Do you believe conversions help in improving the society ? Specially, if a guy is converting just out of frustrations ( poverty or unjustice ) or to marry a girl ?
Regarding mariage, i would specifically want to know if inter-sect conversions are common in Pakistan ?
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Inter-sect marriage are not very common but they do occur but very people I know changed their sect because of it
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"for the sake of marriage/poverty" shows someone valuing "love/emotions/needs" more than his/her own thought process.
Conversion on "mass level" may help the society, depends on where the conversion is leading to, but again depends on how sincere the converts are towards the religion they are converting to.
Inter-sect marriages were much more rare in past than these days.
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Can you put on a list of top 10 sects as per your opinion. And what is the criteria that one sect is considered better than others.
Do you really think that the poor muslims in india are better placed then poor dalits ? Or poor muslims are considered equal by rich vadera muslims in pakistan ?
Conversion is not a solution to reform a society ! Just my opinion.
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What is the real topic of your discussion? Is it sects in a religion? Dalits and Brahmins vs Waderas? Conversion from one religion to the other? First make up your mind about that then come back.
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vaderas converted from high caste hindu families to islam that does not mean they will marry a dalit muslim convert.
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you guys really can’t get over your caste system.
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Well, I have not been able to make out anything from the topic. Whatever I have understood is that, some people are unhappy with conversions and think they are something that should be exterminated.....
Let me open things up a little bit.
This topic again deals with the caste system in hinduism (Sorry to say but I have to open things up a bit)
In Hinduism, you are born in a particular caste and you CANNOT change your caste in ANYWAY. You have specific duties IRRESPECTIVE of your capabilities. Your caste determines your duties, not your intelligence, abilities etc. If you are born from the feet of Brahma and are a DALIT, you cannot be a scientist even if you are exceptionally intellegent....
You cannot convert under this caste system. Once you die, you again come to this world and this time your physical form depends on the kind of deeds you did in your previous life. If you did good deeds, you are born in a good state, if you did bad deeds, you can be born in a bad state for example as a dog, donkey, smake etc.......
You have to die and born many times before reaching your "ultimate"............ That is why, the Hindus consider convertion a crime against Hindu mythology........
I'll write more
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there is lot of mixture of brahmins and dalits i am sure since there are brahmins who look like dalits. india is most hetrogenous country .
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next time you post a comment, better “quote” or address the person who you are responding to irrespective of how much sense it makes.
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OK, i will ask one by one for your convenience:
List the 10 best sects in chronological order. And mark the one which you belong to.
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Here’s the proof from Bhagwad Gita
“It is better to engage in one’s own svadharma (occupation), even though one may perform it imperfectly, than to accept another’s occupation and perform it perfectly. Duties prescribed according to one’s nature are never affected by sinful reactions.”
Bhagavad-Gita 18:47
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List of top 10 sects within Islam that a Muslim would be okay with getting married in?
Please elaborate.
Addressing your initial post, I would like to add that it’s not worth switching sects or religion for the sake of marriage. I would assume such people may not be at peace if their sole purpose for conversion (to any religion) was to get married.
I think it would be better to study the religion whose follower you might be interested in getting married to prior to conversion. If only it makes sense you should proceed with the conversion.
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Thanks. What I want to know is it OK to declare in Islam that one belongs to a particular sect ? Is it not as bad as caste system prevailing in sub continnent ? Which sect is considered to be the best & to which sect Prophet Mohammd, pbuh belong to ?
Whatever you might say Islam has not been able to eradicate this caste sytem in Pakistan.
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klub123, I'm sure someone else would be able to better refute your claim about how sects and caste system are not the same thing.
Initially, there are supposed to be no sects, but with time people have had differences in their beliefs and interpretations due to which sects were formed. All sects believe that they are on the correct path.
Inter-sect marriage could be very difficult for some (and not necessarily for others) because of the difference of beliefs.
With sects, we don't look down upon each other based on our social status, lineage, and the like, but the basis for preferring to not inter-marry (applies to some and not all) is primarily the difference of beliefs.
However, on the other hand, Pakistanis do look down upon each other based on provices, lineage, wealth, status, etc., but this is not something taught by Islam. For instance, people from one city may not like people from another, or they would only want someone with a certain level of education and status.
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But you didn’t anwer what your “topic” of discussion is? I don’t rank or rate “top ten” sects for any purpose.
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Thanks.
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Thanks for not answering. Server space is more precious than your useless answer.
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Not exactly, what she means it that within the group of some sects they are all headed towards same direction, she didn’t mean to include “other religions”.
Not really, the reason of difficulty in “inter-sect” marriages is based on religious “practices” and are not “forbidden”.
Don’t confuse yourself with existing “nationalism” that is prevailing in current “world” with “Islam”.
No, there is no need for “cover”, there is no prohibition or stoppage in inter-sect mixing/wedding based on Islam, however Hinduism does that (whether current Hindu majority practices or not is a different issue).
You are still confused. The society in Pakistan has carried some Hindu traditions, but other “Muslim” societies don’t have that, why? cuz of long-time effects don’t go away so shortly, you won’t see same “cultural” practices prevailing in Pakistan in other countries i.e. Saudi, Egypt, Iran, Indonesia.
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useless questions are answered that way