & die.
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go into the profile of 'real'paki and you will see that he calls his country of origin FAKISTAN.
U wanna unite with RAW agents be my guest.
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realpaki - All babies are born Muslims. They convert to other religions afterwards. They are innocent and pure.
Islam teaches us peace and love. But it also teaches us to stand up for ourselves when that peace and love in our lives is subverted by a force of oppression. It is our duty as Muslims to fight if we are denied our right to practice our religion, ejected from our homes or physically harmed.
Achtung
"Let me say, at the risk of sounding ridiculous, that the true revelutionary is guided by feelings of ** love ** " Ernesto "CHE" Guevara
Little correction!!!!!!!!!!!!
Babis converted in to muslim after cutting their pennis and with cerominy
All babies born as a human beings navie and innocent and then we convert them into our
faith without their knowledge and permission
My friend think little bit before you write
you/me and majority like us calls us muslim/hindu or any other faith just because our parents belong to that faith nothing else
Universal truth is we came to this world with nothing and living this world with nothing. If this is true then why to create
hate among each other
realpaki...if you were a Muslim you would know that in Islam all babies are considered Muslims. Even the ones born in Hindu families in India. They convert into other faiths afterwards. This is why converts to Islam call themselves re-verts, because they are reverting to their original faith.
Be careful where your going with this realpaki, if you continue to offend people, the insults against you will intensify...
Achtung
PS: Babies born in India are converted when they are forced to worship phallic structures and the penises of Gods...Lingum worship, I think its called...
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My dear friend
Babies does'nt matter where they born do not have any religion or faith. Their parents give the same to them. ask your dad
If you were born in the city of Vatican, what will be your religion?
One more thing show me where it is written in quran to to hate other faith?
One calling muslim himself and bevaing like muslim are two diff. thing.
Please see in to mrrror and ask your self
am I following what is said in islam or am I
pretending it?
Show in Quran where it is written the world Hindu and then hate Hindu, if not why are you hating these people. Why don't you consider they are also created by Allha and
hince your brother.
As far as fakistan is concern please read my massage carefully, whatever created by Allah is only true and rest everything is false hince boundries separating India oan Pakistan
are false. What is true is this earth and I am citizen of this earth free to go anywhere
where I feel like without any restriction.
I feel there is nothing like Pakistan or Fakistan or India. This is all created by selfish men for their own materialist benefit.
Further more , please read and try to understand what is written in Bible,Gita or Quran. you will find 99% contents has the same meaning. Only diff, is Gigas says he is son of god ( his selfish motive) Mohammed says he is last messenger of god (his selfish motive) These things are going for centuries.
Ferrows who ruled Egypt for 7000 years consider themself as gods (again selfish motive) now lying in the musiams.
But one thing but sure. No one told their followers to hate other.
Now you and me we are hating each other this is also for selfish motive ( may be you or me try to prove superiority over each other
who knows)
In short so called God,Khuda,Allah,Bhagwan or aney body is a biggest froud man ever created, faith is No. one selling product on the earth and priest,Maulana or Maulavi or any body likewise are the salesman of this
products
Think little bit and then reply
Firstly, Pakistanis don't hate Hindus, they don't hate Indians, they do question the actions of the Indian government. The Qur'an does not teach us to hate anyone - rather it teaches love. Weather you believe babies are born Muslim or not, is not of interest to me. I am simply telling you that this is something Muslims believe.
Further more , please read and try to understand what is written in Bible,Gita or Quran.<<
First off, don't judge anyone here. You don't know any of us here. Many of us have been posting here for a long time and WE do have knowledge of all these books. If you want to get into a serious theological discussion, about the Bible, the Quran or the Gita, I'd be happy to oblige.
you will find 99% contents has the same meaning.<<<
I agree all religions preach love, its the subversion of religion which creates hate. Just like it is the subversion of other non-religious ideologies which encourage hate. Its not the message itself, but the interpretation of the message. I believe that the majority of people (regardless of what they believe in) are good and peace loving. Your posts don't reflect that you believe this.
Only diff, is Gigas says he is son of god ( his selfish motive)<<
Jesus was anything but SELFISH. Please don't insult our Prophets. Even if you don't believe that Jesus is a Prophet of God, you should surely be able to appreciate the legacy of kindness and love he has left behind and the beauty of his teachings. Teaching we believe were inspired by his love and connection with Allah.
Mohammed says he is last messenger of god (his selfish motive)<<
Again, you are the one spreading hate here...by insulting our Prophets. Your such a hypocrite. The insult you've levelled here is no different from that of Salman Rushdie. Its easy to insult greatness in one sentence, a little harder to back it up with a logical argument.
whatever created by Allah is only true and rest everything is false hince boundries separating India oan Pakistan are false.<<
I agree Islam is a universal religion, its message is for all of humanity. Boundaries are false. Regardless of the boundaries, even if you removed them, there would be strife between people. Weather it be due to competition for resources or differing ideologies, or religions. What you are arguing for it seems, is the dismantling of national soverignty. And yes this may result in a decrease in conflict, but it isn't a realistic goal.
Think little bit and then reply<<
Think about what? How bout I go and think about how stupid your posts are! I'm also thinking it is not really worth my time to reply to your insincere posts which obviously don't reflect the feelings of most Indians.
Achtung
Thanks, this is the first time a pakistani wrote that they don't hate Hindus or Ondians
If all your friends start thinking like this then we have solved half the problem
You have not red my complete message hince look like forgot to answer some ( but important points)
If you or me or any body who think that Islam
is created by Allah then in front of your eyes everybody is Islamic, because Allah cannot create something else, then why even to think about any other faith and boli your blood over it. If you belive this earth is created by Allah then just think about this earth why even to think about Pakistan,India or Kashmir. Why make narrow mind.Why to call ourself Pakistani or Indian. Universal truth is one day you are going to leave this world
wether you like it or not. All the love and hate relation ship you are going to leave behind. Over the period of time no body even recognize you, knoewing this why go get involved in to negative or distructive relationship or behaviour
Tell me something if whole world is going to become Muslim or Hindu or any other religion
what will happen. Nothing, over the period of time it will be splited in to pieces again
First Jews came then Jesus sepreated and started his one after some time Mohammed arrived,he started his own thereafter Agakhan , Ahamedi movement goes on and on
We have to look whole situation from the eyes of eagle and then you will see that how narrow minded people we are. Further coments next time
Re-read my post, I don't think YOU read it, especially this part:
"I agree Islam is a universal religion, its message is for all of humanity. Boundaries are false. Regardless of the boundaries, even if you removed them, there would be strife between people. Weather it be due to competition for resources or differing ideologies, or religions. What you are arguing for it seems, is the dismantling of national soverignty. And yes this may result in a decrease in conflict, but it isn't a realistic goal."
You don't understand very much about conflicts in the world. This is why you are having problems understanding the posts of others. Your view is very simplistic and unrealistic. You are confusing self-defense with 'hate'.
First Jews came then Jesus sepreated and started his one after some time Mohammed arrived,he started his own thereafter Agakhan , Ahamedi movement goes on and on<<
Jesus and Muhammad were both Muslims. Muslims are not as divided as it may seem to you. I believe that the majority of Muslims feel the same way about many issues, but are disempowered. Division is a natural process, Islam acknowledges this. It isn't the divisions which create conflict. Its the lack of understanding differences and permitting them to exist. You are advocating that we ALL reject religion, because you believe it is the product of 'men' and not God. But I believe, as do other members of this forum I'm sure, that we can get learn to accept differences, as long as we are permitted to practice our own beliefs unhindered.
Achtung
You are perfectly all right to practice your
own faith or religion without poking your nose in to others. In this gupsjup forum you guyes constantly spreading hate against Indians or Hindus that is wrong
lol
Where..what are you talking about? I can't see anybody spreading hate about Hindus. You are boring me now....
Achtung
Its always boring when you do not have an answer. Please read your own messages please go theough practically every thread in the politics sect. and then tell me. By the where do you live and what you do for living
Just quaricity
It isn't a matter of hatred at all. Pakis don't hate all non-muslims that's why you won't hear us criticising Brazilians or Dutch people for example.
Nobody hates hindus either, at least not the one's who practice their own religion which is supposed to be about peace. Unfortunately there is a lot of Bal Thackeray types around and this realpaki is a good example.
Different problems call for different solutions. you might be able to pet a cat but if you are dealing with a snake it is best to stomp on it's head.
Coz even though snakes are not very strong they are quite sneaky and will bite you in a jiffy if they get the chance.
Why do we have to fight like this hun? hindu muslims christian all is human beings, right? why not we all worship one god instead of 15 gods or 20 gods? here in india some peoples worships the cows, some worships the monkey..the hanumaan..some worships the elephants, and also some worships the snake. I know one woman who is worshipping the snakes to get health...she got bite by the snake and dead. And people killed the snake then. I think Islam seems to be more logical, hence we should all follow Islam and follow their teachings.
Realpaki..you are so lucky to be pakistani and muslim, like pakistan is fortress of islam and people there are in so much better shapes than peoples here in india. Here in calcutta lots of my relative still lives in parks on bench. i hopes to go to america and get visa so i can get there and follow islam. RealPaki..you should drop all prejudices too brothers, and come with me
To learn about hindu gods tou must learn hindu mythology ( if you are interested check mythology on net and you will find all the answers. Hindu belives in only one god
like all other faith do who is a creator, protectot and destroyer.
Before putting chieldish coment read little bit
Not that there was any doubt about it, but at last, realpaki acknowledges his hindu existence, not that there is anything wrong with that ;)
I do not belive in any god whether it muslim khuda or hindu bhagwan. As for as I am concern god is biggest fraud man ever created
( I have mentioned this in my previous post )
As for as religion is concerned it is nothing but way of life. As far as temples,masks or churches are concern, these are gathering places for the people of same thinking for personal benifit nothing else.
As far as holey books are concern, the way I think is these are goodbooks, most of the stuff is copied by shroud people like jesus,mohammed etc from previous authors such as old & new testimonts,various vedas
etc.
Crazy right?
If you wants to know more just ask I will post next time
You guyes called yourself real follower of islam are very narrow minded people who gets angry listining opposite views