Re: Cousin marriages - ghar ki murghi??
yawn enuff said.
One recent media report estimated that British Pakistanis were 13 times more likely to have children with genetic disorders than the general population. Taken out of context, this figure implies that ALL British Pakistanis are equally at risk irrespective of marriage patterns, and fails to clarify that the risk relates specifically to recessive genetic disorders which can arise in cousin marriages.
Re: Cousin marriages - ghar ki murghi??
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The absolute risk to first cousins having a child with a recessive genetic condition is about three in every 100 births, unless they have a family history of an autosomal recessive disorde
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Does this take into account cousin marriages generation after generation?
Does this take into account cousin marriages generation after generation?
No it doesn't. If you read what I posted, I do mention this and the fact that this where the problem arises.
lol @ some of the ignorant posts on here.
to the original poster, i wouldnt recommend telling non desis about your hubby being your cousin, they arent going to get it, will most likely be ignorant or uninterested in knowing cousin marriages were a norm for places like the uk(eg in the royal family)at one point and will just see it as weird. i wouldnt go there.
the fob thing, gah i really dont like this word, when people use it they just come across to me as though they feel themselves to be superior to so called fob. hows about when you're in his home country, would you like it if the people there looked down on you for not fitting in and had a nickname for you? nah.
yawn enuff said.
One recent media report estimated that British Pakistanis were 13 times more likely to have children with genetic disorders than the general population. Taken out of context, this figure implies that ALL British Pakistanis are equally at risk irrespective of marriage patterns, and fails to clarify that the risk relates specifically to recessive genetic disorders which can arise in cousin marriages.
Hmm no. Not 'enuff said'.
One recent media report **estimated.
**This is not fact. This is an estimation by the media. The very same media that predicted that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, would have died from swine flu by now.
If you continue to read the article at the **source **you will find some facts. It also goes on to say that the risk of problems due to women conceiving later in life is also significant. And overall in the population much more significant, as cousin marriage is a minority practice whilst having children later in life is becoming a majority practice.
^^yes they keep nicknames also
thy call me 'madam' over there in deragatory and condescending manner
but yeah i agree the use of the term 'fob' sais more negative things about the people using it then then the people they r talking about..its abcd jahilness at its height..
i guess those on their high horses need to be reminded of all the times they have been called 'paki' in teh west..
@fasaadi - But in that case it would most likely be known that they carry hemophilia. Also, what are the chances of cousins whose parents weren't related before marriage to even both carry the hemophilia gene? If people have a known heredity disease in the family, then that's another thing. Otherwise it will usually take more than one generation of cousin marriage to come out.
not necessarily...the example thats coming to my mind relates to specific groups e.g. within Memons or Punjabis where marrying outside that group of particular ethnicity from a particular city is taboo. In that case, you might not be marrying a direct cousin, but lets say all Jetpur Memons marry only other Memons who also came from Jetpur. The probability of you carrying the same genes or similar traits are much higher. But in general, I see your point...my main point was that disease is not the major risk here because most people wouldnt carry these rare, dangerous hereditary diseases....but infertility is an almost immediate and absolute risk.
not necessarily...the example thats coming to my mind relates to specific groups e.g. within Memons or Punjabis where marrying outside that group of particular ethnicity from a particular city is taboo. In that case, you might not be marrying a direct cousin, but lets say all Jetpur Memons marry only other Memons who also came from Jetpur. The probability of you carrying the same genes or similar traits are much higher. But in general, I see your point...my main point was that disease is not the major risk here because most people wouldnt carry these rare, dangerous hereditary diseases....but infertility is an almost immediate and absolute risk.
Is this for one generation of cousin marriage or after many? And what is the risk compared to unrelated couples?
I agree with you though.. I have said many times that marrying within the same group generation after generation is just asking for problems.
Re: Cousin marriages - ghar ki murghi??
When you guys say "cousin" what exactly qualifies?
Are people who marry often into distant cousins at the same risk level? are they normal?
When you guys say "cousin" what exactly qualifies?
Are people who marry often into distant cousins at the same risk level? are they normal?
distant cousins are at less risk..very low
to be honest, I dont have statistics…but common sense would dictate that in communities like these, even if its not a direct 1st cousin marrying a first cousin, there would have been “in family” marriages for generations. If a group of Memons, for example, are all from the same city in India, you’re bound to share the same genes…back in India, they all married within the same town to the same group of Memons, then that same group migrates to Pakistan where they continue to marry JUST Memons from Jetpur, would it even matter after a while if it was just first cousins? I mean you could have a couple that were “distant cousins”, lets say 3rd cousins, whose parents were 1st cousins, and whose parents’ parents were second cousins. There are bound to be some fertility issues there…
But for your particular question, just for the sake of it, lets assume in one family, there have never been cousin marriages and two first cousins marry. I think chance of disease is slim but fertility may prove an issue further down the line if their kids marry their cousins as well.
I think everyone is in agreement at least on one thing…excess of anything is bad, and in this case, its marrying into the family. if this is a one off thing, its not anything to worry about but if its a family trend, you’re better off marrying outside. Heres a good link I found on the topic:
Re: Cousin marriages - ghar ki murghi??
The question about whether there is risk and how much risk there may be can be aswered by a genetic counsellor with really pretty specific detail. So if you have any concern, a visit to one of these specialists would be the thing to do.
Re: Cousin marriages - ghar ki murghi??
^ Most of the families who do this generation after generation prob wouldn't be bothered about seeing a genetic counsellor, prob the way most of them see it is that future problems are simply down to 'fate' or Allah's will..
Good article but 2 points there I have issues with:
**From what I’ve seen it’s usually the opposite, girls are under more pressure to stay with a husband who’s cheated or treated them badly because their parents are scared of falling out with the rest of the family and the boys in these sorts of marriages tend to think they can get away with more because they know the chance of their wife asking for a divorce is lower (and if she’s from ‘back home’ she’ll be relying on him and his family). Girls who are in these types of marriages tend to be less likely to work, are more likely to have to live long-term with their inlaws etc and as a result of this I’d have thought they have less power and independence..
**‘Pedigree dogs are suffering from genetic diseases following years of inbreeding, **an investigation has found.’
‘It says physical traits required by the Kennel Club’s breed standards, such as short faces, wrinkling, screw-tails and dwarfism, have inherent health problems.’
Source: BBC NEWS | UK | Pedigree dogs plagued by disease
BBC - Press Office - Pedigree Dogs Exposed
Inbreeding in dogs creates more problems than it solves, to suggest it’s a positive thing with just the odd negative here or there just isn’t right.. Sounds crass but it isn’t all that different to the situation going on in many desi families imo, altho for different reasons obviously..
^good points! I saw the part about cousin marriages increasing a woman's independence as well, and I didnt think that was entirely accurate either, although I guess I saw that section as being possible benefits in some people's eyes for these type of marriages.
But couldn't it work both ways? Agreed, I've seen wayyyy more instances of how marrying a cousin can screw up an entire family, but I could also see how in some cases, the guy might be more hesitant to mistreat the wife knowing a whole clan would get involved and the girl might be more patient with the guy knowing she has more at risk if this marriage goes down the drain.
not necessarily...the example thats coming to my mind relates to specific groups e.g. within Memons or Punjabis where marrying outside that group of particular ethnicity from a particular city is taboo. In that case, you might not be marrying a direct cousin, but lets say all Jetpur Memons marry only other Memons who also came from Jetpur. The probability of you carrying the same genes or similar traits are much higher. But in general, I see your point...my main point was that disease is not the major risk here because most people wouldnt carry these rare, dangerous hereditary diseases....but infertility is an almost immediate and absolute risk.
I'm a Punjabi, (originally) "from a particular city" in Punjab, and this is the first time I am hearing of this taboo. Please elaborate.