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Whats the difference and why is there this distinction?
i gues women are not that visual and impulsive
like men.
[This message has been edited by rvikz (edited May 29, 2001).]
yeah cover men too..
good idea .
why only women..
different mindset?
Can you guys elaborate a lil more...in regards to Islam maybe?
gfq aap to bura hi maan gayen... I think most of the girls who cover themselves like it...
Why don't you ask the one who commanded the women to do so?
Because Allah ordered in Quran.
Any problems with that???
GFQ, I have a feeling that you have a debate or a line of reasoning up your sleeve. I am here to learn as much as I am here to discuss.
You know my opinion, now let’s hear yours
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Originally posted by analyze it:
*Because Allah ordered in Quran.
Any problems with that???*
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Now thats the spirit. 200% totally agree.
This is so because of what Islam teaches us. Womens aurah is there entire body, except hands and face, or so the majority of the Islamic community has concluded with basis on Quran and Sunnah. Mens Aurah is from the knees to the navel. Aurah is the part which has to be covered.
The first thing that ought to run through our minds are to accept this without even thinking as these are the words of Allah himself, the All-knowing.
However, one doesn’t need to do that much research before we see that men are physically much more drawn towards the women than oposite is the case. Without sounding like a chauvinist I would beleive that the stability of society is best kept and maintained with a sensible implementation of these rules.
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I tried to put it short. Any questions ?
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Even before "GOD" was introduced there were some men who (were recently empowered), decided that from now own the women with all those bare breasts should cover them selves.... why they decided that ….is yet to be known….
But one thing is for sure, they started doing that when women lost their right to be equal to men for the first time.
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Originally posted by aMiGo:
Mens Aurah is from the knees to the navel. Aurah is the part which has to be covered.
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How many posts have you seen in the image forum admiring a guy with pictures taken between knees and the navel? You will find that pictures of guys also include face, hands and bodies because (suprise suprise) lots of females find attraction in these body parts.
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However, one doesn't need to do that much research before we see that men are physically much more drawn towards the women than oposite is the case. Without sounding like a chauvinist I would beleive that the stability of society is best kept and maintained with a sensible implementation of these rules. **
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I agree that we should have sensible rules.
However, until girls no longer are tempted by the sight of an immodestly dressed man, I suggest you apply equal rules to both sexes when trying to "enforce" modesty.
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Pilot25, the definition of Aurah havent been made by me, but is found in hadithes. I could post references if you like. Of course the rule of dressing modestly as in wearing "non-revealing" clothes applies to men to.
However the fact is that the sharmo-haya concept is different on a male and a female. So its stated in Quran and Sunnah. No discussions.
I think I'll post some hadithes...
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strange but in some tribes of Africa, men (i think it's married man) have to wear cover and not women.
I wonder how many people think that it is bad in that harsh environment.
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Originally posted by Pilot25:
** How many posts have you seen in the image forum admiring a guy with pictures taken between knees and the navel? You will find that pictures of guys also include face, hands and bodies because (suprise suprise) lots of females find attraction in these body parts.
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I don't understand the reasoning behind this argument. If tomorrow guys starts to appreciate the head of girls more than anything else then does it mean that we should show the rest of a girls body?
We need to have some sort of standard and in our case it is provided by Quran.
Girl from Quraysh:
Can you plz explain,..if man is covered from head to toe,…what about woman,…they will be walking openly or they will be covered too…if you answer that question,…then I have very good answer waiting for this topic,…
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Originally posted by khan_sahib:
** I don't understand the reasoning behind this argument. If tomorrow guys starts to appreciate the head of girls more than anything else then does it mean that we should show the rest of a girls body?
We need to have some sort of standard and in our case it is provided by Quran.
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Perhaps I did not express myself very well.
A member stated earlier that the part of a man that should be covered (to avoid temptation) from the opposite sex was between the knees and the navel.
I actually believe that in order to effective cover a man modestly, you should cover more than that part of the body.
To highlight my point, I mentioned that all of the pictures of men, that female members are drooling over in the image forum show more than just the area between the knees and the navel.
Therefor, covering this part of the man's body is obviously not enough.
If people think that just covering a man from knees to navel is "dressing modestly" they are only fooling themselves.
My humble opinion.
I think I wasn’t clear enough. Even though mens Aurah is from the navel and down to the knees. it doesn’t mean that they should run around in shorts. They should also cover their bodies in a modest way. However, it is not as strictly compulsory as the rulings are towards women. This is what I can conclude from what I have read.
Peace
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Originally posted by aMiGo:
I think I wasn't clear enough. Even though mens Aurah is from the navel and down to the knees. it doesn't mean that they should run around in shorts. They should also cover their bodies in a modest way.
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You see, I agree with this. I try to practice this in my daily life and I think it's quite reasonable.
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However, it is not as strictly compulsory as the rulings are towards women. This is what I can conclude from what I have read.
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This is where we disagree. Why is it not "as strictly compulsory" for men as it is for women?
When ever I read the Quran, it always seemed to be 100% fair, just and reasonable in every way. However, when other people talk about what it says and base their edicts on them, they seem anything but reasonable.
What am I missing here?